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The T 
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Posted: July 31 2007 at 21:07 |
 TheProgtologist wrote:
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Has anyone seen Gibson's "Apocalypto" film?
I was interested in checking it out,the look of the movie is stunning. |
Very good movie.... all about a man's struggle to survive.... very well set in mayan time ... great costume reseacrh... great suspense.... a little bit of gore (not Al) as Mel seems to love since The Passion... I really recommend it...
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Cool,me and my wife are going to rent it OnDemand tonight. |
Some scenes are perfect for a Messhugah fan! 
Hope you enjoy it and let us know if you liked it...
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Posted: July 31 2007 at 20:35 |
The T wrote:
TheProgtologist wrote:
Has anyone seen Gibson's "Apocalypto" film?
I was interested in checking it out,the look of the movie is stunning. |
Very good movie.... all about a man's struggle to survive.... very well set in mayan time ... great costume reseacrh... great suspense.... a little bit of gore (not Al) as Mel seems to love since The Passion... I really recommend it...
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Cool,me and my wife are going to rent it OnDemand tonight.
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Posted: July 31 2007 at 14:46 |
^ Keep in mind many of the dialogues are word for word (or close to it) out of the books, and many of them are hailed as emotional turning points, but to each his own. And yes, you have to see 300.
Has anyone seen the clip of Apocalypto where they changed the subtitles to reflect Gibson's drunken anti-Semitism, such as the priest declaring the Jews are responsible for all the wars in the world? Hilarious.
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The T
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Posted: July 31 2007 at 14:42 |
TheProgtologist wrote:
Has anyone seen Gibson's "Apocalypto" film?
I was interested in checking it out,the look of the movie is stunning. |
Very good movie.... all about a man's struggle to survive.... very well set in mayan time ... great costume reseacrh... great suspense.... a little bit of gore (not Al) as Mel seems to love since The Passion... I really recommend it...
I guess I'll have to see 300.... So many prog people can't be so wrong... .... I just hope it's not cgi-per-cgi's sake......
I agree that LOTR are epic movies... and quite THE epic movies at that... though the dialogues (specially in THE RETURN) fall in the cheesy side... 
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TheProgtologist
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Posted: July 30 2007 at 20:12 |
Has anyone seen Gibson's "Apocalypto" film?
I was interested in checking it out,the look of the movie is stunning.
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Posted: July 30 2007 at 20:07 |
Secret of the Incas - because Yma Sumac's in it.
(this film was the inspiration for all the Indiana Jones films)
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TheProgtologist
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Posted: July 30 2007 at 20:05 |
1800iareyay wrote:
TheProgtologist wrote:
It's weird that the only movies considered "epic" in this poll mostly are set in the ancient world.
What about The Godfather or a movie like Gettysburg? |
The thing about the Godfather is that it isn't really epic in the sense of mood and action. It's epic in length, but it's much more about the personal struggles of a family, particularly Michael Corleone. Same with Apocalypse Now. There is action and even some gore in both, but the real meat of the film is the look at the devolution of Willard (AN) and Michael (GF). LOTR is really the only action epic that I think really captures character development and personal struggles as well as it is captured on films like The Godfather, but then that is promarily attributable to Tolien's masterful writing.
T, see 300. It comes out on DVD tomorrow. Yes, it's full of CGI, and in some places it's quite obvious, but it literally looks like Miller's graphic novel come to life (same thing for Miller's SIn City). |
300 is awesome,you ought to at least rent it Teo.
I have my special edition copy pre-ordered and will be picking it up tomorrow morning. 
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Posted: July 30 2007 at 20:03 |
TheProgtologist wrote:
It's weird that the only movies considered "epic" in this poll mostly are set in the ancient world.
What about The Godfather or a movie like Gettysburg? |
The thing about the Godfather is that it isn't really epic in the sense of mood and action. It's epic in length, but it's much more about the personal struggles of a family, particularly Michael Corleone. Same with Apocalypse Now. There is action and even some gore in both, but the real meat of the film is the look at the devolution of Willard (AN) and Michael (GF). LOTR is really the only action epic that I think really captures character development and personal struggles as well as it is captured on films like The Godfather, but then that is promarily attributable to Tolien's masterful writing.
T, see 300. It comes out on DVD tomorrow. Yes, it's full of CGI, and in some places it's quite obvious, but it literally looks like Miller's graphic novel come to life (same thing for Miller's SIn City).
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Posted: July 30 2007 at 20:00 |
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Braveheart was utterly terrible from the historical perspective. For instance, the Scots were not dressed in rags and living in mud hovels. They lived similarly to everyone else in Europe. And I've read that in the one hundred years prior to this war, it had been relatively peaceful between Scotland and England (the film mentions "one hundred years of oppression").
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Another glaring factual error is the big battle scene in the movie.Historically it is called "The Battle of Sterling Bridge".and one of the reasons the Scots won it is because the English were on one side of the river and the Scots on the other.The English were crossing 1-2 thousand men at a time and instead of being "honorable" and letting the troops cross and marshal their forces the Scots cut them down when they crossed and the rest of the English forces looked on in horror.After witnessing the slaughter the remaining English forces fled to Sterling Castle.
Never saw a bridge or anything about it in the film,the battle was fought on a big,open plain.
Edited by TheProgtologist - July 30 2007 at 20:01
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Posted: July 30 2007 at 19:50 |
Hirgwath wrote:
Braveheart was utterly terrible from the historical perspective. For instance, the Scots were not dressed in rags and living in mud hovels. They lived similarly to everyone else in Europe. And I've read that in the one hundred years prior to this war, it had been relatively peaceful between Scotland and England (the film mentions "one hundred years of oppression").
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True, but it's still entertaining. 
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Posted: July 30 2007 at 19:39 |
Hirgwath wrote:
Braveheart was utterly terrible from the historical perspective. For instance, the Scots were not dressed in rags and living in mud hovels. They lived similarly to everyone else in Europe. And I've read that in the one hundred years prior to this war, it had been relatively peaceful between Scotland and England (the film mentions "one hundred years of oppression"). |
Yes, but I also think that the Celts fought in the nude, so...sacrifices have to be made
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Posted: July 30 2007 at 19:38 |
TheProgtologist wrote:
It's weird that the only movies considered "epic" in this poll mostly are set in the ancient world.
What about The Godfather or a movie like Gettysburg? |
The Deer Hunter & Apocalypse now redux. 2 of my all time fav war movies and they are both preety epic i whuld say. 
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Posted: July 30 2007 at 19:37 |
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Braveheart was utterly terrible from the historical perspective. For instance, the Scots were not dressed in rags and living in mud hovels. They lived similarly to everyone else in Europe. And I've read that in the one hundred years prior to this war, it had been relatively peaceful between Scotland and England (the film mentions "one hundred years of oppression").
Although The Last Samurai takes a few liberties with history, it does so in a realistic manner. We see the faults and the nice parts of the samurai way of life (instead of thoughtless glorification of the non-English, as in Braveheart...and The Patriot. Mel Gibson just seems to hate the Britons.), and a real sense of the effects of the West's intrusion into Japan (warts and all).
I liked Gladiator and Spartacus, but then who didn't? No complaints there.
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Posted: July 30 2007 at 19:07 |
I'll go with Star Wars - especially the old ones (so I've gone with 'others'). 'Spartacus' and 'The Vikings' are pretty nice epic movies too as is 'Braveheart'. And don't forget 'Jason and the Argonauts' and 'Clash of the Titans'. 'Kingdom of Heaven' is okay, even though Orlando Bloom just can't act. I don't know if Mel Gibson's and Kenneth Brannagh's versions of 'Hamlet' count as epics, but if they do, I'd recommend them too. Oh, and there's also 'Ben-Hur'. I guess 'Lord of the Rings' would belong here too. They're okay, although I was disappointed a bit with the third and second ones. Oh, and does 'Conan the Barbarian' count? How about 'The Neverending Story'? 'Willow'?
'Troy' on the other hand is terrible. One of the worst films I've ever seen. The last Samurai has it's moments, but is generally silly. If the Matrix movies count as epics too, then the first one's okay, but the two other ones are quite terrible.
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TheProgtologist
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Posted: July 30 2007 at 18:57 |
It's weird that the only movies considered "epic" in this poll mostly are set in the ancient world.
What about The Godfather or a movie like Gettysburg?
Edited by TheProgtologist - July 30 2007 at 18:57
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Posted: July 30 2007 at 18:53 |
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Braveheart & Gladiator.
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Posted: July 28 2007 at 12:50 |
Epic?...
"Fitzcarraldo" if you consider it...
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Posted: July 26 2007 at 18:41 |
Thats pretty damn disgusting, especially since Ryan is also my name.  .
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1 Chronicles 13:7-9
Then David and all Israel played music before God with all their might, with singing, on harps, on stringed instruments, on tambourines, on cymbals, and with trumpets.
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The T
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Posted: July 24 2007 at 20:53 |
Interesting poll....From the ones I've seen:
Troy : a decent movie, I liked it much more than the critic which panned it. I hate Orlando Bloom in that movie and Pitt is too much of a "celeb-Achilles" but O'Toole as King gives a lot of seriousness to this movie.
The Last Samurai: Very good movie, I actually love it, even though I have to rcognize a few flaws, the biggest one being that it's kind of diffcult to swallow the idea that a group of SAMURAIS could almost be LEAD by an american soldier, and that he happens to be the lone survivor in the final battle ... but full of atmosphere, NO CGI (there you have another proof that you CAN make big movies withoput using CGI for everything) and magic...
300: haven't seen it. The fact that is a cgi-fest scares me away from it.
Kingdom of Heaven: Orlando Bloom makes for an awful hero, no character, and suddenly he turns from simple farmer to the best military strategist ever... Salahadin has character, but Bloom lacks it... It's a shame the little time Jeremy Irons and Neeson have on-screen, for the take all the screen when they appear...
Gladiator: Good movie, at times it's only a fight movie with no story, no substance, but it's entertaining and well done... Some CGI scenes are so phony and fake it's not forgiveable (the first pan over Rome is ludicrous, you can SEE that it's a CGI effect)... Good, could've been better.
Spartacus: I'm one of the few who thinks this is Kubrick's worst movie alongside EYES WIDE SHUT.... Douglas slave has no character, that's no hero one can rally behind.... Peter Ustinov EATS him alive, that was THE actor...
The 13th Warrior: irrelevant little entertaining movie... actually, much better than I expected/...
The vikings : if it's the one with Kirk Douglas, well, it's kind of atrocious... but we can forgive its flaws, as it's an old movie in an era where some things were not there yet and when cinema was still coming out of the theater womb..... the vikings are too polite, everything phony...but entertaining, somewhat..
Braveheart: THE BEST. Clothes, story, acting, the era-investigation, you can see a lot of reseacrh went into the clothing, all the aspect that make you submerge in that era... Yes, the story of William Weallace may not be as the movie shos us,. but who cares, the movie tells a story and does it wonderfully,... fantastic and Mel Gibson's best.
There's a lot of other movies that should be on the list, but it's decent nevertheless... and entertaining... like some of these movies... 
Edited by The T - July 24 2007 at 20:54
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Posted: July 24 2007 at 20:38 |
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