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    Posted: August 29 2007 at 08:14
Originally posted by triplechanger triplechanger wrote:

Thanks for all the replys, all have helped. I would like to post the finished article but I'm not sure quite how toas it seems you can't attach zip files. The riff is in drop D, is played on the lowest 3 strings and goes something like this:
 
d - 0 11 13 0 11 13 12 13 12 11
a - 0 11 13 0 11 13 12 13 12 11
d - 0 11 13 0 11 13 12 13 12 11


Can you make a midi-version of it, or a ProGuitar (GuitarPro?) file, or a TuxGuitar file? I've tried playing it, the way, I guess you want it to sound... and it sounds pretty psycho-mean.
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I love it when a drummer plays a phrase spanning, say, 5 /8, then repeats it with the hat continuing throughout in straight 1/4 notes. You still get the feel of a five-beat cycle but the constant quarter notes keep the flow.
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just upload it at rapidshare.com

Also, I've heard some jazz musicians say, that 4/4 is just the easier modified version of 5/4 which is the original. try listening to Dave Brubecks "Take Five" or say, Living in the Past by Jethro Tull. Now that's what I think about when you talk about 5/4. A swaying groove.
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Points: 21 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 12 2007 at 17:32
There appears to have been a slight misunderstanding about the riff that I posted. This was a substitute fora MIDI recording of the Guitar Pro file which I am unsure of how to put on this forum. I'm sorry if I confused anyone.
 
P.S. It is all in quavers (ending up as 3, 3, 4 in subdivisions)
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Points: 7744 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 09 2007 at 20:36
The Long Distance Runaway/Fish section of Fragile is excellent for getting into that 5/4 groove.

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A classic 5/4 beat and unusually simple is the pattern in Rush - The Trees right after the middle break.  Here's a part of it I got from the Rush Drum Tab Project.

http://www.cygnusproductions.com/rtp/drums/drums.asp

C  C-B---B---B-B---|B-B---B---B-B-----|B-B---B---B-B-----|
S  --X-------X-----|X-X-------X-------|X-X-------X-------|
K  X---X---X---X-X-|----X---X---X-X-X-|----X---X---X-X-X-|


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Points: 7744 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 09 2007 at 19:49
The best way to become accustomed to 5/4 is to play along to "Long Distance Runaround". The snare hit is on every fifth beat - try counting it out at first, then as soon as you can do it without counting, it clicks.

Bruford has always said he loves 5/4.
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Originally posted by rileydog22 rileydog22 wrote:

A little hint: When you're trying to communicate with drummerrs, guitar tab isn't terribly useful.  
exactly, I cant help because you gave me a riff and didn't give me any info on the rythm, I could play that tab a gazzillion ways are they half notes or 16ths or what
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A little hint: When you're trying to communicate with drummerrs, guitar tab isn't terribly useful.  

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Thanks for all the replys, all have helped. I would like to post the finished article but I'm not sure quite how toas it seems you can't attach zip files. The riff is in drop D, is played on the lowest 3 strings and goes something like this:
 
d - 0 11 13 0 11 13 12 13 12 11
a - 0 11 13 0 11 13 12 13 12 11
d - 0 11 13 0 11 13 12 13 12 11
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Points: 540 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 02 2007 at 18:34
it would be usefull to know the riff but try this out (click on it to see it better)




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If you want a "driving" filing, 2 try triplets instead of last 4 eights. Or play (if the tempo is fast) just as 5/8, with occasional pauses on 2nd, 3d and 5th eight.
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a cool subdivision that i like is to think of it as two bars of 5/8, the first one phrased 3 + 2 and the second one 2 + 3, in other words:

x         x      x      x
   s  s     s     s     s  s
b        b      b     b
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yuppery helps to know your theory there but this is coming from a guitarist....

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Originally posted by BaldFriede BaldFriede wrote:

Originally posted by Time Signature Time Signature wrote:

Try some syncopated snare hits. That usually sounds very cool.

That's why I suggested to hit the snare between the 3 and the 4.
 
So you did. Sorry, I missed your post. Just tried out your suggestion, and at mid-to-high tempo, it sounds pretty cool.


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Originally posted by Time Signature Time Signature wrote:

Try some syncopated snare hits. That usually sounds very cool.

That's why I suggested to hit the snare between the 3 and the 4.


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Try some syncopated snare hits. That usually sounds very cool.
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It's hard to give advice without hearing what else is going on in the tune, but how about subdividing the drum part?  You could do 3+2, or 3+3+2+2 for a 10/8 feel...  Just a thought.

With the HH/Ride playing quarters/eighths/whatever: ||: Kick 2 3 Snare 2 :|| or ||:Kick 2 3 Snare 2 3 Kick 2 Snare 2 :||


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Play the snare on the 1 and right in the middle between the 3 and 4, the bass drum on the 2 and 5 and the hi-hat on the 4. That way you get a really driving rhythm. You can even improve it if you play the bass drum on the 5 as a double kick.


Edited by BaldFriede - July 23 2007 at 03:57


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Originally posted by triplechanger triplechanger wrote:

I'm having trouble with drums in 5/4 in a particular song,. The guitars and bass sound fine but the problem is I want it to be kind of a driving, propulsive riff but the final crotchet of the bar sounds like an afterthought and the momentum seems to ebb a bit. Anyone have any tips? Or should I just shorten the riff and have it in 4/4?
 
I think you should go for the 5/4! Are you familiar with king crimson's larks' tongues in aspic pt 2? If so, there's a brief, yet wicked bass riff about halfway through the song that is backed by an awesome drum rhythym in 5/4. It's just militaristic snare drumming, but man is it sweet! It must be a good rhythym...it's in the middle of a heavy crimson song and bill bruford is playing it! Go with the 5/4 man...the music world has had enough of 4/4! 
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