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Sean Trane 
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 Topic: Which city Krautrocked most?
Posted: December 13 2007 at 07:32 |
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Posted: July 23 2007 at 17:31 |
 Sean Trane wrote:
Mönchengladbach is just on the outskirts of the Ruhr region but on the left bank. I thought of including them as well in the Ruhr, but as you say the Cosmic Jokers was Berliner. So I intentionally both (Wall and CJ) out left them out of both "cities", since there was enough to judge on the rest.
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Leaving CJ out is a wise choice, since that band actually never existed in the first place!!! But Wallenstein really makes me wonder. You could have included them in the exact (or closest) region they belong. Well, they wouldn't have changed my vote anyway, because the "holy trinity" of Göttsching-Schulze-Froese is enough for me to place my vote on Berlin, but Wallenstein is also an important figure in krautrock (at least German progressive scene, as you have intended) IMHO... And wherever they're actually from, their close sound to the initial Berlin movement (especially Ash Ra Tempel's debut) made me think they too were Berliner... Not to mention their 3rd album's title!!!
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As for Atlantis, we initially discussed this over a year ago, when I proposed both, but Frumpy was an immediate inclusion because fulkl-blown prog, where Atlantis was not quite as essential, because less proggy. I guess they could be entered into prog-related, though!! |
Well, after giving a listen to their self-titled album, I regret I proposed them  . There's little (if any) prog in it. I'll try to find & listen to the other albums, though...
Edited by Bilek - July 23 2007 at 17:52
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Listen to Turkish psych/prog; you won't regret:
Baris Manco,Erkin Koray,Cem Karaca,Mogollar,3 Hürel,Selda,Edip Akbayram,Fikret Kizilok,Ersen (and Dadaslar) (but stick with the '70's, and 'early 80's!)
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Posted: July 23 2007 at 13:46 |
ATLANTIS added more Blues and Funk elements to their music 
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Posted: July 23 2007 at 13:34 |
Sean Trane wrote:
 >> Martin is a native of the Area |
Oh - I wasn't aware of this ... German name but a french location(?) ... 
Bilek wrote:
Rivertree wrote:
BTW - WALLENSTEIN was founded in Mönchengladbach |
- where the heck is that, then ? |
Even Mönchengladbach is not the whole truth - to say it exactly: it was Viersen (not far away) and okay - this can be allocated to the Ruhrgebiet by any means ...
Sean Trane wrote:
As for Atlantis, we initially discussed this over a year ago, when I proposed both, but Frumpy was an immediate inclusion because fulkl-blown prog, where Atlantis was not quite as essential, because less proggy. I guess they could be entered into prog-related, though!! |
What the hell is fulkl-blown prog???????????????
Edited by Rivertree - July 23 2007 at 13:41
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Posted: July 23 2007 at 03:59 |
Bilek wrote:
Rivertree wrote:
BTW - WALLENSTEIN was founded in Mönchengladbach
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- where the heck is that, then  ?
- more importantly, why are Wallenstein (at least in their first 3 albums) are closer to the Berlin sound, and 3/4 of their members played in projects mostly carried out by Berliner musicians?!?!? (Tarot, Cosmic Jokers)
- to add to the confusion, Mr. Harald Grosskopf joined Ashra later on, the Berlin band IMHO  (and his first solo album is pretty much parallel to Schulze's sound of the time, as well as Tangerine Dream's!) - I guess I'm too much obsessed with Berlin bands these days |
Mönchengladbach is just on the outskirts of the Ruhr region but on the left bank. I thought of including them as well in the Ruhr, but as you say the Cosmic Jokers was Berliner. So I intentionally both (Wall and CJ) out left them out of both "cities", since there was enough to judge on the rest.
As for Atlantis, we initially discussed this over a year ago, when I proposed both, but Frumpy was an immediate inclusion because fulkl-blown prog, where Atlantis was not quite as essential, because less proggy. I guess they could be entered into prog-related, though!!
Edited by Sean Trane - July 23 2007 at 04:03
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let's just stay above the moral melee
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keep our sand-castle virtues
content to be a doer
as well as a thinker,
prefer lifting our pen
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Posted: July 22 2007 at 19:36 |
Rivertree wrote:
BTW - WALLENSTEIN was founded in Mönchengladbach
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- where the heck is that, then ?
- more importantly, why are Wallenstein (at least in their first 3 albums) are closer to the Berlin sound, and 3/4 of their members played in projects mostly carried out by Berliner musicians?!?!? (Tarot, Cosmic Jokers)
- to add to the confusion, Mr. Harald Grosskopf joined Ashra later on, the Berlin band IMHO (and his first solo album is pretty much parallel to Schulze's sound of the time, as well as Tangerine Dream's!) - I guess I'm too much obsessed with Berlin bands these days
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Listen to Turkish psych/prog; you won't regret:
Baris Manco,Erkin Koray,Cem Karaca,Mogollar,3 Hürel,Selda,Edip Akbayram,Fikret Kizilok,Ersen (and Dadaslar) (but stick with the '70's, and 'early 80's!)
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Posted: July 22 2007 at 11:08 |
Indeed a very intersesting thread
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Posted: July 22 2007 at 10:23 |
Bilek wrote:
All of the bands mentioned above have shown Krautrock characterstics (at least to a certain extent) at a certain point in their career, mostly in the beginning. |
No contradiction 
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And any German band being referred to as kraut is not unusual in musical circles... |
That's boring indeed .... BTW - WALLENSTEIN was founded in Mönchengladbach
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Posted: July 22 2007 at 08:20 |
Sean Trane wrote:
70's only, which city krautrocked more?
read below which groups originated from which city.
Berlin – Tangerine Dream, Agitation Free, Ash Ra Tempel, Birth Control, Cluster, Emtidi, Os Mundi, Murphy Blend, Froese, Schulze, Hoenig, Gotsching, etc…
Munich – Amon Duul (II), Between, Deuter, Embryo, Emergency, Missing Link, Out Of Focus, Popol Vuh, Sahara/Subj Esq, Sparifankel
Ruhr region (Essen, Duisburg, Düsseldorf & Dortmund) – Grobschnitt, Hoelderlin, Epitath, Streetmark, Kraftwerk, LA-Düsseldorf, Neu!, Broselmachine
Stuttgart (black forest) – Anyone's Daughter, Gila, Kraan (in the region), Siddartha
Cologne/Bonn – Floh De Cologne, Can, Eiliff, Gomorrha, Triumvirat, studios of Dieter Dierks and Conny Plank's studio as well.
Hesse (Frankfurth to Upper Rhein region) – Guru Guru, Octopus, Xhol, Nosferatu, 2066 &Then, Epsilon, Pell Mell, Nine Day's Wonder, Kin Pin Meh, Brainstorm
Hamburg – Ardo Bombec, Atlantis, Frumpy, Cornucopia, Faust, Lucifer's Friend, Novalis, Ougenweide, Release Music Orchestra
Hannover – Eloy, Scorpions, Jane
Bremen – Parzival, Thirsty Moon
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btw, has anyone noticed that Atlantis is not in the archives?!?!? I still haven't listened to them, but they are usually referred to as prog, and I know it's like continuation of Frumpy... Any ideas?!?!?
(Scorpions' case is different... They are OK to be in the above list just for the sake of one album, which is clearly not enough for inclusion in PA )
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Listen to Turkish psych/prog; you won't regret:
Baris Manco,Erkin Koray,Cem Karaca,Mogollar,3 Hürel,Selda,Edip Akbayram,Fikret Kizilok,Ersen (and Dadaslar) (but stick with the '70's, and 'early 80's!)
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Posted: July 22 2007 at 08:14 |
Rivertree wrote:
My problem is that some bands are given by Hugues are not fitting into the PA Krautrock category (Embryo, Kraan, Birth Control, Grobschnitt, Tangerine Dream etc.).
- Sorry - don't want to force a new discussion about multiple subgenres ...
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Not bringing the multiple subgenres thing (actually I prefer subgenre by album, which is like utopia these days!), just to mention an important point:
All of the bands mentioned above have shown Krautrock characterstics (at least to a certain extent) at a certain point in their career, mostly in the beginning. Seeing that especially Berlin and Düsseldorf schools give birth to the entire prog-electronics genre, it's only natural that Tangerine Dream (and others like Kraftwerk, Klaus Schulze etc.) are lumped into krautrock basket, actully all these started out as the definitive examples of the kraut sound, and then evolved/turned towards/gave rise to other genres...
Novalis or Jane would have been better examples of German bands that are not representatives of Krautrock sound, IMHO  And any German band being referred to as kraut is not unusual in musical circles...
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Listen to Turkish psych/prog; you won't regret:
Baris Manco,Erkin Koray,Cem Karaca,Mogollar,3 Hürel,Selda,Edip Akbayram,Fikret Kizilok,Ersen (and Dadaslar) (but stick with the '70's, and 'early 80's!)
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Posted: July 22 2007 at 06:22 |
A very good thread indeed even for a german fellow. Polling is quite hard but the info which is given within the posts is interesting to read anyhow. I voted for Berlin because of the electronic pioniers around Cluster, Ashra Tempel, Tangerine Dream and the space/psychedelic Agitation Free. Some buddies have also mentioned the special political situation in Berlin. Stommeln is 20 km away from Cologne, belongs to Pulheim and the Cologne region! Nice info about the Essener Songtage 1968, Martin - what a great variety - a program consisting of Dunja Rajter, Degenhardt and Amon Düül. I'm astonished about your eccellent (geographical) knowledge. My problem is that some bands are given by Hugues are not fitting into the PA Krautrock category (Embryo, Kraan, Birth Control, Grobschnitt, Tangerine Dream etc.). - Sorry - don't want to force a new discussion about multiple subgenres ...
Edited by Rivertree - July 22 2007 at 06:47
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Posted: July 21 2007 at 11:19 |
Sean Trane wrote:
micky wrote:
now these are the kind of threads that still make this site visiting rather than reading about favorite prog guitar solo or some sh*t like that.
great thread guys.. Informational as hell
Maybe Mandy will whip us us a similar thread for RPI. Say a Roma v. Genova v Napole poll 
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 GREAT IDEA, MICKY!!!!
I was about to propose this was done for a few other countries, but one has to remain in a given decade.
Might as well start with Italy!!!
Heve a few more clappies!!!
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Kraut is enough for thinking man !
btw, another clappy from me to Bald Friede... Long time no see
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Listen to Turkish psych/prog; you won't regret:
Baris Manco,Erkin Koray,Cem Karaca,Mogollar,3 Hürel,Selda,Edip Akbayram,Fikret Kizilok,Ersen (and Dadaslar) (but stick with the '70's, and 'early 80's!)
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Posted: July 21 2007 at 10:00 |
Hemel Hempstead - home of I.E.M. 
Actually, it's difficult to call, unlike Liverpool and San Francisco there isn't a definitive Berlin or Munich sound - it's more like Canterbury which is a regional grouping rather than tonal one. (oh, just discovered I've already voted here - just cannot remember whichone I voted for - probably Berlin)
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Posted: July 21 2007 at 09:37 |
Sean Trane wrote:
micky wrote:
now these are the kind of threads that still make this site visiting rather than reading about favorite prog guitar solo or some sh*t like that.
great thread guys.. Informational as hell
Maybe Mandy will whip us us a similar thread for RPI. Say a Roma v. Genova v Napole poll
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GREAT IDEA, MICKY!!!!
I was about to propose this was done for a few other countries, but one has to remain in a given decade.
Might as well start with Italy!!!
Heve a few more clappies!!!
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thanks I love clappies hahha..... Raff and I are kicking around bands and cities right now hahha
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The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip
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Posted: July 21 2007 at 09:33 |
BaldFriede wrote:
Cologne, because of the studios of Can, Conny Plank and Dieter Dierks. Even the Berlin bands came to the studios of Plank and Dierks. |
And accessorily, this is where our favorite couple lives and rocks
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let's just stay above the moral melee
prefer the sink to the gutter
keep our sand-castle virtues
content to be a doer
as well as a thinker,
prefer lifting our pen
rather than un-sheath our sword
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Posted: July 21 2007 at 09:02 |
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Cologne, because of the studios of Can, Conny Plank and Dieter Dierks. Even the Berlin bands came to the studios of Plank and Dierks.
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 BaldJean and I; I am the one in blue.
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Posted: July 21 2007 at 08:10 |
micky wrote:
now these are the kind of threads that still make this site visiting rather than reading about favorite prog guitar solo or some sh*t like that.
great thread guys.. Informational as hell
Maybe Mandy will whip us us a similar thread for RPI. Say a Roma v. Genova v Napole poll
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GREAT IDEA, MICKY!!!!
I was about to propose this was done for a few other countries, but one has to remain in a given decade.
Might as well start with Italy!!!
Heve a few more clappies!!!
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let's just stay above the moral melee
prefer the sink to the gutter
keep our sand-castle virtues
content to be a doer
as well as a thinker,
prefer lifting our pen
rather than un-sheath our sword
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Posted: July 21 2007 at 03:50 |
- Berlin
- Munich
- Cologne
- Hannover
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Posted: July 20 2007 at 22:15 |
now these are the kind of threads that still make this site visiting rather than reading about favorite prog guitar solo or some sh*t like that. great thread guys.. Informational as hell Maybe Mandy will whip us us a similar thread for RPI. Say a Roma v. Genova v Napole poll
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The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip
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Posted: July 20 2007 at 22:06 |
Sadly, this thread (poll) has been left forgotten!
Are there really that little krautrockers!?!?!?
I hope this move gives a little excitement btw, we (Berliners!) are ahead by one vote! Fans of other cities might want to step in and change the score
One more thing- I seriously ask the question: where are Wallenstein actually from? I cannot find enough info about them. I always thought of them as a Berlin band, and their members' interactions suggest so (Harald Grosskopf, Cosmic Jokers etc.)
(and whereever they are from, this will not influence my decision...)
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Listen to Turkish psych/prog; you won't regret:
Baris Manco,Erkin Koray,Cem Karaca,Mogollar,3 Hürel,Selda,Edip Akbayram,Fikret Kizilok,Ersen (and Dadaslar) (but stick with the '70's, and 'early 80's!)
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