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micky 
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Posted: June 27 2007 at 08:30 |
 paloz wrote:
It depends. I think some groups shouldn't appear in a prog site, like Led Zeppelin (my heroes, but still Hard Rock and NOT prog) or others like that... |
if you discount the theory that Zeppelin was not included only on the basis of web hits and bringing the acne scarred youth in to the site so we could trap them with killer RPI albums and idiots dancing around on stage dressed as flowers... I think the intent of their inclusion was to show the way that prog.. influenced other bands that were not... nor never tried to be prog bands.
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paloz
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Posted: June 27 2007 at 08:26 |
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It depends. I think some groups shouldn't appear in a prog site, like Led Zeppelin (my heroes, but still Hard Rock and NOT prog) or others like that...
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Melomaniac
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Posted: June 26 2007 at 17:42 |
darqdean wrote:
Prog Police, I like that  - their sirens are in 13/16 time and last 15 minutes. |
One of the funniest posts this year !
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"One likes to believe in the freedom of Music" - Neil Peart, The Spirit of Radio
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StyLaZyn
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Posted: June 26 2007 at 12:38 |
darqdean wrote:
Prog Police, I like that - their sirens are in 13/16 time and last 15 minutes. |
You get 4 clappies for that.
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TheProgtologist
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Posted: June 26 2007 at 12:29 |
This poll has been done quite a few times,but I will let this one open for now.
Just remember guys,the OWNERS of this site want the Proto and PR categories here,so they are here to stay,regardless of public opinion.
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Dean
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Posted: June 26 2007 at 12:29 |
Prog Police, I like that - their sirens are in 13/16 time and last 15 minutes.
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What?
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kenethlevine
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Posted: June 26 2007 at 12:24 |
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I think we should be adding not taking away. If there is any doubt about whether a band should be in, then they should be in. There are still many bands that should be included that aren't. That should be the focus, rather than the prog police weeding out bands.
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Melomaniac
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Posted: June 26 2007 at 11:16 |
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They should definitely be kept here. There are a few treasures there, and it shows just how big the prog family is, where it comes from, and where it goes. Removing these categories would be blasphemy in my opinion.
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"One likes to believe in the freedom of Music" - Neil Peart, The Spirit of Radio
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StyLaZyn
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Posted: June 26 2007 at 11:14 |
They should be kept. Finding new (to you) music is a great thing. I thank this website for the discovery of countless bands, Prog AND non-Prog.
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A B Negative
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Posted: June 26 2007 at 11:11 |
If you're not keen on prog related and proto prog, ignore it.
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"The disgusting stink of a too-loud electric guitar.... Now, that's my idea of a good time."
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BroSpence
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Posted: June 25 2007 at 19:24 |
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No. They are a great part of the site. It doesn't really effect the state of prog either so why worry. I mean Genesis is still going to sound good, and King Crimson will still be good. Its just a few bands that are influences or influenced by progressive rock. So why not include them? If I were new here I'd wanna know some of the bands that helped spark a genre or who was influenced by something I am newly interested in. It helps with putting things in context and in general there is that much more to learn and understand.
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Dean
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Posted: June 25 2007 at 17:33 |
Prog-related is a bit of a mess to be honest, but mostly harmless.
Proto is so small, (and let's face it - it's never going to get that much bigger), no one would be able to find it to remove it anyway. 
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What?
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darkmatter
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Posted: June 25 2007 at 17:27 |
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No, I think they are fine where they are.
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Ryth
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Posted: June 25 2007 at 17:23 |
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Definitely not.
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gong
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Posted: June 25 2007 at 15:02 |
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yeah, IMO.
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unclemeat69
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Posted: June 25 2007 at 14:22 |
I voted no.
however, Iron Maiden are on here, I fail to see why.
Mercyful Fate (proto-prog metal perhaps?) are not on here, I fail to see why.
My point is basically that different people might see different things
in different bands. One of the most conservative (as in not progressing
in any way) bands must be Iron Maiden, I used to like 'em when I was
much younger, until I realised they reused the same three chords all
the time (for those of you with some knowledge of music theory it's
I-VI-VII eg E-C-D).
As for DT who are also here, I never really liked them all that much (I
do like Meshuggah so the loud music doesn't bother me), because it
always reminds of other music, Metallica is popular so DT start
sounding like them, Meshuggah is the next hot thing, so DT have to
sound like them. on Octavarium there's a pop-ballad! that sounds like
ROBBIE WILLIAMS!!!!    when will they start sounding like themselves?? Apparently a lot of you like them anyway 
But I still like seeing a wide variety of proggy stuff (some of it,
especially the older stuff was actually truly progressive, as in
progressing through unchartered territory, boldly going where no band
has gone before  )
Edited by unclemeat69 - June 25 2007 at 14:36
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Follow your bliss
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R o V e R
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Posted: June 25 2007 at 12:52 |
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check out this site
http://vintageprog.com/
if link is not working, cut and paste on your browser
Edited by R o V e R - June 25 2007 at 12:52
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tardis
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Posted: June 25 2007 at 12:44 |
micky wrote:
patomtz wrote:
Because all that talking of changin this site into ProgMusic Site, I mean, that is true, Iron Maiden? The Doors? Beatles? Deep Purple? Rainbow? (prog related and proto prog), al those bands are really incredible and they all are history, but, do they need to be included?? IMO I dont think so, Im at this site since the beginin!! and it was awesome to see just pure Progressive Rock and the subgenres!! not the influences, I will really like to change this site to what it was, that is my opinion! what do you think? feel free to discuss
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all the talk about changing the name is as stupid as worrying about PR and it's additions...
it's here and it's staying.... and if it is... then the job is to do it right...
they do need to be included... for those who think that Iron Maiden and Metallica aren't at least PR'd... there are those who do. Where bad things happen is when people take it personally..usually a reflection of their thinking that they know prog and others don't hahha.
there is no such thing as pure progressive rock.... what it is... and how to define it is up to the listener. That is why the site is an inclusive site.
feel like a broken record here...
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I still can't figure out what it is 
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micky
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Posted: June 25 2007 at 09:01 |
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^ thanks a hell of a lot... I just spent the last ...whatever posting in the area trying to bury this damn thread.
it doesn't belong here in this area.... it needs to be moved
and the owners want PR and PP...so it is staying.
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dedokras
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Posted: June 25 2007 at 08:58 |
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IMO removing these bands would not be proggressive at all, especially if we assume prog is about ignoring borders and merging different styles and influences.
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