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    Posted: March 25 2008 at 08:51
Originally posted by Certif1ed Certif1ed wrote:

^I'm not a physicist, but I believe that the reason for the flat sonic range is that CD audio is compressed (with an audio compressor, rather than a file compressor!) so that it sounds pretty much the same no matter what you play it on - so a cheap Taiwan CD player produces a freq range that will keep the kids happy.

Actually CD audio has a much higher theoretical dynamic range than vinyl. If a recording is compressed then it's the decision of the person who did the mixdown/mastering, and not a technical limitation of the format.
 
Most audio these days is heavily (over) compressed to the point that it noticeably "pumps" - this is an artificial way of bringing an exciting sound to tedious music, and is done during the CD Mastering phase as well as during recording, production and mixdown.

It's simply an attempt to increase the loudness of the music ... I think that can be useful if done carefully.
 
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Granted, when you burn it to CD, you necessarily lose sound quality... but when you burn it to DVD-Audio, that's a different story.

The question is whether this difference in resolution is actually audible.

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Originally posted by Certif1ed Certif1ed wrote:

 
Granted, when you burn it to CD, you necessarily lose sound quality... but when you burn it to DVD-Audio, that's a different story.


Wow, copying a vinyl to DVD-A,  I never thought of that.  You are in severe danger of making vinyl nut's heads explode. Clap
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is the quality really that good that it's worth doing all that?
if it is then... cool!!!
but, what about the whole ritual of taking off the vinyl, holding this whole piece in you hands oh so shiny, putting it on, after the nessecary cleaning, listening to the first scratches and looking at the gatefold, reading the very last credits line etc?
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^I'm not a physicist, but I believe that the reason for the flat sonic range is that CD audio is compressed (with an audio compressor, rather than a file compressor!) so that it sounds pretty much the same no matter what you play it on - so a cheap Taiwan CD player produces a freq range that will keep the kids happy.
 
Most audio these days is heavily (over) compressed to the point that it noticeably "pumps" - this is an artificial way of bringing an exciting sound to tedious music, and is done during the CD Mastering phase as well as during recording, production and mixdown.
 
 
Back O/T, I've been using a Project III USB Turntable - the purists may balk slightly, as it has a built-in pre-amp - but I quite like the crispness it brings to the top end without amplfying pops and crackles.
 
Fed direct to the PC (ie, no other amplifier colourations) via USB, the sound is pretty close to the vinyl original when recorded @ 192Khz/24-bit.
 
To do this, I'm using Sony ACID Express (a FREE program), since Audacity doesn't seem to record at this rate (at least, the version I currently have doesn't). I don't bother eliminating pops and clicks - they're there on the vinyl I own, if I really wanted to lose them, I'd buy another, better conditioned copy of the vinyl.
 
If I was feeling like a purist, I could level off the very top and bottom end of the EQ (no vinyl stores freqs above ~18khz or below ~50hz, TTBOMK, but somehow freqs in those ranges emerge in digital recordings like a kind of audibly undetectable noise) - but again, since I'm merely making a copy I can play without wearing out my precious plastic, the almost unnoticeable colouration can be lived with.
 
Granted, when you burn it to CD, you necessarily lose sound quality... but when you burn it to DVD-Audio, that's a different story.
 
There's nothing like owning the original, first pressing run vinyl, especially of classics from the late 1960s to early 1970s, when the sound was best - but 24-bit digital audio doesn't miss much Wink
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Originally posted by Slartibartfast Slartibartfast wrote:

If you can run an audio line out of your amp to your computer, there's a program called Audio Cleaning Lab, that will clean up the scratches, etc. and you can then make a CD from it with the basic version.  Then you can make MP3's from that.  That's your cheapest option that I can recommend.  No new turntable required.
 
I've CD'd several of my LP's that weren't and still aren't available on CD yet.  Later when I got a digital music player.  I made digital music files from those CDs.
 
If you want to go direct to MP3 format you have to purchase a more expensive upgrade version. 
 
 
i have used this program many times, it's great - i even used it to make mp3's to send up to  PA, check out  the " If " tracks!
 
one interesting thing i found the graphic display very revealing - the vinyl tracks i recorded showed the sonic range almost off the scale, but the CD ones looked flat and narrow - like i always say, vinyl is best! Wink
 
 


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I've been a bit wary of converting from vinyl ever since my friend's Dad spent hours doing his records and found upon listening to them that they sped up very gradually...has this been a problem for anyone else?
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Originally posted by Slartibartfast Slartibartfast wrote:

Originally posted by Dick Heath Dick Heath wrote:

 
As materials engineer by training and profession, I have to say joining the words 'vinyl' and 'purist' is a contradiction - that vinyl is far from pure.  Said it before there are far better polymers for the manufacture of LPs: we seem to be stuck with the technology originally used to make 78s in the Edwardian period using  materials which date from the mid 50's.


That (the impurities in the vinyl) must explain why some LPs look really interesting under a blacklight?

No dude...it is just the brown acid. LOL
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Originally posted by Dick Heath Dick Heath wrote:

 
As materials engineer by training and profession, I have to say joining the words 'vinyl' and 'purist' is a contradiction - that vinyl is far from pure.  Said it before there are far better polymers for the manufacture of LPs: we seem to be stuck with the technology originally used to make 78s in the Edwardian period using  materials which date from the mid 50's.


That (the impurities in the vinyl) must explain why some LPs look really interesting under a blacklight?
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Originally posted by Slartibartfast Slartibartfast wrote:

On another side note, I just saw on public TV a guy who takes vinyl LPs and makes bowls out of them. LOL

Kind of like this, but his are more ziggurat shaped.


This has got to be some kind of blasphemy for you vinyl purists.
 
As materials engineer by training and profession, I have to say joining the words 'vinyl' and 'purist' is a contradiction - that vinyl is far from pure.  Said it before there are far better polymers for the manufacture of LPs: we seem to be stuck with the technology originally used to make 78s in the Edwardian period using  materials which date from the mid 50's.
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Originally posted by ironpagan67 ironpagan67 wrote:

Originally posted by everyone everyone wrote:

Originally posted by MikeEnRegalia MikeEnRegalia wrote:

^ I'm merely stating facts. You're free to see it your way, I just know that tubes degrade and that in any hi-fi amplifier the amplification is used to drive the speakers, and not for the line outputs.Wink

Being that you know completely nothing about my set-up, keep your trap shut.
 
It's kinda funny sometimes when a thread veers off track from what the topic is about.  Which is no big deal to me.  I learn about some new programs or ways of doing things when that happens. And I thank everyone for that.  That's  what is so great about PA.
 
But it is rather irritating when someone leaves a comment, or an idea or even something that is fact and someone else makes an ignorant remark in reply (see above^^). 
 
When I started to make this thread, I was originally  going to do it as a poll.  Begining to think I shoud have.Confused

That is the reason that it took me a couple of days to reply.   I did not want to stray away from the original  thread either but....  I am not going to explain anything to that child.
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On another side note, I just saw on public TV a guy who takes vinyl LPs and makes bowls out of them. LOL

Kind of like this, but his are more ziggurat shaped.


This has got to be some kind of blasphemy for you vinyl purists.


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Originally posted by everyone everyone wrote:

Originally posted by MikeEnRegalia MikeEnRegalia wrote:

^ I'm merely stating facts. You're free to see it your way, I just know that tubes degrade and that in any hi-fi amplifier the amplification is used to drive the speakers, and not for the line outputs.Wink

Being that you know completely nothing about my set-up, keep your trap shut.


Well, let me know if you've invented a completely new kind of tube and amp wiring.Wink
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Originally posted by ironpagan67 ironpagan67 wrote:

Originally posted by khammer99 khammer99 wrote:

Originally posted by ironpagan67 ironpagan67 wrote:

Originally posted by ClassicRocker ClassicRocker wrote:

Originally posted by khammer99 khammer99 wrote:

 I am going to be all over this! I may have only a hundred or so albums but I would like to be able to take them anywhere I go. Another reason for me to do this, is my mother used to work at RCA, and we have hundreds of albums from the 50 to early 60s, many unopened, that I would love to make portable. My dad also used to own a delivery service that delivered albums to the local record stores, so he would "grab" the latest and bring them home.

AHHH! The collector in me says don't open those!!!
 
 
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 And I agree with both of you. Smile Fortunately, they would bring a couple of copies home, and open one, and leave the other unopened. Of course, in our youth, my sister and I used to play frisbee with some of them.Cry
 
OUCH  Ouch             Valuable lesson learned there  LOL

Cry Over here too. It's painful just thinking about vinyls being abused like that... Where was P.E.T.V. when you needed em? LOL
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I have converted a few of my LPs to digital format only because the cd was both out of print and unreasonably expensive. However, it was only a few, it took a while and I don't see the need to do it to 3,000 other albums some of which I  already have a CD copy of.
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Originally posted by everyone everyone wrote:

Originally posted by MikeEnRegalia MikeEnRegalia wrote:

^ I'm merely stating facts. You're free to see it your way, I just know that tubes degrade and that in any hi-fi amplifier the amplification is used to drive the speakers, and not for the line outputs.Wink

Being that you know completely nothing about my set-up, keep your trap shut.
 
It's kinda funny sometimes when a thread veers off track from what the topic is about.  Which is no big deal to me.  I learn about some new programs or ways of doing things when that happens. And I thank everyone for that.  That's  what is so great about PA.
 
But it is rather irritating when someone leaves a comment, or an idea or even something that is fact and someone else makes an ignorant remark in reply (see above^^). 
 
When I started to make this thread, I was originally  going to do it as a poll.  Begining to think I shoud have.Confused
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Originally posted by khammer99 khammer99 wrote:

Originally posted by ironpagan67 ironpagan67 wrote:

Originally posted by ClassicRocker ClassicRocker wrote:

Originally posted by khammer99 khammer99 wrote:

 I am going to be all over this! I may have only a hundred or so albums but I would like to be able to take them anywhere I go. Another reason for me to do this, is my mother used to work at RCA, and we have hundreds of albums from the 50 to early 60s, many unopened, that I would love to make portable. My dad also used to own a delivery service that delivered albums to the local record stores, so he would "grab" the latest and bring them home.

AHHH! The collector in me says don't open those!!!
 
 
I agree with you rocker!  Clap


 And I agree with both of you. Smile Fortunately, they would bring a couple of copies home, and open one, and leave the other unopened. Of course, in our youth, my sister and I used to play frisbee with some of them.Cry
 
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Originally posted by ironpagan67 ironpagan67 wrote:

Originally posted by ClassicRocker ClassicRocker wrote:

Originally posted by khammer99 khammer99 wrote:

 I am going to be all over this! I may have only a hundred or so albums but I would like to be able to take them anywhere I go. Another reason for me to do this, is my mother used to work at RCA, and we have hundreds of albums from the 50 to early 60s, many unopened, that I would love to make portable. My dad also used to own a delivery service that delivered albums to the local record stores, so he would "grab" the latest and bring them home.

AHHH! The collector in me says don't open those!!!
 
 
I agree with you rocker!  Clap


 And I agree with both of you. Smile Fortunately, they would bring a couple of copies home, and open one, and leave the other unopened. Of course, in our youth, my sister and I used to play frisbee with some of them.Cry
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Originally posted by MikeEnRegalia MikeEnRegalia wrote:

^ I'm merely stating facts. You're free to see it your way, I just know that tubes degrade and that in any hi-fi amplifier the amplification is used to drive the speakers, and not for the line outputs.Wink

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I recently made my first couple of file transfers using Audacity, and I can now say it was worth it. The software came with my turntable, but I started out by converting some cassettes (that my dad had converted from vinyl) to the computer. In a nutshell: great results! Thumbs%20Up
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