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Equality 7-2521 
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 Topic: Hostel, ect.... movie's from HellPosted: August 08 2007 at 14:19 |
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Thats probably because you're leading local papers. WSJ & NYT have plenty of international news. Of course every country knows what's going on in the U.S. it's the center of finance and the West. You can't honestly tell me you know more about the history of Sri Lanka because you were educated outside of the U.S. than one educated in the U.S.
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"One had to be a Newton to notice that the moon is falling, when everyone sees that it doesn't fall. "
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The T
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Honorary Collaborator Joined: October 16 2006 Location: FL, USA Status: Offline Points: 17493 |
Posted: August 08 2007 at 14:02 |
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of course, I'm not saying ALL american youngsters are world-ignorants or that ALL european or southamerican (the places I know, don't ask me about Asia or Africa) are world-educated.... but it's in the culture.... See the news broadcasts on tv: ZERO international news.... See the international section in the newspapers: BURIED after "celebrity" news (in most of them.... It's only logical: news broadcasts in the US are NOT EVEN NATIONAL: in one county in Florida you will never see news from another county, much less from a different state, MUCH LESS about a different country.... In southamerica and in Europe (curiously, I was educated in a school in Southamerica but a european-oriented-german school at that) you have lots of WORLD history classes, and in the news (all formats) you have big international sections (that's why we know everything thsat happens here in the US, while the US doesn't know, sometimes, what's going on outside its borders)....
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BaldJean
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Posted: August 08 2007 at 11:31 |
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we saw this movie in an off-broadway cinema. it is quite disturbing, but so are movies like "Viva la Muerte" (which in my opinion has even more shocking images) or "El Topo". and although the movie is quite violent, there actually is a moral message in it |
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Equality 7-2521
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Posted: August 08 2007 at 11:04 |
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Hey now, we tore half your country away from you and we saved you in two wars. We're supposed to be even now.
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Equality 7-2521
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Posted: August 08 2007 at 11:01 |
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My point is it isn't like that outside the U.S. I've been through a good bit of Western Europe. It's no different. It's a self-hating American bred fallacy that all over the world kids know everything about the world except our dumb American kids.
Of course there are dumb American kids who don't know anything about the world, but there's dumb European kids that are the same. And for the aware worldly European kids, there's the same in American kids.
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Jim Garten
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Posted: August 08 2007 at 07:24 |
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Isn't that just typical from a Yank? +++hides+++ 
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fungusucantkill
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Posted: August 07 2007 at 14:26 |
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Those movies include about 50 min of porn and the rest straight up killing and destroying. But then again thats what america has been stopping down to....
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The T
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Posted: August 07 2007 at 14:18 |
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Exactly... .... go outside the US and see with your own eyes that, in the rest of the world, people learn what happens everywhere... the US, even HAITI, LAOS, wherever...
I live in the US, drink from its fountains, so I actually love the US... I just happen to disagree with the "me and only me" way of thinking that many people here have...
Specially in Florida....  Edited by The T - August 07 2007 at 14:20 |
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Equality 7-2521
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Posted: August 07 2007 at 14:13 |
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Just because a few idiots think that does not mean its a widespread symptom. Do you really think young people in other countries are so worldly and know whats happening all across the globe with no innocent misconceptions?
I just tire of the anti-American rhetoric, and hell I'm not even 20 yet.
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The T
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Posted: August 07 2007 at 14:10 |
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I haven't seen Hostel (I prefer to waste my time watching paint dry actually
 ) but wherever it is staged, that's what they said...
Come on, COLLEGE american young people know about the world..and not even all of them... as much as I love this country, people here are shown US-ONLY news... just see the nes broadcasts and the newspapers... so it's no surprise that common people don't know sh*t about the rest of the world and think that a garbage movie like Hostel is really what happens to travelers in other countries...
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Equality 7-2521
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Posted: August 07 2007 at 14:06 |
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I think most young people would be more accurate don't you?
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The T
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Posted: August 07 2007 at 14:03 |
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You know how dangerous ignorance is? Some guys from work, who otherwise are smart and I like them, as they don't know much about the rest of the world (most american young people don't) said to me that "they would never fly to east-europe because they don't want what happens in hostel to happen to them"...
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toolis
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Posted: August 07 2007 at 07:27 |
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well, to be fair, Hostel has that message that our lives have become so empty or humans are so unsatisfied beings or that violence is hidden in our nature or that rich people cannot find happiness or whatever but that wasn't neither a clear message nor artisticaly given... |
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-music is like pornography...
sometimes amateurs turn us on, even more... -sometimes you are the pigeon and sometimes you are the statue... |
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Jim Garten
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Posted: August 07 2007 at 07:14 |
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I tend to agree, Toolis - the Saw movies are undoubtedly violent, but at least they have a plot and are well made - Hostel, on the other hand is just appalling.
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toolis
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Posted: August 06 2007 at 02:19 |
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i would have to agree with you... Hostel is crap... but Saw trilogy has some plot and interest and the gore scenes don't affect them... maybe Saw III was inexcusably gorey but the first two are ok... |
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-music is like pornography...
sometimes amateurs turn us on, even more... -sometimes you are the pigeon and sometimes you are the statue... |
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BroSpence
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Posted: August 06 2007 at 02:00 |
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I'm perfectly OK with those kinds of movies being made, but I will never see them and do not understand the following of them. Parents need to be responsible though and not let their young children see those films which unfortunately, some do. Oh well.
This film however, is 31 years old and still being banned: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0073650/ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sal%C3%B2_o_le_120_giornate_di_Sodoma |
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darkmatter
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Posted: August 03 2007 at 15:20 |
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I totally agree. I haven't seen Hostel, but I've seen Saw II and III, similar movies (I presume?). They're called horror movies, but they are not in any sense of that genre. It's all just senseless violence. |
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The T
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Posted: August 03 2007 at 14:35 |
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Artistically, GARBAGE. As morals go, DANGEROUS. The fact that they're so successful, DISTURBING. As movies, TRASH....
...But they should have the same right as other movies to be shown on cinemas. With a NC-17 or even an M rating, of course... But censorship is the worst thing, so as awful, bad, and useless as these movies may be (which they ARE), I'd rather have them in the mvoie theater than a group of "moral righteousness citizens" or any crap like that telling what can be done and what can't.
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cuncuna
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Posted: August 03 2007 at 14:30 |
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Agree 100%, but I feel the need to add a bit of a comment about how poorly acomplished those movies are. Totally fail at their most basic goal (to scare someone). Off course, if you are like 12 - 15 years old, maybe those cheap plot twists work. The only samples that are near to hte subject I can respect are those made by John Carpenter, but those works are miles away from the average gore film disscused |
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Proletariat
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Joined: March 30 2007 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 1882 |
Posted: August 03 2007 at 12:36 |
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ive seen it, I didn't like it and thought it was gross. however people arn't really being killed, its not like child pornography (wich is and should be cencored)
If you dont want to see the movies dont.
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Equality 7-2521 wrote:
Such ultra-violent, pointless "art" is sick, degenerate "entertainment," and its growing popularity is a symptom of a much larger social problem, IMO. I wonder to what extent such movies, etc, not only feed on disfunction and inhumanity, but actually encourage and contribute to it. 
