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Certif1ed 
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Posted: November 21 2005 at 08:00 |
 richardh wrote:
They are more prog than many artists included here (ie Queen,Vangelis,Tangerine Dream and Kate Bush).
Queen - ROCK/POP BAND
Vangelis and Tangerine Dream- Electronic Music
Kate Bush - POP
Muse have never gone for a POP style like Queen (as yet anyway).They are fearless in their intent to create different moods and atmospheres.Absolution is a frighteningly good album that has more prog elements than you can shake a stick at.And they ROCK!!
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That's just silly - MUSE more prog than Queen?
Surely you mean MUSE are more prog than most Queen post 1980?
MUSE have never written the equivalent of Queen II - a perfect prog album in every sense except side-long epics, ANATO - or even a confection like "Innuendo".
Still, watch this space, as they say... 
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Posted: November 20 2005 at 20:02 |
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I think it's better to stick to sentences that have some logical meaning.
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Posted: November 20 2005 at 18:43 |
True, and if we put rubbish like Radiohead in, then Muse must follow.
Or we could just stick to music!
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Posted: November 20 2005 at 16:20 |
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i dunno, whatever.
but they are pretty damn similar to radiohead.
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Posted: November 20 2005 at 16:13 |
Muse should be in here ... and Coheed and Cambria 
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Originally posted by darkshade:
Calling Mike Portnoy a bad drummer is like calling Stephen Hawking an idiot.
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Posted: November 20 2005 at 16:06 |
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Avant Rock/Pop. IMO This genre should be introduced to the archives, and half of the band currently categorized as Art Rock should be moved there. Including Muse ...
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richardh
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Posted: November 20 2005 at 15:56 |
They are more prog than many artists included here (ie Queen,Vangelis,Tangerine Dream and Kate Bush).
Queen - ROCK/POP BAND
Vangelis and Tangerine Dream- Electronic Music
Kate Bush - POP
Muse have never gone for a POP style like Queen (as yet anyway).They are fearless in their intent to create different moods and atmospheres.Absolution is a frighteningly good album that has more prog elements than you can shake a stick at.And they ROCK!!
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Gentle Ronnie
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Posted: November 20 2005 at 15:04 |
Despite being artsy, I find them to be pretty mediocre and uninspiring.
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Posted: November 19 2005 at 17:29 |
Badabec wrote:
Certif1ed wrote:
Badabec wrote:
gok22us wrote:
Muse are art rock. |
 lol
You don't know what you're talking about...
Muse isn't progressive so you shouldn't find it on this site.
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Can you justify either statement?
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I can.
1.) Muse has no complex structures, it is very minimalistic.
Complex Structures are not a deciding feature of Prog Rock.
Muse aren't minimalistic - you'll have every Minimalist up in arms over that one! They do interesting things with standard song structures - that's about it as far as structure goes.
2.) Muse doesn't think about using odd time-signatures.
Using odd time signatures for the sake of it is sooo boring - and not very progressive - Stravinsky was doing it decades ago. This is one of the weakest (and most popular) arguments for deciding the progginess of a band. Who cares if a band plays in 31/16? The question is "Is it Prog?".
Time signatures are not a deciding feature of Prog Rock (or Prog-related) either, just one of a couple of dozen possible ingredients.
3.) Muse doesn't do anything new like the 70's avantgardists.
Jolly good job too - if they did, then they definitely wouldn't be progressive - they'd be regressive! What's the point of re-hashing what went before? That's not the point of Prog Rock.
Besides for me every song sounds the same way so in my opinion this band isn't good.
OK, that's your opinion, and it took me a while to get into the Muse sound too - but I think the reason it starts off sounding samey is because they do have their very own unique sound, and you have to listen repeatedly to get the subtleties.
Which in itself is very typical of Prog Rock.
However, to counter the "Samey" argument, listen to "Hysteria", then "Absolution" and tell me the two songs sound the same
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Badabec
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Posted: November 19 2005 at 17:05 |
I can.
1.) Muse has no complex structures, it is very minimalistic.
2.) Muse doesn't think about using odd time-signatures.
3.) Muse doesn't do anything new like the 70's avantgardists.
Besides for me every song sounds the same way so in my opinion this band isn't good.
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Posted: November 19 2005 at 16:15 |
Badabec wrote:
gok22us wrote:
Muse are art rock. |
lol
You don't know what you're talking about...
Muse isn't progressive so you shouldn't find it on this site.
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I find it very annoying when people make these sort of statements without even bothering to justify their words.
Personally speaking, I think Muse should be here- their album 'Absolution' was pure prog, imo- but I feel there are other acts that should be here first.
But I see Muse as a prog band that has a foot in the heavy rock camp (much like Uriah Heep, Styx or Rush in that respect, even though they sound like none of these). They have all the elements- such as great solos and complex musicianship, concepts, an element of bombast, even Hipgnosis artwork for 'Absolution'- and as such, unjustified arguments that they aren't prog seem futile to me.
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Posted: November 19 2005 at 11:18 |
Badabec wrote:
gok22us wrote:
Muse are art rock. |
lol
You don't know what you're talking about...
Muse isn't progressive so you shouldn't find it on this site.
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Can you justify either statement?
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Badabec
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Posted: November 19 2005 at 09:27 |
gok22us wrote:
Muse are art rock. |
lol
You don't know what you're talking about...
Muse isn't progressive so you shouldn't find it on this site.
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Rosescar
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Posted: November 08 2005 at 11:42 |
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Music isn't really that prog, it's more as the next step to reaching prog rock.
Anyway, they basically take rock music, then make it sounds slightly
different than the usual stuff you hear, but their music is just
slightly more complex than Linkin Park's.
The addition of 'classical parts' isn't an argument either, because if
it was we could just add Yngwie Malmsteen and the whole neo-Classical
metal scene rightaway.
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Posted: November 05 2005 at 15:58 |
Prog_Bassist wrote:
I think they should at least be in the new "Prog Related" column. cuz they're art rock to me, but even if you dont think so, they are pretty damn related to prog or art rock. |
for sure. Muse have all the epicness of Yes, Genesis, or whoever the hell you listen to. However, they do it all in 5 minutes or less. They have a unique, and recognizable sound. Their music is experimental and progressive and spirit.
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Posted: November 05 2005 at 15:52 |
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I think they should at least be in the new "Prog Related" column. cuz they're art rock to me, but even if you dont think so, they are pretty damn related to prog or art rock.
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gok22us
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Posted: November 05 2005 at 15:50 |
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Muse are art rock.
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Posted: November 05 2005 at 14:00 |
Sean Trane wrote:
NONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONO!!!!!! |
You know Hugues, this sort of indecisive remark is not helping anybody ... make up your mind!
Good Lord ... it's roughly 40 something for and 50 something against
... must be something to it ...
I'll check our collection out ...
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think my wife's got 3 albums ... seriously, more and more of her
collection is making its way on here ... Radiohead, Sigur Ros, Mogwai,
Super Furry Animals ... what next? ... Suede, Coldplay, Gomez?
I draw the line at Elastica! 
Edited by Trotsky
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Posted: November 04 2005 at 10:43 |
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NONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONO!!!!!!
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let's just stay above the moral melee
prefer the sink to the gutter
keep our sand-castle virtues
content to be a doer
as well as a thinker,
prefer lifting our pen
rather than un-sheath our sword
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Posted: November 04 2005 at 08:10 |
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Im not very fussed on them!
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