Prog Related and Proto Prog
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Forum Name: Proto-Prog and Prog-Related Lounge
Forum Description: Discuss bands and albums classified as Proto-Prog and Prog-Related
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Topic: Prog Related and Proto Prog
Posted By: patomtz
Subject: Prog Related and Proto Prog
Date Posted: June 25 2007 at 01:19
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Because all that talking of changin this site into ProgMusic Site, I mean, that is true, Iron Maiden? The Doors? Beatles? Deep Purple? Rainbow? (prog related and proto prog), al those bands are really incredible and they all are history, but, do they need to be included?? IMO I dont think so, Im at this site since the beginin!! and it was awesome to see just pure Progressive Rock and the subgenres!! not the influences, I will really like to change this site to what it was, that is my opinion! what do you think? feel free to discuss
Keep proggin ------------- I still can't get how Dream Theater music is created by humans Dream Theater in Monterrey, Mexico 03.03.06 Unforgettable 
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Posted By: Ricochet
Date Posted: June 25 2007 at 01:40
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no.
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Posted By: tardis
Date Posted: June 25 2007 at 02:08
| Yes |
Posted By: ProgKirk
Date Posted: June 25 2007 at 02:54
| I thinks it's essential to know about the influences, since they play a certain role in the development of progressive music. Even if they aren't pure progressive. So no! |
Posted By: micky
Date Posted: June 25 2007 at 02:56
all the talk about changing the name is as stupid as worrying about PR and it's additions... it's here and it's staying.... and if it is... then the job is to do it right... they do need to be included... for those who think that Iron Maiden and Metallica aren't at least PR'd... there are those who do. Where bad things happen is when people take it personally..usually a reflection of their thinking that they know prog and others don't hahha. there is no such thing as pure progressive rock.... what it is... and how to define it is up to the listener. That is why the site is an inclusive site. feel like a broken record here... |
patomtz wrote:Posted By: toolis
Date Posted: June 25 2007 at 02:59
yes, you are right abou that... but if we follow that, almost every genre of music should be here since every musician had their influences from dif konds of music... Wilson's greatest influence is Drake and i don't see him in here (thnk God), why should Led Zeppelin be here? i voted for yes... ------------- -music is like pornography... sometimes amateurs turn us on, even more... -sometimes you are the pigeon and sometimes you are the statue... |
Posted By: micky
Date Posted: June 25 2007 at 03:04
your post made no sense..... he was talking about broad trends ... usually for sub-genres or the prog movement as a whole.. not individual artists. Find a PR addition that influenced one artist in particular. Zeppelin is here because they were prog-influenced.... did I agree with the addtion...No.... does it make sense though as the owners want it defined... yes... do I really care if they are here or not.... not one damn bit. |
Posted By: The Rock
Date Posted: June 25 2007 at 03:10
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Nope.
They are fine here and still belong.Prog related bands all have prog aspects in their music and without proto there wouldn't be prog.
Oh and btw,when will GOLDEN EARRING be in????
They should be in PA big time. ------------- What's gonna come out of my mouth is gonna come out of my soul."Skip Prokop" |
Posted By: toolis
Date Posted: June 25 2007 at 03:13
there's a different reason why bands like Zeppelin, DP, IM etc are in here... and it's the same reason why bands like Soul Cages and many others that people here have been suggesting for inclusion and they are PURE prog... i know that reason and you know that reason...  ------------- -music is like pornography... sometimes amateurs turn us on, even more... -sometimes you are the pigeon and sometimes you are the statue... |
Posted By: Mandrakeroot
Date Posted: June 25 2007 at 05:33
But in Prog Related there are some bands that define Prog Related... ------------- 
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Posted By: Atavachron
Date Posted: June 25 2007 at 05:40
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no no no
what's the big flippin deal, I like proto prog, it's good music and vital to prog development.. the Beatles;essential. Giles,Giles&Fripp;hmm, no Crimson without them... |
Posted By: ozzy_tom
Date Posted: June 25 2007 at 06:08
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No, they shouldn't be removed. -------------  
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Posted By: Mellotron Storm
Date Posted: June 25 2007 at 07:30
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I don't think any bands should be removed.And if anything i would add more borderline prog bands.Although it depends what the goal of this site is right? If it's to get more people into prog, then be more inclusive. ------------- "The wind is slowly tearing her apart" "Sad Rain" ANEKDOTEN |
Posted By: Spacemac
Date Posted: June 25 2007 at 07:32
| No |
Posted By: dedokras
Date Posted: June 25 2007 at 08:58
| IMO removing these bands would not be proggressive at all, especially if we assume prog is about ignoring borders and merging different styles and influences. |
Posted By: micky
Date Posted: June 25 2007 at 09:01
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^ thanks a hell of a lot... I just spent the last ...whatever posting in the area trying to bury this damn thread. it doesn't belong here in this area.... it needs to be moved and the owners want PR and PP...so it is staying. |
Posted By: tardis
Date Posted: June 25 2007 at 12:44
I still can't figure out what it is |
Posted By: R o V e R
Date Posted: June 25 2007 at 12:52
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check out this site
http://vintageprog.com/ if link is not working, cut and paste on your browser |
Posted By: unclemeat69
Date Posted: June 25 2007 at 14:22
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I voted no. however, Iron Maiden are on here, I fail to see why. Mercyful Fate (proto-prog metal perhaps?) are not on here, I fail to see why. My point is basically that different people might see different things in different bands. One of the most conservative (as in not progressing in any way) bands must be Iron Maiden, I used to like 'em when I was much younger, until I realised they reused the same three chords all the time (for those of you with some knowledge of music theory it's I-VI-VII eg E-C-D). As for DT who are also here, I never really liked them all that much (I do like Meshuggah so the loud music doesn't bother me), because it always reminds of other music, Metallica is popular so DT start sounding like them, Meshuggah is the next hot thing, so DT have to sound like them. on Octavarium there's a pop-ballad! that sounds like ROBBIE WILLIAMS!!!!    when will they start sounding like themselves?? Apparently a lot of you like them anyway But I still like seeing a wide variety of proggy stuff (some of it, especially the older stuff was actually truly progressive, as in progressing through unchartered territory, boldly going where no band has gone before  )------------- Follow your bliss |
Posted By: gong
Date Posted: June 25 2007 at 15:02
| yeah, IMO. |
Posted By: Ryth
Date Posted: June 25 2007 at 17:23
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Definitely not. ------------- http://rateyourmusic.com/~Ryth"> 
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Posted By: darkmatter
Date Posted: June 25 2007 at 17:27
| No, I think they are fine where they are. |
Posted By: Dean
Date Posted: June 25 2007 at 17:33
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Prog-related is a bit of a mess to be honest, but mostly harmless.
Proto is so small, (and let's face it - it's never going to get that much bigger), no one would be able to find it to remove it anyway.
No, it's okay - it slipped down the back of the sofa.
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Posted By: BroSpence
Date Posted: June 25 2007 at 19:24
| No. They are a great part of the site. It doesn't really effect the state of prog either so why worry. I mean Genesis is still going to sound good, and King Crimson will still be good. Its just a few bands that are influences or influenced by progressive rock. So why not include them? If I were new here I'd wanna know some of the bands that helped spark a genre or who was influenced by something I am newly interested in. It helps with putting things in context and in general there is that much more to learn and understand. |
Posted By: A B Negative
Date Posted: June 26 2007 at 11:11
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If you're not keen on prog related and proto prog, ignore it.
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Posted By: StyLaZyn
Date Posted: June 26 2007 at 11:14
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They should be kept. Finding new (to you) music is a great thing. I thank this website for the discovery of countless bands, Prog AND non-Prog.
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Posted By: Melomaniac
Date Posted: June 26 2007 at 11:16
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They should definitely be kept here. There are a few treasures there, and it shows just how big the prog family is, where it comes from, and where it goes. Removing these categories would be blasphemy in my opinion. ------------- "One likes to believe in the freedom of Music" - Neil Peart, The Spirit of Radio |
Posted By: kenethlevine
Date Posted: June 26 2007 at 12:24
| I think we should be adding not taking away. If there is any doubt about whether a band should be in, then they should be in. There are still many bands that should be included that aren't. That should be the focus, rather than the prog police weeding out bands. |
Posted By: Dean
Date Posted: June 26 2007 at 12:29
Prog Police, I like that  - their sirens are in 13/16 time and last 15 minutes.------------- What? |
Posted By: TheProgtologist
Date Posted: June 26 2007 at 12:29
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This poll has been done quite a few times,but I will let this one open for now.
Just remember guys,the OWNERS of this site want the Proto and PR categories here,so they are here to stay,regardless of public opinion. -------------  |
Posted By: StyLaZyn
Date Posted: June 26 2007 at 12:38
 You get 4 clappies for that.
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Posted By: Melomaniac
Date Posted: June 26 2007 at 17:42
One of the funniest posts this year ! ------------- "One likes to believe in the freedom of Music" - Neil Peart, The Spirit of Radio |
Posted By: paloz
Date Posted: June 27 2007 at 08:26
| It depends. I think some groups shouldn't appear in a prog site, like Led Zeppelin (my heroes, but still Hard Rock and NOT prog) or others like that... |
Posted By: micky
Date Posted: June 27 2007 at 08:30
if you discount the theory that Zeppelin was not included only on the basis of web hits and bringing the acne scarred youth in to the site so we could trap them with killer RPI albums and idiots dancing around on stage dressed as flowers... I think the intent of their inclusion was to show the way that prog.. influenced other bands that were not... nor never tried to be prog bands. |