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Greta007
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Topic: Cannot get into Tool Posted: March 31 2008 at 02:49 |
I believe that "that" is about two posts old and was given to us by Shakespeare ...
As for your question, Meat Puppet, I am loathe to say anything lest I offend our feisty bard. Further, I recently had a birthday and I am loathe to attach numbers to the idea - let's just say "no spring chicken".
If you are about to tell me "I am Methusela-esque yet I STILL love bands who play one song after another that pounds one's head into submission", then my response is "Then I hope your ears enjoy their future role as mere ornaments for your head" :-P
Of course, things are probably a bit different for women, bearing in mind that this site appears to be a testosterone pit ... even so, most men that I know who are around my age seem to find prog too much to cope with, let alone metal-prog!
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meat puppet
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Posted: March 30 2008 at 08:24 |
Greta007 wrote:
To all you Tool fans out there, rest assured that when you get older most of you will find that the energy of metal becomes kind of oppressive.
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How old is that exactly ?
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Shakespeare
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Posted: March 29 2008 at 23:15 |
Logan wrote:
ProgBagel wrote:
Again, someone please kill this thread. |
Think I might be able to kill it with a pale post, if you get my colour.
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I'll try and kill it with a black post. There. Take THAT. And THAT.
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MajesterX
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Posted: March 29 2008 at 23:11 |
Can't get into Tool? So what? You shouldn't force yourself or feel bad if you don't like some music.
Live with it. It's not big deal!
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PROGMONSTER2008
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Posted: March 25 2008 at 03:39 |
They don't fit the mould of original prog rock. Their melodies aren't exciting, not enough keys, too much screaming, not enough wind instruments
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Greta007
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Posted: March 25 2008 at 02:02 |
They fit pretty neatly into prog metal, aren't they? I think if you described Tool as prog metal to someone who hadn't heard them then when they heard the band, it wouldn't be too surprising.
I haven't enjoyed heavy metal sounds for 30 years, except in tiny doses (e.g. Lark's Tongues Pt 1) but I admit that when I first hear Tool - it was 46 and 2 - my first thought is "My God, who is that drummer?". So I don't mind them in small doses but after a while the grunt factor gets to me.
To all you Tool fans out there, rest assured that when you get older most of you will find that the energy of metal becomes kind of oppressive.
It's interesting to see what has happened to "prog" as a musical label. It seems to me that a number of "prog" bands aren't really progressive as such in that they re-interpret the ideas of progressive bands of the past. It's like "prog" has created it's own tradition so some bands follow the blues tradition, some the RnB tradition or the jazz or fusion traditions, and now some the prog tradition.
I don't know. Maybe so many ideas have been laid out on the musical table in the past that there's little else to do but follow what someone else has done before? (at least if you want to sound good).
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Posted: March 24 2008 at 23:39 |
Ha ha, I actually read every single post in this thread, including the OTHER tool thread. Dunno why. Actually, there was some interesting points to be made, but I think this thread is indeed on the wane... Now we just need a fanboy to come along and initiate a vicious cycle of abuse. Wait, that could be me! Tool is COOL, don't be dissin' with them you mofos!
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Slartibartfast
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Posted: March 24 2008 at 07:58 |
Go listen to some Zappa for crying out loud.
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Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened...
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Posted: March 24 2008 at 01:08 |
Dear Sir, that is beyond the pale.
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Logan
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Posted: March 24 2008 at 00:59 |
ProgBagel wrote:
Again, someone please kill this thread. |
Think I might be able to kill it with a pale post, if you get my colour.
Edited by Logan - March 24 2008 at 01:12
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ProgBagel
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Posted: March 24 2008 at 00:51 |
Again, someone please kill this thread.
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Disestabulistic
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Posted: March 24 2008 at 00:39 |
I have a friend who is the type of person that, when they discover something they like, it becomes their life for 3-5 months. At the moment he is living in some kind of homogenously tool dominated universe. I like tool, and I feel like I could grow to like them much more and derive a lot of enjoyment from their music.
With that said, I find it very hard to get into them. Maybe it's a result of constantly being bomarded with tapped rhythms, badly sung lyrics, time signature lectures and plodding riffs in drop D courtesy of my zealot friend. At best, my enjoyment of tool is patchy. There have been times when I've really been struck by the power and emotion of the music, and others when I've wanted to shut it off to end the unchanging boredom.
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Real Paradox
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Posted: March 23 2008 at 16:01 |
Tool is a mix... and bands that are a mix are hardly understood... Tool is for me a mix of art rock/metal/alternative (myspace genre status at my point of view), but they are much more than this( that's where the art rock comes), well the truth is I can't stand a whole album of the band, but I must say they play metal in a very interesting way (art rock subject again). Point is...just listen to the god damn band...hell with the whole label this and label that...(thats the art rock virus again ).
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Posted: March 23 2008 at 09:52 |
meat puppet wrote:
That fits though, I dont like the mars Volta either. Tried a couple of albums and after many hours of listening I gave up. GSYBE does the same.
Yet I really like Aggaloch. Maybe it needs a sort of folky thing going on, a celtic twist of melancholy mixed with the strong metal riffing. The growling vocals just annoy me......and I have a lot of growling in my collection from bands like Sikth, Mastodon, Dillinger Escape Plan, Cult of luna, Slayer, Machine Head, High on Fire etc.
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I find that weird mate. Yeah, Godspeed You! Black Emperor does not appeal to me as well.
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meat puppet
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Posted: March 23 2008 at 09:35 |
That fits though, I dont like the mars Volta either. Tried a couple of albums and after many hours of listening I gave up. GSYBE does the same.
Yet I really like Aggaloch. Maybe it needs a sort of folky thing going on, a celtic twist of melancholy mixed with the strong metal riffing. The growling vocals just annoy me......and I have a lot of growling in my collection from bands like Sikth, Mastodon, Dillinger Escape Plan, Cult of luna, Slayer, Machine Head, High on Fire etc.
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Posted: March 23 2008 at 08:39 |
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meat puppet
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Posted: March 23 2008 at 07:50 |
Majestic_Mayhem wrote:
Hello meat. Yeah, it took me quite a while to like Opeth. It's an acquired taste, and I think most prog metallers around this site will agree with me when I say that Opeth are one of the most creative progressive metal bands out there. Mikael Akerfeldt is such a great vocalist. His range is quite remarkable. Give those albums another chance, and you'll see what I mean. Tool are awesome, don't you think? ... and welcome to the forums, n00b!!!!!!
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I dont think I will ever like Opeth, I find the music too gloomy, oppressive and angry. This is not a complaint mind you, getting into a slanging match about music is as daft as someone arguing that coffee is better than tea......its all music, some you like, some you dont. Does get me wondering about my choice of music. The OP thought that Tool was more of a 'grunge' metal band which really means Nirvana (regardless to the 100s of other bands around at the time such as the Melvins, Mudhoney, bad brains, Tad, Minutemen, meat puppets etc). That sort of makes sense to me as a total Nirvana fan (although strangely people who dislike nirvana find it gloomy and angry which is ironic).
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Posted: March 23 2008 at 07:26 |
I bought Undertow after seeing Prison Sex every five minutes on MTV at the time. I liked it but to be honest I forgot about them until fairly recently when I gave Lateralus a go and loved it. Undertow is as good a place to start as any, it's fairly acessable compared to later stuff (imho).
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JayDee
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Posted: March 23 2008 at 05:59 |
Hello meat. Yeah, it took me quite a while to like Opeth. It's an acquired taste, and I think most prog metallers around this site will agree with me when I say that Opeth are one of the most creative progressive metal bands out there. Mikael Akerfeldt is such a great vocalist. His range is quite remarkable. Give those albums another chance, and you'll see what I mean. Tool are awesome, don't you think? ... and welcome to the forums, n00b !!!!!!
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meat puppet
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Posted: March 23 2008 at 05:50 |
First post on this forum, so hello to everyone. Interesting this Tool discussion. I come at it from a slightly different angle. I bought Lateralus based on a magazine review and thought it was naff. My tastes are very eclectic to say the least, this just sounded like lots of stuff I have listened to before except it lacked coherence. It lay gathering dust for a long time. On another forum they were raving about Tool and I have to admit I took a few cheap shots at the fanboys. Anyway, to cut along story short I met up with one of the fanboys in a hifi shoot out and guess what he brought to do the tests..........aggghhhh Lateralus.................the strange thing is, once he had gone, those repeated tracks must have sunk into my unconcious and a few days later I ended up listening to the album. I started to enjoy the album and was getting slightly annoyed that it was hooking me in. I just did not get what it was that was getting me into it and was actually trying to find fault and things not to like. I have given up now. Now I own Aenima and 10.000 days as well and have been to see them three times. When another album appears i will buy that........I'm an addict, I reckon Maynard uses some hypnosis techniques. Whats good about them.........haven't the faintest idea. I listen to Dream Theater (which I quite like) and have just started listening to Porcupine tree (fear of) which is Ok ish (Maybe it will grow, not kenn on In Absentia at all). Opeth........those growling vocals spoil it for me, I own ghost reveries and got rid of Blackwater park if that gives you any idea.
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