Who was the first Prog Rock band?
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Topic: Who was the first Prog Rock band?
Posted By: Dan Bobrowski
Subject: Who was the first Prog Rock band?
Date Posted: February 03 2004 at 23:39
| I'm not sure, but I think this could be a battle. |
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Posted By: Peter
Date Posted: February 03 2004 at 23:58
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I guess to answer that one, Danbo, we'd have to first narrow the field down to some choice '69 - '70 agreeably prog albums, then try to find out who got together and began composing their music first. (Hmmm... Lots of work, and we'd still never all agree.)
Or, I could take a "leap into the breach" (Damn the torpedoes!) and say: KING CRIMSON. 
Ouch! Here comes the flak!Posted By: Alexander
Date Posted: February 04 2004 at 00:31
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First Prog bands in my opinion: Pink Floyd King Crimson Soft Machine Caravan Yes Family Procol Harum The Nice
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Posted By: Jim Garten
Date Posted: February 04 2004 at 03:16
Hmmmmmm - I think it would be between Procul Harum, The Moody Blues (stop laughing at the back!  ), The Nice or Pink Floyd.
It's early in this thread, but nobody yet has mentioned Sergeant Pepper - brilliant album without doubt, but prog / proto-prog, nah! |
Posted By: PROGMAN
Date Posted: February 04 2004 at 08:07
| WELL I WOULD SAY THE BEATLES WITH THEIR SGT PEPPER ALBUM AND PINK FLOYD, MOODY BLUES, ZAPPA ETC ALL THE 60S ARTISTS ANYWAY |
Posted By: dude
Date Posted: February 04 2004 at 08:15
I AM NOT GOING TO TOUCH THIS ONE!!!....but i will watch from the sidelines !!
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Posted By: corbet
Date Posted: February 04 2004 at 08:40
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Starcastle!!
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Posted By: Gonghobbit
Date Posted: February 04 2004 at 11:19
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Alexander, I guess that would pretty much be the list to draw from...If Piper at the Gates of Dawn by Floyd qualifies that might be the first. ------------- 'This is a local shop, there's nothing for you here' |
Posted By: Alexander
Date Posted: February 04 2004 at 16:05
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I also forgot to meantion Frank Zappa! ------------- On A Dilemmia Between What I Need & What I Just Want
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Posted By: Gonghobbit
Date Posted: February 04 2004 at 21:21
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If you call Freak Out progressive rock, then that would pretty much be it, I'd think, '66 right? I wonder if they're going to undertake putting Frank on the site? That'd take some time, I'm sure...I've always thought Uncle Meat was among his best stuff. ------------- 'This is a local shop, there's nothing for you here' |
Posted By: Alexander
Date Posted: February 04 2004 at 21:51
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Yes, released in 1966. I think adding Zappa would be a good Idea, but very time consuming considering he has such a vast catolouge. ------------- On A Dilemmia Between What I Need & What I Just Want
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Gonghobbit wrote:Posted By: maani
Date Posted: February 04 2004 at 23:24
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In the strictest sense, I'd have to agree largely with PROGMAN. In any case, the first three prog "albums" were Sgt. Pepper, Day of Future Past (The Moody Blues openly admit Pepper's influence) and Piper at the Gates of Dawn (Floyd openly admits a serious respect for, if not direct influence by, Pepper). Yet even though I myself propose (elsewhere on the site) that there is a difference between an artist accidentally "stumbling" upon "progressive sensiibilites" (or even applying them consciously at times) and an artist whose overall "approach" to songwriting/arrangement/production are "progressive," I'm not sure that Sgt. Pepper - which was clearly a "conscious" effort - makes The Beatles a progressive band. Certainly the Moodies and Floyd were progressive bands. But were they the first? Possibly, if (again) we are talking about applying "progressive sensibilities" in a deliberate, conscious way as an overall "approach" and not just an accident or an "occasional" thing. If the simple fact of "hitting upon" "progressive sensibilities" is enough to qualify a band as "prog," some of the early ones would be Procol Harum, The Nice, probably Zappa, and maybe even Iron Butterfly (someone made a good case in another thread for "In-A-Gadda-Da-Vida being the first truly prog rock song...). Still, for my money, the first truly prog bands were The Moody Blues, Pink Floyd, and King Crimson. Peace. |
Posted By: Peter
Date Posted: February 05 2004 at 00:21
 Whew! Thanks Maani! I was afraid I'd be the only one who said Crimson. As far as "widely-accepted" prog albums go, I still find the years '69 & '70 to have been critical ones for the start (or "genesis") of the serious progressive movement. I wouldn't really try to pick one band, though, because we'd need a time machine and a "written in stone" iron-clad definition of "Progressive Rock" to settle this one! (Fun topic, anyway!)------------- "And, has thou slain the Jabberwock? Come to my arms, my beamish boy! O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay!' He chortled in his joy. |
Posted By: Silk
Date Posted: February 05 2004 at 00:23
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I realise this is an idiosyncratic position, but what the hell: I think prog was made possible by (and started with) Dylan's "Like a Rolling Stone" because:
Zappa wrote somewhere that when he first heard it he thought he would never need to make an album because it did everything he wanted. Unfortunately the changes he thought it would produce never came... Prog itself developed without such a blues base, as we know, but it was this song IMO that started it all. |
Posted By: Gonghobbit
Date Posted: February 05 2004 at 14:28
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I've read that Pepper and Piper were being recorded at the same time right down the hall from each other, I wonder how aware of each other's efforts they were then. Does 'Tomorrow Never Knows' off of Revolver qualify as progressive? Pretty adventurous for the time, '66, must have freaked some people out then; what an experience it must have been seeing the Beatles go from Help to Revolver in a year or so. ------------- 'This is a local shop, there's nothing for you here' |
Posted By: maani
Date Posted: February 06 2004 at 22:22
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Gonghobbit: Actually, Pepper was written a few months earlier. Floyd began recording Piper as The Beatles were nearing the end of their Pepper sessions (Floyd used to "pop in" to watch). Re "Tomorrow Never Knows," I posited on a different thread (and Peter Rideout sort of concurred, in a way...) that The Beatles almost unquestionably had "proto-prog" sensibilities before anyone else. In this regard, I would posit that even "Think for Yourself" (from Rubber Soul, early 1966) had inklings of progressive sensibilities. But I would agree with you that TNK (as well as a couple of others on Revolver) were definitely proto-progressive, with TNK being the most obvious. Good call. Peace. |
Posted By: corbet
Date Posted: February 07 2004 at 06:28
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Have you guys heard "S.F. Sorrow" by The Pretty Things? The recording sessions for that album were also concurrent with Pepper and Piper, and it is also a very psychedelic, very good, album. It sort of got buried in time for no good reason, because it certainly stands up with the other two.. |
Posted By: Alexander
Date Posted: February 07 2004 at 15:53
I believe David Gilmour from Pink Floyd is featured on that one. ------------- On A Dilemmia Between What I Need & What I Just Want
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Posted By: semismart
Date Posted: February 08 2004 at 18:54
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I'll go with uriah Heep followed by Yes By the way is Alan Parsons considered progressive ------------- <i>Sports cars</i>, helping ugly men get sex since 1954. |
Posted By: Stormcrow
Date Posted: February 09 2004 at 09:46
Not that I hate them or anything, but..... And I would suggest that The Who were going in a progressive direction as early as anyone. I think that John Lennon and Pete Townshend were big influences on each other. |
Posted By: Verisimilitude
Date Posted: February 09 2004 at 20:33
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Hmmm, Wilde Flowers was the band that eventually spawned into Soft Machine... It originates from '63, so most definitely the first prog rock in Canterbury and there's a very good chance that it was the first prog rock band that was formed on the basis of writing progressive sound... I'm not suggesting it was the first to play what you could define as prog rock... As I can see what others are saying... "This artist produced a song/cd that has a definite progressive quality to it..." But in my opinion Wilde Flowers was the first... But I'm in Silk's position...
Oh and I liked your reasoning, btw...
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Posted By: Verisimilitude
Date Posted: February 09 2004 at 20:36
The question is just another conundrum of this site...
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Posted By: Alexander
Date Posted: February 09 2004 at 22:34
Cool that you meantion them. Yeah, that was was the nucleus for Soft Machine & Caravan. Then many other Canterbury greats spawned! ------------- On A Dilemmia Between What I Need & What I Just Want
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Posted By: dude
Date Posted: February 10 2004 at 08:50
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just a question for you blokes:Styx is considered prog or at least "proggish" but i seem to remember reading somewhere that their roots as a band go back to 1963, what were they or their ancestors playing then and like many bands who have their roots in these times how did that sound influence prog(the beatles have often been mentioned) but what about the 50/s beatniks playing what we now might call Acid Jazz and its influence on bands like Gong. i humbly submit this for your consideration(...oh all right!...just tell me what you Fink!!)
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Posted By: Pittigarru
Date Posted: February 11 2004 at 03:08
| Why isn't Deep Purple's live with The Royal Philarmonica Orchestra ever mentioned as a prog album?? it sounds to me as great Symphonic Progressive rock, plain and simple...and it was in 1969... |
Posted By: wizard
Date Posted: February 19 2004 at 05:11
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The problem with this is that while bands who eventually went prog were around in the early to mid 60s, they were not playing prog. The following musical styles (individually), in my opinion, do not constitute prog: jazz, psychadelia and heavy rock. So this pretty much rules out the likes of soft machine and pre-meddle floyd, deep purple and cream, and also bands like the moody blues. Even Aerosol Grey Machine by the mighty VDGG (released 1969) is more psychadelia than anything else. Hence, the first album to fit prog rock criteria came in 1969, from a band we all know and some of us love. It was called IN THE COURT OF THE CRIMSON KING. So, while other bands who would later play prog pre-date crimson, they were the first band to play actual prog-rock. Hence, they were the first progressive rock band. |
Posted By: Joren
Date Posted: February 19 2004 at 16:10
| I think Zappa's Mothers were the first prog band, but it's hard to say if 'Freak Out!' is real prog, there's also a lot of rhythm and blues on that album. But the last two songs make up for that, though. |
Posted By: Gonghobbit
Date Posted: February 20 2004 at 18:49
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"Styx is considered prog or at least "proggish" but i seem to remember reading somewhere that their roots as a band go back to 1963," Uh, I don't know about that man, they would've been children then, I think. ------------- 'This is a local shop, there's nothing for you here' |
Posted By: Gonghobbit
Date Posted: February 20 2004 at 19:05
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"The following musical styles (individually), in my opinion, do not constitute prog: jazz, psychadelia and heavy rock.
So this pretty much rules out the likes of soft machine and pre-meddle floyd, deep purple and cream, and also bands like the moody blues." Well, I'd think these musical styles contribute to prog sensibilities, and greatly influenced the proggers. What would you say the distinction is between Meddle and all that came before it from PF that makes those all non-prog? ------------- 'This is a local shop, there's nothing for you here' |
Posted By: wizard
Date Posted: February 24 2004 at 05:29
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The musical styles I mentioned can indeed be, and often are, constituent elements of prog rock, but are not individually progressive, at least not in the sense that that we define prog rock to be. There were bands like soft machine and pink floyd playing psychadelia in the 60s, and while it may have been a natural evolution for them to eventually become prog, they were not at that time. I personally feel - and this is just my opinion, bear in mind - that pre-Meddle floyd (PATGOD, SOS, Ummagumma and Atom Heart Mother) were more psych than anything else. A lot of people see Dark Side... as the 'turning point' album, but their real change in sound came with Meddle. More structured and less freak-out than stuff that had come before, it also featured less of an inclination to jam, and a harder edge than their earlier material, exemplified on "One of these days". Therefore, I think that Meddle is Floyd's first prog rock album, and since it came in 1971, that places their transition to full-blown prog two years later than King Crimson. ------------- Lord of lords, king of kings, has returned to lead his children home To take them to the new jerusalem! |
Posted By: lucas
Date Posted: February 24 2004 at 17:10
Yes, Alan Parsons Project belongs to what is called art-rock, one of the many subgenres of the progressive music. Are also considered as art-rock bands such as Roxy music, Supertramp, 10CC... ------------- "Magma was the very first gothic rock band" (Didier Lockwood) |
Posted By: dude
Date Posted: February 29 2004 at 08:15
GONGHOBBITT: NOT SO!!!! John Panozzo for example was born in 1948 and was along with Denniss De young , playing in a band called "The Tradewinds "(forerunner of Styx) in the early 60's while still in thier early teens( i have just found this out!!)
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Posted By: Peter
Date Posted: March 06 2004 at 01:02
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Oh, I'm sorry, I thought you said "trog" rock band.... "Let's take the average caveman, sittin' at home listenin' to his stereo...." ("Her name was Bertha. Bertha Butt. She was one a da Butt sisters....") Who remembers that silly ditty? Seriously though, I'll vote for King Crimson. ------------- "And, has thou slain the Jabberwock? Come to my arms, my beamish boy! O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay!' He chortled in his joy. |
Posted By: Vibrationbaby
Date Posted: March 08 2004 at 10:00
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Here we go again with the what is/what is not prog debate. Th Hungarian band Omega started out playing covers in clubs in Budapest as far back as 1962! There are still original members in the band and they are going on a Hungarian tour in the spring culminating with a blowout show in Budapest in September. But as far as first band to play prog? this is what you mean right? I`ll have to go with the Nice. |
Posted By: Tauhd Zaļa
Date Posted: March 12 2004 at 06:22
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1967.... The Beatles with "Sgt. Pepper"... Pink Floyd with "Piper at the Gates of Dawn"... Yes but have you heard Love in particular "Forever Changes" ? Los Angeles psychedelic/acid rock ? Yes but this band formed in 1965 should be also one of the doyens of prog rock
So the question is to know if prog rock was born in UK or USA (probably not elsewhere) within the melting pot of Artschools, Drugs and a kind of Madness ------------- The State Of Grace Is Achieved |
Posted By: dude
Date Posted: March 12 2004 at 07:29
Vibe i agree with you, while there is inherent value in discussing some subjects and i personally have gained knowledge from these issues, "the what is prog/definition/origin" debate does seem to be running in circles(the defenition of prog section at the home page covers it all quite well!!..still it is good to see such healthy(and civilized(and often humorus)) debate
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Posted By: Joren
Date Posted: March 12 2004 at 09:12
I've read in my encyclopedia of pop music, that Love is a legendaric band. Is their music interesting? |
Posted By: Tauhd Zaļa
Date Posted: March 12 2004 at 09:26
For me Yes !... but for you I don't know I could only suggest you to listen their music I like very much "Da Capo" released before "Forever Changes" (early '67), mainly : -Orange sky (beautyfull song with flute and unusual melody) -7 And 7 Is (qualified as first "metal" song of all times) -Revelation (a 19 mn track !) I have learned that their first name was "Grassroots". It is not surprising because I think they have smoked all the leaves ------------- The State Of Grace Is Achieved |
Posted By: Joren
Date Posted: March 12 2004 at 09:35
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Could you describe what they sound like?
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Posted By: Tauhd Zaļa
Date Posted: March 12 2004 at 09:49
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Joren, I can send you 3 or 4 MP3 I you want ------------- The State Of Grace Is Achieved |
Posted By: Joren
Date Posted: March 12 2004 at 10:08
That's very nice of you , but mp3's too large for email, and I don't have MSN (My dad forbid that ). Maybe you have SoulSeek?
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Posted By: Vibrationbaby
Date Posted: March 12 2004 at 13:50
| ELVIS PRESLEY IS THE KING OF ALL ROCK |
Posted By: Tauhd Zaļa
Date Posted: March 13 2004 at 04:50
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Vib', who is Elvis Presley ?
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Posted By: Joren
Date Posted: March 14 2004 at 05:15
Yeah, wasn't he that Chuck Berry rip-off? 
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Posted By: philippe
Date Posted: March 16 2004 at 09:10
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Before that the term was coined...I think that the first bands and artists who are near (in spirit) to prog rock are of course Frank Zappa and his Mothers of invention, also the first traffic album (made in 1966), Arthur Brown, the psychedelic 13th floor elevator (conceptualy), Black widow. ------------- 
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Posted By: dude
Date Posted: April 13 2004 at 10:57
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ME ME ME, I WAS THE FIRST PROGROCK BAND!!! I RELEASED THE FISRT PROGROCK ALBUM"AT THE COURT OF THE CRIMSON CAVE" BACK IN 73418 BC SO BLAME ME FOR EVERYTHING!!!!
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Posted By: Joren
Date Posted: April 13 2004 at 13:13
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Death penalty! |
Posted By: Stormcrow
Date Posted: April 13 2004 at 14:08
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For what it's worth - I've just read over at the AMG site that Zappa's "Freak Out", from 1966 and the Moody Blues' "Day Of Future Passed", from 1967, are recognized as the first two true "progressive rock" albums. What do you all think? |
Posted By: Joren
Date Posted: April 13 2004 at 14:25
I think that's THE TRUTH |
Posted By: Jim Garten
Date Posted: April 14 2004 at 07:17
Actually, Dude, my album "Tales Of Typographic Errrors" predated yours by 2 years, and the lawyers are still investigating a possible claim for plagiarism ------------- 
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Posted By: dude
Date Posted: April 15 2004 at 23:30
| WOULD THAT BE THE LEGAL FIRM OF FINDUM, FLEECUM AND FLEE? |
Posted By: maani
Date Posted: April 16 2004 at 01:21
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Dude: Actually, he hired Dewey, Cheatham and Howe... Dude and Jim: Sorry, but I've got you both. My album "Selling Ameba By the Pound" was released almost 3 billion years ago... Peace. |
Posted By: The Prognaut
Date Posted: April 16 2004 at 03:47
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I'd have to go with: 1.- The Birds - "Mr Tambourine Man" (Bob Dylan's won't lemme lie) 2.- Rainbow (ask Mr Cozy Powell) and somehow... 3.- UFO would like to read the reply for this ------------- break the circle reset my head wake the sleepwalker and i'll wake the dead |
Posted By: Alexander
Date Posted: April 16 2004 at 04:10
Also Soft Machine's Volume One. ------------- On A Dilemmia Between What I Need & What I Just Want
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Posted By: Dan Bobrowski
Date Posted: April 16 2004 at 11:57
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Maani, Dude, Jim. Sorry ya'll. "Big Bang Generator" I got there first. |
Posted By: Peter
Date Posted: April 16 2004 at 13:35
But I have it on Good Authority that Dale Hauskins is actually God..... ------------- "And, has thou slain the Jabberwock? Come to my arms, my beamish boy! O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay!' He chortled in his joy. |
Oh yeah, Yanky Doodle Danbo? Well before that, with my solo project, Universe Zero, I released: "The Sound of Silence."
Posted By: Dick Heath
Date Posted: April 26 2004 at 13:25
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Quote: I believe David Gilmour from Pink Floyd is featured on that one. I think you're 30 years out - Mr Gilmour featured on the remake of the album by the Pretty Things done in the late 90's. Besides members of Tomorrow (Keith West and to a lesser extent Steve Howe) were working on "Teenage Opera" (which had two chart singles in the UK 1967), predating "SF Sorrow", but against that argument is the fact that the whole album then took nearly 30 years to appear. Why do so many American progressive rock fans neglect (or unaware) of their own high innovative band Touch, who recorded their eponymously titled album 1968/9 and released in 1969? And one highly academic book on progressive rock Progressive Rock Reconsidered by Kevin Holm-Hudson invests a whole chapter on United States Of America (who could be a candidate for the earliest proto-RIO band), as another candidate. Then Jefferson Airplane's "After Bathing At Baxters" is very experimental rock for the period. |
Posted By: Aaron
Date Posted: May 18 2004 at 13:05
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i usually just say that King Crimson's In the Court..
was the first prog album, but honestly, i dont care Aaron |
Posted By: Dick Heath
Date Posted: May 18 2004 at 14:10
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Jerry Lucky (author of the Progressive Rock Files) puts the case for the Moody Blues Days of Future Past in the Ghostland's Editorials - released 18 months or more before ITCOTCK . But as most Brits ignored it (firsthand knowledge: I worked in record store at the time and it was difficult to give the album away) when it was first released, i.e. another British band that had to find success in the US before being accepted back home. It may be the first prog album by default rather than by deliberate intent by the band - e.g. Decca records were trying to broaden the appeal of it Phase Four stereo label, by taking a has-been/underused/increasingly unsuccessful pop group (with Denny Laine the MB's had one major hit "Go Now") and marry them with its popular music orchestra. |
Posted By: Joren
Date Posted: May 18 2004 at 15:24
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freak out! freak out! freak out! freak out! freak out! freak out! freak out! freak out! freak out! freak out! freak out! freak out! freak out! freak out! freak out! freak out! freak out! freak out! freak out! freak out! freak out! freak out! freak out! freak out! freak out! freak out! freak out! freak out! 1966 it's crystal clear! |
Posted By: moonchild
Date Posted: May 18 2004 at 17:38
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King Crimson > In the Court of the Crimson King. By the way Joren, Freak Out! has a copyright date of 1965 check your copy. ------------- In the Wake of Poseidon |
Posted By: Joren
Date Posted: May 19 2004 at 05:19
You shouldn't look at the COPYRIGHT DATE. It was indeed RECORDED in 1965, but RELEASED in 1966. No-one will hear your music if you don't release it! |
Posted By: Velvetclown
Date Posted: May 19 2004 at 05:25
Right you are Joren  1766------------- Billy Connolly Dream Theater Terry Gilliam Hagen Quartet Jethro Tull Mike Keneally |
Posted By: Joren
Date Posted: May 19 2004 at 16:29
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Posted By: alonsin
Date Posted: May 20 2004 at 15:49
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Some of the pionners Zappa, Pink Floyd, Soft Machine, King Crimson, Le Orme, Yes, Jetro Tull, Gong... some great post.. al these have recorded some LPs pre 1970, specially Zappa.. is worth recalling that "Free Jazz" and "Fusion Jazz", in the early 60's and trough the 70's were a great influence. (coleman, coltrane, davis, wheather report...)
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Posted By: ROCK GOD
Date Posted: May 28 2004 at 16:31
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it would have to be ither pink floyd or the original nirvana ------------- 
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Posted By: CL350K4
Date Posted: May 31 2004 at 11:57
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Personally, I think the honor goes to Lt. Uhura for "Beyond Antares"...
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Posted By: raleighgranprix
Date Posted: May 31 2004 at 14:51
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From the first 2 pages, of this discussion, if Seargent Pepper's is stated; then, surprise no one mentioned this, what about the supposedly heavy influence, you have of the Beach Boys "Pet Sounds" (isn't that the name), that that release has, as stated by Sir Paul McCartney??? ------------- "You well heeled big wheel, ha ha, charade you are ... and do you feel abused, down in the pig mine, you're nearly a laugh but you're really a cry ......- PF |
Posted By: Ghostwriter
Date Posted: May 31 2004 at 21:04
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I haven't read all the posts. (my bad) If someone has already posted this band I apologize. I would consider the first progresive rock band. "The Pretty Things" - their LP "Emotions" laid the foundation Next would be "The Nice", "Procol Harum, or "Soft Machine". IMHO ------------- "and then one day you find, ten years have got behind you, no one told you when to run, you missed the starting gun." |
Posted By: CL350K4
Date Posted: June 01 2004 at 20:18
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True -- but if you want to go there, Brian Wilson said he was influenced by "Rubber Soul" in creating "Pet Sounds". |
Posted By: raleighgranprix
Date Posted: June 02 2004 at 12:55
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And as mentioned, Byrds/Dylan influence on Rubber Soul: " http://www.reversephonedirectory.com/products/?item_id=B000002UAO&search_type=AsinSearch&locale=us - http://www.reversephonedirectory.com/products/?item_id=B0000 02UAO&search_type=AsinSearch&locale=us " A link, only to state what is widely accepted. Not that I would care to state these facts, it is only fair in doing so. ------------- "You well heeled big wheel, ha ha, charade you are ... and do you feel abused, down in the pig mine, you're nearly a laugh but you're really a cry ......- PF |
Posted By: Dick Heath
Date Posted: June 04 2004 at 07:13
| Why isn't Bob Dylan first electric album counted as progressive rock i.e. folk merged with electrified rock, (it should have met the looser demands of the 'progressive music' definition - cf Fairport Convention or Magna Carta - but oddly nobody seemed to even look in that direction because Mr Zimmerman might have been sacrosanct)? |
Posted By: Certif1ed
Date Posted: June 04 2004 at 09:33
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But wouldn't you have to consider the Byrds as prog first, then - since I believe that a main driving factor in Mr Z "going electric" was the fact that they (and others) were making lots of money by electrifying his songs? Simon and Garfunkel weren't far behind Dylan with the electrification of folk music either. Maybe "8 Miles High" was not only the first identifiable work of psychedelia, but also the first identifiable work of prog? Dylan's "electro-folk" move was also influenced by the British Invasion - the Animals ("House of the Rising Sun") and, of course, the Beatles, who already had a kind of folk/rock sound, even on "Please Please Me". ...but the Beatles aren't prog... are they...? |
Posted By: raleighgranprix
Date Posted: June 04 2004 at 12:20
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You are absolutely correct; as for Dylan, well, I don't wish to assign more importance than may be warranted, but he is starting to influence all of "rock" in that sense, a very broad influence, so where are the lines drawn?
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Posted By: Mysterio
Date Posted: June 09 2004 at 13:10
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I think the first progressive rock was definitely Gustav Holst's
The Planets. I mean, just look at all the brass he uses. Each of the seven movements were inventive and original (and Mars is in 5/4!), and Neptune is extremely... undescribable. Everyone should keep in mind that at one point, everyone was inspired by someone else. The statement above isn't really all that truthful, because Holst was only composing in the 19th Century; he was influenced perhaps by Stravinsky, who was influenced by Prokofiev.... the list is endless. Someone out there was influenced by classical music, and a long chain of events led to ingenious things like prog rock and whatever you can call Frank Zappa, and cringe-inducing things like "numetal" and rap. -M ------------- "YOU SLEPT WITH MY WIFE!?" "It was a threesome! ... Nobody slept!" |
Posted By: Mandrakeroot
Date Posted: July 31 2006 at 05:01
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SHADOWS ------------- 
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