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Dean ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Retired Admin and Amateur Layabout Joined: May 13 2007 Location: Europe Status: Offline Points: 37575 |
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I think the exception to that is Talk Talk. Their first two albums (The Party's Over & It's My Life) were unashamedly Pop while they last two (Spirit of Eden & Laughing Stock) are completely progressive, leaving their middle album (The Colour of Spring) as a wonderful blend of the two, ergo: Prog-Pop. Edited by darqdean - September 15 2007 at 14:51 |
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Ivan_Melgar_M ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: April 27 2004 Location: Peru Status: Offline Points: 19557 |
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I agree partially with you.
Progressive is only and adjective that qualkifies the approach of the bands to music, there vxcan be progressive )with low case p) in every genre, for example I believe REM was ahead of most bands ion their genre, so they were some kind of progressive Alternative.
No Prog (with capital P) is an acrionym for "Progressive Rock", in this case saying Pop prog or Prog Pop is clearly an oxymoron, because both genres are uncopatible to coexist.
Of course there are usually prog bands that played some Pop material and Pop bands that played a couple of tracks, but two opposite genres coexisting together is a natural contradiction.
Even the bands that made some Prog with Pop influences, were creating a different thing, it was not Pop anymore, because the structure, timing and characteristics are not the traditional characteristics of Prog.
My two cents.
Iván Edited by Ivan_Melgar_M - September 15 2007 at 15:35 |
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"seemingly opposing" ... I agree with that.
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Time Signature ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: July 20 2007 Status: Offline Points: 362 |
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I used 'oxymoron' in the title to imply the notion of pop and prog being opposites.
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I believe Ive seen this sort of discussion here before, and yes i do think prog-pop does exist.
To say Prog-pop is an oxymoron means you believe prog (a sub-genre of rock music, which is a genre of popular music in general) is not pop, or even to the degree that prog is on the opposite of pop. |
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I think it's an easily-applied term. Electric Light Orchestra, post-70s Alan Parsons, Asia, Breakfast In America-onward Supertramp, and even some Moody Blues, easily make the cut. Lots of pop sounds,etc. with progressive "elements"
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Dean ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Retired Admin and Amateur Layabout Joined: May 13 2007 Location: Europe Status: Offline Points: 37575 |
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Combining two random words to define a genre leads to two obvious interpretations, so for Prog-Pop you could be talking about:
a Prog band that has produced mainstream pop songs; (we all know who they are)
a Pop band that has progressive tendancies; (aka Prog-Related)
However, there is a third interpretation where the music is a natural fusion of the two and therefore it does not sit comfortably in either camp. Prince is a fine example of that - no one could accuse him of being a mainstream Pop artist anymore and he certainly isn't Prog. Those 'difficult' artists like XTC, Sparks and David Bowie (to name three that have been mentioned recently) also fall into this category.
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Slartibartfast ![]() Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator / In Memoriam Joined: April 29 2006 Location: Atlantais Status: Offline Points: 29630 |
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Thanks for the tip.
![]() My wife took me to the concert and I wen't with open mind. We don't have a lot of overlap in musical tastes, so it's good to have a few things that do. Edited by Slartibartfast - September 14 2007 at 20:30 |
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Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened...
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Sign O The Times is the most proggy album I have by him. It mixes funk, dance, blues, rock, and he adds soul to the equation for his best album. It also has his best songwriting.
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Yeah, the only album I have in my collection is Musicology, but I definitely noticed prog elements there. That's one of the reasons I keep it in my collection. Plus it was a freebie at the live simulcast. ![]() Edited by Slartibartfast - September 14 2007 at 20:20 |
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Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened...
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You might have forgotten the most obvious oxymoron. "Military Intelligence - two words combined that don't make sense" - Megadeth. Or of course Jumbo Shrimp. Edited by rushfan4 - September 14 2007 at 19:24 |
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Kansas has very few elements of pop. That isn't to say 1-2 of their songs might fall into the pop category. Spiraling would be my idea of Pop-prog band.
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kansas.
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As an oxymoron it is conceivable. An oxymoron is a certain figure of speech combining two seemingly opposing concepts into a new one. Examples are "bittersweet", "deafening silence" or "open secret". A very modern oxymoron is "virtual reality", by the way. Edited by BaldFriede - September 15 2007 at 00:46 |
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damn right... with the coolest guitar to go with that tone hahahhah ![]() |
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he's also a bitchin' guitar player with one of the best rock tones in music
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great post... .and probably a prime example that music can be high quality, virtuositic, pretentious, overblown, full of many influences... yet still not be prog. the trick is... you have to be a huge talent like Prince to do that ^ ... and still be considered Pop. |
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