Hostel, ect.... movie's from Hell
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Topic: Hostel, ect.... movie's from Hell
Posted By: SoundsofSeasons
Subject: Hostel, ect.... movie's from Hell
Date Posted: August 03 2007 at 02:25
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Warning: The following is Violent Subject Matter!
Last night, while listening to my free Podcasts that i get from Itunes, i heard someone talking about Hostel and clones of it. I did a search off wikipedia, curious as to exactly what these movies were all about, and was shocked by what i read about it's contents. Torture-porn..what the hell is that? I read a lengthy paragraph summarizing the story of Hostel and it's purposes. At the bottom of the page was another short article even more shocking then the one on the movie. It read.
"On June 15 2007 a 28 year old man, Björn Jue, was strapped to a chair and tortured to death in the town of Pernis, The Netherlands. The suspected murderers, Jeffrey van S. and Walter A. (25) are said to have been inspired by a gruesome torture scene in "Hostel 2", which they reenacted after Jeu's ex-girlfriend, Marian D. (24) told them he had repeatedly molested his 5-year old son; however this accusation has not been confirmed so far. Two police officers arrived at the scene after calls that Jue was "held against his will". Jeu was screaming for his life. However, the officers did not enter the house and called for backup because this is standard procedure when a hostage situation is suspected. When backup arrived half an hour later (some witnesses claim it was more than an hour later), the screaming had stopped. Jeu died at the scene. Full details were not disclosed for being "too horrible and beyond imagination."
Holy crap, this is some sick stuff. Later i talked with my dad about it, and learned that this sick sadistic crap is actally real. I don't really want to know any more, but i guess growing up you need to learn just how evil the world can be. My point?
Do you believe movies like Hostel should be made, thus promoting and CELEBRATING this horrific practice? If so, why, and whom should be able to get a hold of it.
On a side note, and as an anecdote, this is a quote from the director of the movie. He says this live on the Fox News channel after being told by someone his movie is far too violent and serves no purpose other than to promote the twisted acts.
"...George Bush and Dick Cheney kill Americans for real in Iraq so their oil companies will profit off the deaths".
  So this somehow justifies his movies??? LOL! Wow, this guy won't be making another movie in America anytime soon  . What an idiot. ------------- 1 Chronicles 13:7-9 Then David and all Israel played music before God with all their might, with singing, on harps, on stringed instruments, on tambourines, on cymbals, and with trumpets. |
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Posted By: Vompatti
Date Posted: August 03 2007 at 05:27
Every movie should be artistically valuable or entertaining, and these kind of movies usually are neither. 
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Posted By: kazansky
Date Posted: August 03 2007 at 05:32
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i don't really care for such movies actually, although i don't know why people could enjoy such scenes...each to his own perhaps... ------------- The devil we blame our atrocities on is really just each one of us. |
Posted By: laplace
Date Posted: August 03 2007 at 06:07
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haven't seen them. assuming it's just bad gore horror there's no need to censor. as for the incident that followed, well, video games, music, religion et al are only the excuse and not the motive. ------------- FREEDOM OF SPEECH GO TO HELL |
Posted By: bhikkhu
Date Posted: August 03 2007 at 08:35
You really think so? That comment probably made him even more popular with Hollywood marketing people. I do think these movies (along with a lot of others) are pure crap, but people go to see them. It's not for me to say what can, or cannot be made. That's called censorship. If had my way, Will Farrell and Adam Sandler would be arrested if they ever got in front of a camera again. Not that I think their movies cause people to to commit brutal acts, but they do lower the standard of overall quality. In the end, sick people are sick before they see movies. The movie may have inspired the method, but something bad was going to happen. Even if the torturer had gone to see "The Sound of Music," a heinous crime would have taken place. ------------- a.k.a. H.T. http://riekels.wordpress.com" rel="nofollow - http://riekels.wordpress.com |
SoundsofSeasons wrote:Posted By: Dean
Date Posted: August 03 2007 at 10:08
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The age-rating on fims is a necessary evil and has nothing to do with morality or censorship. Young people are impressionable - that is not a criticism but a genetic trait that enables offspring to learn and develop from their elders - they must not be exposed to questionable morality issues without the maturity to handle it responsibly. The age-rating is supposed to ensure that people below a certain age never see films like this, but we all know that is untenable. IMHO there is nothing inherrantly wrong in making films such as this however, they should be restricted to theatres where age-control can be rigorously enforced and should never see the light of day on DVD since the age-control is ineffectual in that medium.
Talking to your dad about this was the right thing to do - reacting in the way you have is also the right thing to do.  ------------- What? |
Posted By: Peter
Date Posted: August 03 2007 at 10:23
Such ultra-violent, pointless "art" is sick, degenerate "entertainment," and its growing popularity is a symptom of a much larger social problem, IMO. I wonder to what extent such movies, etc, not only feed on disfunction and inhumanity, but actually encourage and contribute to it. 
I wish there wasn't such a huge, eager market for such stomach-churning fare, but I don't know that censorship (beyond ascribing the toughest age-restricting rating) is the answer, either.
I really don't care to know folks who seek out and enjoy that stuff, and who likely find movies without a surfeit of gore & gratuitous death "boring." I like art to lift me up, in general... but to each his own, I guess.
 I didn't vote, because neither of the poll options really captures my feelings on this, but "shouldn't be made at all" comes closest, I guess. I just wish that we as a species could have "evolved" beyond this point, by now....  ------------- "And, has thou slain the Jabberwock? Come to my arms, my beamish boy! O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay!' He chortled in his joy. |
Posted By: sleeper
Date Posted: August 03 2007 at 11:37
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I havnt seen any of these kinds of movies, but from what I hear its more a case of violence for violence sake, and nothing else. For that they have no value to stimulate or entertain me and therefore I consider them pointless.
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Posted By: Equality 7-2521
Date Posted: August 03 2007 at 11:43
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Films like these are sick; I voted the third option. The most disgusting part is that a film like "Hostel" is considered tame, watered down, and mainstream to the underground group of perverts interested in torture films. These films feed a inhumane desire in the avid viewers of these movies and can do nothing but harm. ------------- "One had to be a Newton to notice that the moon is falling, when everyone sees that it doesn't fall. " |
Posted By: thellama73
Date Posted: August 03 2007 at 11:51
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I'm not sure how to vote, because I don't approve of or enjoy these type of movies and I think they harm society, but I also believe that people have the right to make them, and if others want to see them, that is their right. It's definitely a tricky issue.
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Posted By: TheProgtologist
Date Posted: August 03 2007 at 12:14
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I think those movies are total trash.Just violence for violence sake.
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Posted By: chamberry
Date Posted: August 03 2007 at 12:17
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I don't like censorship in ART so I don't mind people making these kind of movies, but I've never been a fan of gore or exaggerated violence so I don't plan on seeing any of these movies in the near or distant future. ------------- 
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Posted By: stonebeard
Date Posted: August 03 2007 at 12:26
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I haven't seen Hostel. But in the current state of films, I can't think of any film that deserves an NC-17 rating, other than pure porno movies. NC-17 is simply the rating the MPAA gives to films they don't want to make money. There is hardly any difference in rating between R and NC-17, but most theaters won't play an NC-17 rated movie, which is bullsh*t. If theaters started to carry NC-17 movies, then fine, but right now, the whole system is corrupt and unfair to the person who wants to look for films out of the sickening corporate loop . ------------- http://soundcloud.com/drewagler" rel="nofollow - My soundcloud. Please give feedback if you want! |
Posted By: jplanet
Date Posted: August 03 2007 at 12:31
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I dislike movies that are so disturbing, but horror and gore does serve a positive purpose, as far as enabling people to cope with fears, etc...there are some well-written observations about this, I'll try to find some... As for life imitating art, I tend to believe the opposite. Seeing Nick Berg decapitated on video was far more disturbing than Hostel, and that really happened. A movie like Hostel is, very very unfortunately, a reflection of the level of atrocity currently happening in the world...It's essential that people can make such films, so that this can be reflected upon... ------------- https://www.facebook.com/ShadowCircus/" rel="nofollow - ..::welcome to the shadow circus::.. |
Posted By: Proletariat
Date Posted: August 03 2007 at 12:36
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ive seen it, I didn't like it and thought it was gross. however people arn't really being killed, its not like child pornography (wich is and should be cencored)
If you dont want to see the movies dont. ------------- who hiccuped endlessly trying to giggle but wound up with a sob |
Posted By: cuncuna
Date Posted: August 03 2007 at 14:30
Agree 100%, but I feel the need to add a bit of a comment about how poorly acomplished those movies are. Totally fail at their most basic goal (to scare someone). Off course, if you are like 12 - 15 years old, maybe those cheap plot twists work. The only samples that are near to hte subject I can respect are those made by John Carpenter, but those works are miles away from the average gore film disscused ------------- ¡Beware of the Bee! |
Posted By: The T
Date Posted: August 03 2007 at 14:35
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Artistically, GARBAGE. As morals go, DANGEROUS. The fact that they're so successful, DISTURBING. As movies, TRASH....
...But they should have the same right as other movies to be shown on cinemas. With a NC-17 or even an M rating, of course... But censorship is the worst thing, so as awful, bad, and useless as these movies may be (which they ARE), I'd rather have them in the mvoie theater than a group of "moral righteousness citizens" or any crap like that telling what can be done and what can't. ------------- 
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Posted By: darkmatter
Date Posted: August 03 2007 at 15:20
I totally agree. I haven't seen Hostel, but I've seen Saw II and III, similar movies (I presume?). They're called horror movies, but they are not in any sense of that genre. It's all just senseless violence. |
Posted By: BroSpence
Date Posted: August 06 2007 at 02:00
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I'm perfectly OK with those kinds of movies being made, but I will never see them and do not understand the following of them. Parents need to be responsible though and not let their young children see those films which unfortunately, some do. Oh well. This film however, is 31 years old and still being banned: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0073650/ - http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0073650/ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sal%C3%B2_o_le_120_giornate_di_Sodoma - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sal%C3%B2_o_le_120_giornate_di_Sodoma |
Posted By: toolis
Date Posted: August 06 2007 at 02:19
i would have to agree with you... Hostel is crap... but Saw trilogy has some plot and interest and the gore scenes don't affect them... maybe Saw III was inexcusably gorey but the first two are ok... ------------- -music is like pornography... sometimes amateurs turn us on, even more... -sometimes you are the pigeon and sometimes you are the statue... |
Posted By: Jim Garten
Date Posted: August 07 2007 at 07:14
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I tend to agree, Toolis - the Saw movies are undoubtedly violent, but at least they have a plot and are well made - Hostel, on the other hand is just appalling. ------------- 
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Posted By: toolis
Date Posted: August 07 2007 at 07:27
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well, to be fair, Hostel has that message that our lives have become so empty or humans are so unsatisfied beings or that violence is hidden in our nature or that rich people cannot find happiness or whatever but that wasn't neither a clear message nor artisticaly given... ------------- -music is like pornography... sometimes amateurs turn us on, even more... -sometimes you are the pigeon and sometimes you are the statue... |
Posted By: The T
Date Posted: August 07 2007 at 14:03
You know how dangerous ignorance is? Some guys from work, who otherwise are smart and I like them, as they don't know much about the rest of the world (most american young people don't) said to me that "they would never fly to east-europe because they don't want what happens in hostel to happen to them"... 
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Posted By: Equality 7-2521
Date Posted: August 07 2007 at 14:06
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I think most young people would be more accurate don't you? ------------- "One had to be a Newton to notice that the moon is falling, when everyone sees that it doesn't fall. " |
Posted By: The T
Date Posted: August 07 2007 at 14:10
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I haven't seen Hostel (I prefer to waste my time watching paint dry actually) but wherever it is staged, that's what they said...
Come on, COLLEGE american young people know about the world..and not even all of them... as much as I love this country, people here are shown US-ONLY news... just see the nes broadcasts and the newspapers... so it's no surprise that common people don't know sh*t about the rest of the world and think that a garbage movie like Hostel is really what happens to travelers in other countries... -------------
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Posted By: Equality 7-2521
Date Posted: August 07 2007 at 14:13
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Just because a few idiots think that does not mean its a widespread symptom. Do you really think young people in other countries are so worldly and know whats happening all across the globe with no innocent misconceptions?
I just tire of the anti-American rhetoric, and hell I'm not even 20 yet. ------------- "One had to be a Newton to notice that the moon is falling, when everyone sees that it doesn't fall. " |
Posted By: The T
Date Posted: August 07 2007 at 14:18
Exactly... .... go outside the US and see with your own eyes that, in the rest of the world, people learn what happens everywhere... the US, even HAITI, LAOS, wherever...
I live in the US, drink from its fountains, so I actually love the US... I just happen to disagree with the "me and only me" way of thinking that many people here have...
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Posted By: fungusucantkill
Date Posted: August 07 2007 at 14:26
Those movies include about 50 min of porn and the rest straight up killing and destroying. But then again thats what america has been stopping down to.... -------------  
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Posted By: Jim Garten
Date Posted: August 08 2007 at 07:24
Isn't that just typical from a Yank? +++hides+++  -------------
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Posted By: Equality 7-2521
Date Posted: August 08 2007 at 11:01
My point is it isn't like that outside the U.S. I've been through a good bit of Western Europe. It's no different. It's a self-hating American bred fallacy that all over the world kids know everything about the world except our dumb American kids.
Of course there are dumb American kids who don't know anything about the world, but there's dumb European kids that are the same. And for the aware worldly European kids, there's the same in American kids. ------------- "One had to be a Newton to notice that the moon is falling, when everyone sees that it doesn't fall. " |
Posted By: Equality 7-2521
Date Posted: August 08 2007 at 11:04
Hey now, we tore half your country away from you and we saved you in two wars. We're supposed to be even now. ------------- "One had to be a Newton to notice that the moon is falling, when everyone sees that it doesn't fall. " |
Posted By: BaldJean
Date Posted: August 08 2007 at 11:31
we saw this movie in an off-broadway cinema. it is quite disturbing, but so are movies like "Viva la Muerte" (which in my opinion has even more shocking images) or "El Topo". and although the movie is quite violent, there actually is a moral message in it -------------  A shot of me as High Priestess of Gaia during our fall festival. Ceterum censeo principiis obsta |
Posted By: The T
Date Posted: August 08 2007 at 14:02
of course, I'm not saying ALL american youngsters are world-ignorants or that ALL european or southamerican (the places I know, don't ask me about Asia or Africa) are world-educated.... but it's in the culture.... See the news broadcasts on tv: ZERO international news.... See the international section in the newspapers: BURIED after "celebrity" news (in most of them.... It's only logical: news broadcasts in the US are NOT EVEN NATIONAL: in one county in Florida you will never see news from another county, much less from a different state, MUCH LESS about a different country.... In southamerica and in Europe (curiously, I was educated in a school in Southamerica but a european-oriented-german school at that) you have lots of WORLD history classes, and in the news (all formats) you have big international sections (that's why we know everything thsat happens here in the US, while the US doesn't know, sometimes, what's going on outside its borders).... -------------
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Posted By: Equality 7-2521
Date Posted: August 08 2007 at 14:19
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Thats probably because you're leading local papers. WSJ & NYT have plenty of international news. Of course every country knows what's going on in the U.S. it's the center of finance and the West. You can't honestly tell me you know more about the history of Sri Lanka because you were educated outside of the U.S. than one educated in the U.S. ------------- "One had to be a Newton to notice that the moon is falling, when everyone sees that it doesn't fall. " |