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debrewguy 
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Posted: January 09 2009 at 21:09 |
5.1 will be the next quadraphonic. Now where did I put that Quad Mix of BTO's Not Fragile ? 
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"Here I am talking to some of the smartest people in the world and I didn't even notice,” Lieutenant Columbo, episode The Bye-Bye Sky-High I.Q. Murder Case.
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Posted: January 09 2009 at 05:44 |
Sorry to pick this up again, but I was looking for some glimmer of news regarding a KC boxset for their 40th Aniversary (no such thing planned for now, it appears), and came across this entry on Frippy's diary:
At Wilson World HQ…
… we are listening to Steven’s surround-sound mix of Lizard.
For the first time I have heard the Music in the music, throughout the album, this including even the sessions at Wessex Studio sessions (the second half of 1970). The music is now audible, redeemed by Steven’s love of the album & the quality of his mixing.
Lizard is not an album that fits into stereo, and 5.1 provides the space, dimensionality & air needed.
Lizard has contributions & the participation of two people who continue to hold & articulate a high level of angst & personal animosity towards myself, now for almost four decades. The Lizard sessions marked the sudden decline in my relationships with both Peter Sinfield & Gordon Haskell. The continuing unpleasantness, plus my dissatisfaction with the final mix & production, has spoiled my relationship with the album & the many good ideas struggling (and before) mostly failing to be heard.
As of today, and for the first time, I can hear & enjoy the album & the music. The rest of it is superfluous. Peter & Gordon both have deserved success in their professional lives & have taken advantage of their access to media, online & hard copy, to present their own feelings & state their cases. So, hopefully, a happy ending is now available.
At Wilson World HQ we were intending to listen to Steven’s 5.1 mix of Red as well, but after 2.5 hours of the intensity & information level of Lizard, my brain moved to pickled in extremis & I left, dribbling, for DGM HQ. A straightforward journeying to DGM HQ, arriving at the end of the afternoon.
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Bigger on the inside.
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Anguiad
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Posted: February 15 2008 at 14:59 |
I'm recently starting my KC collection, having so far the first two albums. These Fripp reissues are fine by me but should I wait for the SW reissues?? I don't have the whole home theater set so I guess I would not enjoy it as it is supposed to be...it is not too late to buy it though. 
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"Tis your birth and faith that wrong you...not I."
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Posted: February 05 2008 at 15:05 |
Peter wrote:
Anyway, you just haven't really lived until you've heard a Whole Lotta Love 45 played at 33 &1/3. 
I had a (weird) friend who always listened to it that way. I think he owned it for some time before he realised his mistake. By then, however, it was too late for him. 
You picky "correct speed, please" type purists might sneer, but it actually works -- Page's guitar gets REALLY heavy, and Plant's high voice comes out sounding like that of an eight foot tall, five hundred pound, one-eyed black blues singer on 'ludes. (Plus, a cool song lasts longer!) 
Alcohol helps heighten the effect....
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That sounds like my story regarding Rush's 2112, which I heard on 45 instead of 33 1/3 the first time I heard it. And people thought Geddy's voice was high normally.
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Posted: February 05 2008 at 14:47 |
Peter wrote:
Anyway, you just haven't really lived until you've heard a Whole Lotta Love 45 played at 33 &1/3.
I had a (weird) friend who always listened to it that way. I think he owned it for some time before he realised his mistake. By then, however, it was too late for him.
You picky "correct speed, please" type purists might sneer, but it actually works -- Page's guitar gets REALLY heavy, and Plant's high voice comes out sounding like that of an eight foot tall, five hundred pound, one-eyed black blues singer on 'ludes. (Plus, a cool song lasts longer!)
Alcohol helps heighten the effect....
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Maybe I should try to play The Beatles` "You Know My Name (Look Up the Number)" song (originally released as the B- side of the "Let It Be" single) in 33 1/3 R.P.M. or even in 78 R.P.M. !
Edited by Guillermo - February 05 2008 at 14:48
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Avatar: Photo of Solar Eclipse, Mexico City, July 1991. A great experience to see. Maybe once in a lifetime.
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Peter
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Posted: February 04 2008 at 21:49 |
Anyway, you just haven't really lived until you've heard a Whole Lotta Love 45 played at 33 &1/3.
I had a (weird) friend who always listened to it that way. I think he owned it for some time before he realised his mistake. By then, however, it was too late for him.
You picky "correct speed, please" type purists might sneer, but it actually works -- Page's guitar gets REALLY heavy, and Plant's high voice comes out sounding like that of an eight foot tall, five hundred pound, one-eyed black blues singer on 'ludes. (Plus, a cool song lasts longer!)
Alcohol helps heighten the effect....
Edited by Peter - February 04 2008 at 21:56
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"And, has thou slain the Jabberwock?
Come to my arms, my beamish boy!
O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay!'
He chortled in his joy.
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Posted: February 04 2008 at 21:38 |
Slartibartfast wrote:
Vibrationbaby wrote:
mono 16 ¼ RPM. |
Well, if you're going primitive... wait a second, is there really mono 16 ¼ RPM? Guess I'm not as old as I thought I was....
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 Never mind that! I'm more concerned about how his Dad gave him MONO! 
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"And, has thou slain the Jabberwock?
Come to my arms, my beamish boy!
O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay!'
He chortled in his joy.
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Guillermo
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Posted: February 04 2008 at 19:15 |
I know that Fripp released re-mixed and remastered versions of Crimson`s albums some years ago, and some of them doesn`t sound as good as the original mixings.
The bad news could be that Fripp is thinking to replace all lead vocals from Crimson`s previous singers asking Adrian Belew to re-record all of them! (Sorry, I don`t like Belew`s involvement with Crimson).
Fripp is needing more money for his planned retirement in some years! (I call him "Mr. Marketing").
About 16 R.P.M. records: yes. They existed for a time. My late father had (now I have them but I can`t play them anymore) two of them, both in Stereo from the VOX Records label, with works of Tchaikovsky and others. I remember that one side of one record lasts about 48minutes. Their existence in the market was for a limited time in the 60s, I think.
Edited by Guillermo - February 04 2008 at 19:23
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Avatar: Photo of Solar Eclipse, Mexico City, July 1991. A great experience to see. Maybe once in a lifetime.
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Posted: February 04 2008 at 18:35 |
I do have to say that Porcupine Tree did the best deal any band could ever do.. "Stupid Dream" contains the album as well as the DVD-A 5.1 mix.. All for the price of a single album.
Best of two worlds there.
God bless Mr Wilson, but please dont screw about with the Crims please
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The Cheerful Insanity of Prog Rock
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Slartibartfast
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Posted: February 04 2008 at 17:29 |
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Well, if you are going to stick yourself in a particular decade, you could do worse than the '70's...
LP tech was at it's height. Can't say anything positive about the 8 track (ok the sound quality was superior to cassette a little). Cassettes were decent while they lasted...
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Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened... 
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Posted: February 04 2008 at 16:28 |
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Try this : Cylyndrical wax . No that was a freakin sound system !
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Posted: February 04 2008 at 16:24 |
Vibrationbaby wrote:
mono 16 ¼ RPM.
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Well, if you're going primitive... wait a second, is there really mono 16 ¼ RPM? Guess I'm not as old as I thought I was....
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Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened...
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Posted: February 04 2008 at 16:06 |
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never heard a 5.1 album. is it worth it to buy it?
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Vibrationbaby
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Posted: February 04 2008 at 15:37 |
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I`ve actually got some somewhere passed down from my Dad. But I`m more into mono 16 ¼ RPM.
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Slartibartfast
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Posted: February 04 2008 at 15:30 |
Vibrationbaby wrote:
The freakin`demonstration system they had on the floor was on the bloody blink if youcan believe that ! The way to the future is on the blink ! I went to the store on St. Catherine st. right across from St. James Church. It`s the biggest bloody electronics store in downtown freakin Montréal and their 5.1 system doesn`t work!. I didn`t have time to go the alternative store but I`ll give it a whirl tomorrow. |
So mono 78 RPM ain't good enough for you eh? 
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Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened...
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Posted: February 04 2008 at 10:26 |
I read recently that SW was going to have the reissue of Lightbulb Sun done in April and Recordings later in the year. If this KC thing delays that, I will be chapped.  . Not a big KC fan.
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Biggles was in rehab last Saturday
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Posted: February 03 2008 at 17:19 |
Tony R wrote:
Hello my old Canuck Technophobe pal. 
The jury is still out as to whether listening to a music CD in surround sound - 2/3 speakers behind the listener, two forward left and right, a centre speaker mainly for vocals or dialogue and a subwoofer for the bass - is a realistic way to listen to music as technically it places you on stage with the performer.
However gimmicky it seems, it does tend to add to the listening experience, in my humble opinion, just as listening to a movie in surround sound adds to the sensory experience.
Fear Of A Blank Planet by Porcupine Tree works extremely well in DTS 5.1 surround and Steve Wilson is quite the master of this medium.
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I agree. SW is the master at this format.The beauty of it is that if you only want a stereo sound -turn the surround off! Biggest problem I have with FOABP is that I bought the DvdA version. Great that I got the Nil recurring included etc , but it can ONLY be played on the dvd player.Should have kept my cd version.Doh!
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"There is a lot in this world to be tense and intense about"
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Tony R
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Posted: February 03 2008 at 09:51 |
Hello my old Canuck Technophobe pal. The jury is still out as to whether listening to a music CD in surround sound - 2/3 speakers behind the listener, two forward left and right, a centre speaker mainly for vocals or dialogue and a subwoofer for the bass - is a realistic way to listen to music as technically it places you on stage with the performer. However gimmicky it seems, it does tend to add to the listening experience, in my humble opinion, just as listening to a movie in surround sound adds to the sensory experience. Fear Of A Blank Planet by Porcupine Tree works extremely well in DTS 5.1 surround and Steve Wilson is quite the master of this medium.
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Posted: February 02 2008 at 16:23 |
Yep. Total waste of time yet again re-mastering and 5.1. Just stick to the original sound of it all.
Take it from a man who knows.
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The Cheerful Insanity of Prog Rock
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Posted: February 02 2008 at 14:47 |
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The freakin`demonstration system they had on the floor was on the bloody blink if youcan believe that ! The way to the future is on the blink ! I went to the store on St. Catherine st. right across from St. James Church. It`s the biggest bloody electronics store in downtown freakin Montréal and their 5.1 system doesn`t work!. I didn`t have time to go the alternative store but I`ll give it a whirl tomorrow.
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