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Mandrakeroot
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Topic: Who was the first Prog Rock band? Posted: July 31 2006 at 05:01 |
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Mysterio
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Posted: June 09 2004 at 13:10 |
I think the first progressive rock was definitely Gustav Holst's
The Planets. I mean, just look at all the brass he uses. Each of the seven movements were inventive and original (and Mars is in 5/4!), and Neptune is extremely... undescribable. Everyone should keep in mind that at one point, everyone was inspired by someone else. The statement above isn't really all that truthful, because Holst was only composing in the 19th Century; he was influenced perhaps by Stravinsky, who was influenced by Prokofiev.... the list is endless. Someone out there was influenced by classical music, and a long chain of events led to ingenious things like prog rock and whatever you can call Frank Zappa, and cringe-inducing things like "numetal" and rap. -M |
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raleighgranprix
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Posted: June 04 2004 at 12:20 |
You are absolutely correct; as for Dylan, well, I don't wish to assign more importance than may be warranted, but he is starting to influence all of "rock" in that sense, a very broad influence, so where are the lines drawn?
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Certif1ed
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Posted: June 04 2004 at 09:33 |
But wouldn't you have to consider the Byrds as prog first, then - since I believe that a main driving factor in Mr Z "going electric" was the fact that they (and others) were making lots of money by electrifying his songs? Simon and Garfunkel weren't far behind Dylan with the electrification of folk music either. Maybe "8 Miles High" was not only the first identifiable work of psychedelia, but also the first identifiable work of prog? Dylan's "electro-folk" move was also influenced by the British Invasion - the Animals ("House of the Rising Sun") and, of course, the Beatles, who already had a kind of folk/rock sound, even on "Please Please Me". ...but the Beatles aren't prog... are they...? Edited by Certif1ed |
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Dick Heath
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Posted: June 04 2004 at 07:13 |
Why isn't Bob Dylan first electric album counted as progressive rock i.e. folk merged with electrified rock, (it should have met the looser demands of the 'progressive music' definition - cf Fairport Convention or Magna Carta - but oddly nobody seemed to even look in that direction because Mr Zimmerman might have been sacrosanct)?
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raleighgranprix
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Posted: June 02 2004 at 12:55 |
And as mentioned, Byrds/Dylan influence on Rubber Soul: " http://www.reversephonedirectory.com/products/?item_id=B0000 02UAO&search_type=AsinSearch&locale=us " A link, only to state what is widely accepted. Not that I would care to state these facts, it is only fair in doing so. Edited by raleighgranprix |
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CL350K4
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Posted: June 01 2004 at 20:18 |
True -- but if you want to go there, Brian Wilson said he was influenced by "Rubber Soul" in creating "Pet Sounds". |
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Ghostwriter
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Posted: May 31 2004 at 21:04 |
I haven't read all the posts. (my bad) If someone has already posted this band I apologize. I would consider the first progresive rock band. "The Pretty Things" - their LP "Emotions" laid the foundation Next would be "The Nice", "Procol Harum, or "Soft Machine". IMHO |
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raleighgranprix
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Posted: May 31 2004 at 14:51 |
From the first 2 pages, of this discussion, if Seargent Pepper's is stated; then, surprise no one mentioned this, what about the supposedly heavy influence, you have of the Beach Boys "Pet Sounds" (isn't that the name), that that release has, as stated by Sir Paul McCartney???
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CL350K4
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Posted: May 31 2004 at 11:57 |
Personally, I think the honor goes to Lt. Uhura for "Beyond Antares"... |
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ROCK GOD
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Posted: May 28 2004 at 16:31 |
it would have to be ither pink floyd or the original nirvana
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alonsin
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Posted: May 20 2004 at 15:49 |
Some of the pionners Zappa, Pink Floyd, Soft Machine, King Crimson, Le Orme, Yes, Jetro Tull, Gong... some great post.. al these have recorded some LPs pre 1970, specially Zappa.. is worth recalling that "Free Jazz" and "Fusion Jazz", in the early 60's and trough the 70's were a great influence. (coleman, coltrane, davis, wheather report...)
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Joren
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Posted: May 19 2004 at 16:29 |
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Velvetclown
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Posted: May 19 2004 at 05:25 |
Right you are Joren 1766
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Joren
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Posted: May 19 2004 at 05:19 |
You shouldn't look at the COPYRIGHT DATE. It was indeed RECORDED in 1965, but RELEASED in 1966. No-one will hear your music if you don't release it! Almost everybody mentions the releasedate instead of the recording date. Freak Out! - 1966. It says 1966 on both the official Zappa website AND the progarchives. Edited by Joren |
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moonchild
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Posted: May 18 2004 at 17:38 |
King Crimson > In the Court of the Crimson King. By the way Joren, Freak Out! has a copyright date of 1965 check your copy. |
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Joren
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Posted: May 18 2004 at 15:24 |
freak out! freak out! freak out! freak out! freak out! freak out! freak out! freak out! freak out! freak out! freak out! freak out! freak out! freak out! freak out! freak out! freak out! freak out! freak out! freak out! freak out! freak out! freak out! freak out! freak out! freak out! freak out! freak out! 1966 it's crystal clear! |
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Dick Heath
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Posted: May 18 2004 at 14:10 |
Jerry Lucky (author of the Progressive Rock Files) puts the case for the Moody Blues Days of Future Past in the Ghostland's Editorials - released 18 months or more before ITCOTCK . But as most Brits ignored it (firsthand knowledge: I worked in record store at the time and it was difficult to give the album away) when it was first released, i.e. another British band that had to find success in the US before being accepted back home. It may be the first prog album by default rather than by deliberate intent by the band - e.g. Decca records were trying to broaden the appeal of it Phase Four stereo label, by taking a has-been/underused/increasingly unsuccessful pop group (with Denny Laine the MB's had one major hit "Go Now") and marry them with its popular music orchestra. |
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Aaron
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Posted: May 18 2004 at 13:05 |
i usually just say that King Crimson's In the Court..
was the first prog album, but honestly, i dont care Aaron |
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Dick Heath
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Posted: April 26 2004 at 13:25 |
Quote: I believe David Gilmour from Pink Floyd is featured on that one. I think you're 30 years out - Mr Gilmour featured on the remake of the album by the Pretty Things done in the late 90's. Besides members of Tomorrow (Keith West and to a lesser extent Steve Howe) were working on "Teenage Opera" (which had two chart singles in the UK 1967), predating "SF Sorrow", but against that argument is the fact that the whole album then took nearly 30 years to appear. Why do so many American progressive rock fans neglect (or unaware) of their own high innovative band Touch, who recorded their eponymously titled album 1968/9 and released in 1969? And one highly academic book on progressive rock Progressive Rock Reconsidered by Kevin Holm-Hudson invests a whole chapter on United States Of America (who could be a candidate for the earliest proto-RIO band), as another candidate. Then Jefferson Airplane's "After Bathing At Baxters" is very experimental rock for the period. Edited by Dick Heath |
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