King Crimson Album Remixes by Steve Wilson
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Topic: King Crimson Album Remixes by Steve Wilson
Posted By: Tony R
Subject: King Crimson Album Remixes by Steve Wilson
Date Posted: January 30 2008 at 11:52
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According to Ken Richardson in his http://bitstream.soundandvisionmag.com/blog/ken_richardson/index.html - "Bitstream" blog on Sound and Vision Online Andy Leff (PT mgr) also tells me that he's now handling http://www.king-crimson.com/ - King Crimson and "working on getting the entire catalog reissued in 5.1," hopefully with mixes done by . . . Steven Wilson! Currently, Leff and Wilson are "waiting on Robert Fripp [who guested on PT's Fear of a Blank Planet and Nil Recurring] to hear Steven's work on some of the older KC stuff before he gives us the green light to proceed." Just imagine the likes of Larks' Tongues in Aspic (above right), Red, and Discipline in surround. Oh, baby. —Ken Richardson Exciting news. |
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Posted By: Easy Livin
Date Posted: January 30 2008 at 11:56
| Interesting news. The market for 5.1 remixes has yet to be proven I think. This may be a good test for the viability of it. |
Posted By: stonebeard
Date Posted: January 30 2008 at 15:07
KC just had a bunch of remasteres and reissues too....
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Posted By: proggy
Date Posted: January 30 2008 at 15:10
Hey Fripp, How about a follow - up to the fantastic "The Power to Believe?" I don't need to buy a King Crimson album 3 times .......
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Posted By: Vibrationbaby
Date Posted: January 30 2008 at 15:53
What if Bob just says, "sorry", and walks out the door whle the meter on the cab is still running. WHY ? WHY ? WHY ? WHY ? can`t things which are pure and sacred just remain unmolested by technology`s meddling hands ? 
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Posted By: Man With Hat
Date Posted: January 30 2008 at 16:49
Exactly.
I really don't see the point. ------------- Dig me...But don't...Bury me I'm running still, I shall until, one day, I hope that I'll arrive Warning: Listening to jazz excessively can cause a laxative effect. |
stonebeard wrote:Posted By: KeleCableII
Date Posted: January 30 2008 at 19:17
| I hate it when bands do this, haha. I'm glad I never bought any Genesis CDs before the box sets came out. I'd really like box sets from every band like Genesis... remixed audio, surround mixes and video footage of concerts and interviews, etc. |
Posted By: darkshade
Date Posted: January 30 2008 at 19:32
here here!!! Tony Levin back on bass and everything i think it's supposed to come out this year, since i hear they're going into the studio this summer, supposedly. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/MysticBoogy" rel="nofollow - My Last.fm 
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Posted By: rileydog22
Date Posted: January 30 2008 at 19:39
You know, you can just not buy it. It remains pure and sacred for you, but those who dig surround can enjoy ITCOTCK in 5.1. -------------   |
Posted By: rileydog22
Date Posted: January 30 2008 at 19:41
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Re: KC this year: Tony Levin just posted this on the 24th on his blog: "And King Crimson is lumbering toward some musical action. First rehearsals will be in a few months, and I'm hoping it will lead to a lot of music together this year." So it's looking good for KC 2008. From Fripp's DGMLive.com we have already gathered that the band will be a five-piece of Fripp, Levin, Belew, Mastellotto, and that drummer from PT. It looks like no tour till 2009, and that touring will be quite limited and strictly within the US. ------------- |
Posted By: Peter
Date Posted: January 30 2008 at 19:55
If I knew what the heck "5.1" was, I suppose that could be interesting news.
For me though, the truly "exciting news" is that my ol' long-absent pal Tony has just resurfaced to post here!
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Posted By: Atkingani
Date Posted: January 30 2008 at 20:34
I'm a 5.1 guy! ------------- Guigo ~~~~~~ |
Posted By: ClassicRocker
Date Posted: January 30 2008 at 21:16
YESSSSS! ------------- 
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Posted By: SFranke
Date Posted: January 30 2008 at 21:20
I could do without these re-releases if they come to pass. I enjoy the current versions, and there's still way too much stuff I haven't heard to start buying albums I already have. |
Posted By: Peter
Date Posted: January 30 2008 at 23:21
 Gee, l'il Guigo, that's short! (I'm almost 6' 3" myself.)
Are you a Yanomamo?
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Posted By: Peter
Date Posted: January 30 2008 at 23:22
 Oh wait -- you probably meant inches....
------------- "And, has thou slain the Jabberwock? Come to my arms, my beamish boy! O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay!' He chortled in his joy. |
Posted By: Peter
Date Posted: January 31 2008 at 02:23
Thanks for that explanation, SF!
 I'm inclined to agree re not replacing CDs you already have with remastered versions (I don't & won't do it), but I never did replace my old vinyl copy of LTIA with a CD, and intend to one day. I wonder: will a 5.1 CD still sound better on a conventional, 2 - 3 speaker stereo? ------------- "And, has thou slain the Jabberwock? Come to my arms, my beamish boy! O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay!' He chortled in his joy. |
Posted By: Atkingani
Date Posted: January 31 2008 at 04:21
I meant years of age in a new system where you divide everything per 10... ------------- Guigo ~~~~~~ |
Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: January 31 2008 at 06:59
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I wouldn't mind hearing the 5.1 mixes but I suspect you can only really enjoy them on home theater system. I'd rather just hear them once or twice than actually buy them. I already have remasters of all the classic KC albums and my music budget and space to keep everything is not unlimited.
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Posted By: SignalToNoise
Date Posted: January 31 2008 at 10:56
Strictly in the U.S.?  ------------- I am Swiss, so don't kill me for this! 7yuc**paranoid android http://www.last.fm/user/SignalTonoise"> 
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Posted By: Vibrationbaby
Date Posted: January 31 2008 at 11:12
As for this 5.1 sound those of us lived through the seventies will remember what happened to Quad. ( insert sound effect of toilet flushing here ). I had a friend who`s dad was a classical music conniossuer and he had a quad system. These quad systems were developed to give a wider sound to orchestral recordings but didn`t really have any signifigant improvement on the sound reproduction for any style of musicas far as I saw it. Like a moron I went out and bought a few quad rock albums, Tubular Bells was one and Omega`s 200 years After The Last War was another If I remember correctlly ( they`re still in my collection somewhere ). It was a real letdown believe me. And this guy`s father even had an expensive turntable and top of the line Harmen Carden speakers. New technology doesn`t change the essence of music it just manipulates it and presents it in a different way so you can say " 5.1 man ! Cool ! state of the art man ! 21st century freak out ! " when in effect it`s just a case of the emperor`s new clothes. If Crimson wants to engineer their new album in 5.1 then that`s fine after all this is the 21st century. I don`t expect Bob to commit commercial suicide and say : " Next King Crimson album recorded in glorious anologue ! Back to basics ! " ( although I`d definitely go for it ). But don`t mess with the old stuff. What if the curator of the L`Ouvre decided that the Mona Lisa needed makeover because she looks too outdated. Got to bring the old owl up to speed. The younger people who weren`t alive when brilliant albums like Red or Lark`s Tongues are not going to know the real greatness of this music. When will the madness end ? ------------- |
Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: January 31 2008 at 18:57
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I remember quad. I didn't have much to do with it before it died off. Funny how it sort of reincarnated itself as home theater surround sound.
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Posted By: Vibrationbaby
Date Posted: February 01 2008 at 10:35
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I just pulled out a few of my quad albums and now I remember that my Mike Oldfield Tubular Bells " Quad" album isn`t really a "quad " album at all. It was one of the first 4000 or so simulated quad pressings. The record company was in such a rush to get TB out in quad that they did a rush job. Then they released bona fide quad albums but with the same catologue number so you couldn`t tell whether or not you had a simulation or the real thing until you played it through actual quad playback equipment. At the time I remember my friend`s father remarking that it wasn`t a very good quad record and he blamed it on the fact that it was rock music ! I didn`t find this out until years later which immediately explained my friend`s father`s reaction.
People are going to have to start building rec rooms the size of movie theatres to accomodate all this new entertainment equipment. As I said, it`s out of control. I have a friend who Can`t understand how I can still listen to albums on a turntable. He actually thinks I`ve got some screws loose. I`m going to Future Shop this weekend to check out this 5.1 thing just to confirm my suspicions. ------------- |
Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: February 01 2008 at 14:40
Hey, just because you still listen to albums on a turntable, doesn't mean you don't also have some screws loose.  I'm waiting for the portable 5.1 surround head set or something. On a more serious note, I've now got 5.1 mixes of PT's Deadwing and Stupid Dream, NIN's With Teeth, and the first few Talking Heads. Honestly, after having heard them once, I don't find anything that really compels me to pull them out. Might be my wife's fault for getting upset if I crank up the home theater system too loud.  ------------- Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened...
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Posted By: Vibrationbaby
Date Posted: February 01 2008 at 15:36
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This 5.1 thing, I guess it requires a specialized playback system then. ------------- |
Posted By: el böthy
Date Posted: February 01 2008 at 22:37
Yes! Buy an album 3 times shame on me... buy it 4... mmm... 5.1 you said? ------------- "You want me to play what, Robert?" 
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Posted By: Easy Livin
Date Posted: February 02 2008 at 04:00
Most home cinema systems will support it OK
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Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: February 02 2008 at 06:34
Are you saying that if 5.1 versions of any given Crimson album are released, that will be the end of it? ------------- Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened...
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Posted By: Vibrationbaby
Date Posted: February 02 2008 at 10:25
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Posted By: Vibrationbaby
Date Posted: February 02 2008 at 14:47
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The freakin`demonstration system they had on the floor was on the bloody blink if youcan believe that ! The way to the future is on the blink ! I went to the store on St. Catherine st. right across from St. James Church. It`s the biggest bloody electronics store in downtown freakin Montréal and their 5.1 system doesn`t work!. I didn`t have time to go the alternative store but I`ll give it a whirl tomorrow. ------------- |
Posted By: Frippertron
Date Posted: February 02 2008 at 16:23
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Yep. Total waste of time yet again re-mastering and 5.1. Just stick to the original sound of it all. Take it from a man who knows.
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Posted By: Tony R
Date Posted: February 03 2008 at 09:51
Hello my old Canuck Technophobe pal. The jury is still out as to whether listening to a music CD in surround sound - 2/3 speakers behind the listener, two forward left and right, a centre speaker mainly for vocals or dialogue and a subwoofer for the bass - is a realistic way to listen to music as technically it places you on stage with the performer. However gimmicky it seems, it does tend to add to the listening experience, in my humble opinion, just as listening to a movie in surround sound adds to the sensory experience. Fear Of A Blank Planet by Porcupine Tree works extremely well in DTS 5.1 surround and Steve Wilson is quite the master of this medium. |
Posted By: CryoftheCarrots
Date Posted: February 03 2008 at 17:19
I agree. SW is the master at this format.The beauty of it is that if you only want a stereo sound -turn the surround off! Biggest problem I have with FOABP is that I bought the DvdA version. Great that I got the Nil recurring included etc , but it can ONLY be played on the dvd player.Should have kept my cd version.Doh! ------------- "There is a lot in this world to be tense and intense about" MJK |
Posted By: johnobvious
Date Posted: February 04 2008 at 10:26
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I read recently that SW was going to have the reissue of Lightbulb Sun done in April and Recordings later in the year. If this KC thing delays that, I will be chapped.. Not a big KC fan.
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Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: February 04 2008 at 15:30
So mono 78 RPM ain't good enough for you eh?  ------------- Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened...
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Posted By: Vibrationbaby
Date Posted: February 04 2008 at 15:37
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I`ve actually got some somewhere passed down from my Dad. But I`m more into mono 16 ¼ RPM.
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Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: February 04 2008 at 16:06
| never heard a 5.1 album. is it worth it to buy it? |
Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: February 04 2008 at 16:24
Well, if you're going primitive... wait a second, is there really mono 16 ¼ RPM? Guess I'm not as old as I thought I was.... ------------- Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened...
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Posted By: Vibrationbaby
Date Posted: February 04 2008 at 16:28
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Try this : Cylyndrical wax . No that was a freakin sound system !
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Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: February 04 2008 at 17:29
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Well, if you are going to stick yourself in a particular decade, you could do worse than the '70's... LP tech was at it's height. Can't say anything positive about the 8 track (ok the sound quality was superior to cassette a little). Cassettes were decent while they lasted... ------------- Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened...
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Posted By: Frippertron
Date Posted: February 04 2008 at 18:35
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I do have to say that Porcupine Tree did the best deal any band could ever do.. "Stupid Dream" contains the album as well as the DVD-A 5.1 mix.. All for the price of a single album. Best of two worlds there.
God bless Mr Wilson, but please dont screw about with the Crims please ------------- The Cheerful Insanity of Prog Rock |
Posted By: Guillermo
Date Posted: February 04 2008 at 19:15
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I know that Fripp released re-mixed and remastered versions of Crimson`s albums some years ago, and some of them doesn`t sound as good as the original mixings.
The bad news could be that Fripp is thinking to replace all lead vocals from Crimson`s previous singers asking Adrian Belew to re-record all of them!
(Sorry, I don`t like Belew`s involvement with Crimson).Fripp is needing more money for his planned retirement in some years!
(I call him "Mr. Marketing").About 16 R.P.M. records: yes. They existed for a time. My late father had (now I have them but I can`t play them anymore) two of them, both in Stereo from the VOX Records label, with works of Tchaikovsky and others. I remember that one side of one record lasts about 48minutes. Their existence in the market was for a limited time in the 60s, I think. ------------- Avatar: Photo of Solar Eclipse, Mexico City, July 1991. A great experience to see. Maybe once in a lifetime. |
Posted By: Peter
Date Posted: February 04 2008 at 21:38
Never mind that! I'm more concerned about how his Dad gave him MONO!  !------------- "And, has thou slain the Jabberwock? Come to my arms, my beamish boy! O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay!' He chortled in his joy. |
Posted By: Peter
Date Posted: February 04 2008 at 21:49
Anyway, you just haven't really lived until you've heard a Whole Lotta Love 45 played at 33 &1/3. 
I had a (weird) friend who always listened to it that way. I think he owned it for some time before he realised his mistake. By then, however, it was too late for him.
 You picky "correct speed, please" type purists might sneer, but it actually works -- Page's guitar gets REALLY heavy, and Plant's high voice comes out sounding like that of an eight foot tall, five hundred pound, one-eyed black blues singer on 'ludes. (Plus, a cool song lasts longer!)
 Alcohol helps heighten the effect....
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Posted By: Guillermo
Date Posted: February 05 2008 at 14:47
Maybe I should try to play The Beatles` "You Know My Name (Look Up the Number)" song (originally released as the B- side of the "Let It Be" single) in 33 1/3 R.P.M. or even in 78 R.P.M. ! ------------- Avatar: Photo of Solar Eclipse, Mexico City, July 1991. A great experience to see. Maybe once in a lifetime. |
Posted By: rushfan4
Date Posted: February 05 2008 at 15:05
That sounds like my story regarding Rush's 2112, which I heard on 45 instead of 33 1/3 the first time I heard it. And people thought Geddy's voice was high normally. ------------- 
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Posted By: Anguiad
Date Posted: February 15 2008 at 14:59
I'm recently starting my KC collection, having so far the first two albums. These Fripp reissues are fine by me but should I wait for the SW reissues?? I don't have the whole home theater set so I guess I would not enjoy it as it is supposed to be...it is not too late to buy it though.  ------------- "Tis your birth and faith that wrong you...not I." |
Posted By: Kotro
Date Posted: January 09 2009 at 05:44
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Sorry to pick this up again, but I was looking for some glimmer of news regarding a KC boxset for their 40th Aniversary (no such thing planned for now, it appears), and came across this entry on Frippy's diary:
http://www.dgmlive.com/diaries.htm?entry=11921 - http://www.dgmlive.com/diaries.htm?entry=11921
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Posted By: debrewguy
Date Posted: January 09 2009 at 21:09
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5.1 will be the next quadraphonic. Now where did I put that Quad Mix of BTO's Not Fragile ?  ------------- "Here I am talking to some of the smartest people in the world and I didn't even notice,” Lieutenant Columbo, episode The Bye-Bye Sky-High I.Q. Murder Case. |