Petition for Muse to be in progarchives!!
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Category: Progressive Music Lounges
Forum Name: Suggest New Bands and Artists
Forum Description: Suggest, create polls, and classify new bands you would like included on Prog Archives
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Topic: Petition for Muse to be in progarchives!!
Posted By: Prog_Bassist
Subject: Petition for Muse to be in progarchives!!
Date Posted: February 13 2005 at 16:30
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Muse should definetly be in the archives. Especially if Radiohead is, because Muse (if you ask me) has more prog elements in them then radiohead.
Just listen to Butterflies and Hurricanes. Art Rock. ------------- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uhuxaD8NzaY" rel="nofollow - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uhuxaD8NzaY |
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Posted By: Certif1ed
Date Posted: February 13 2005 at 16:40
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I voted Yes, even though this has come up before - quite recently - and I don't really think Muse are prog... but they could be, and they're certainly one of the most bombastic bands around today. I don't think they have nearly as many progressive elements as Radiohead, though - they have produced no equivalent of "Kid A", for example. |
Posted By: Prog_Bassist
Date Posted: February 13 2005 at 16:47
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I didn't know about another topic like this, cuz I wasnt here for a couple weeks. ------------- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uhuxaD8NzaY" rel="nofollow - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uhuxaD8NzaY |
Posted By: Easy Livin
Date Posted: February 13 2005 at 16:49
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PB, I'm not keen on the argument which say X band should be here because Y band are. Each band should be judged on their own merits. I'm not very familiar with Muse. Can you make a case for them based on their music alone, assessed against the description of art rock in the "Prog rock?" section? I think that might be more persuasive than comparing them to Radiohead. |
Posted By: Prog_Bassist
Date Posted: February 13 2005 at 17:13
I already suggested Butterflies and Hurricanes. And despite the fact I said cuz Radiohead are here, I didn't mean just for that reason. I think they are quite Art Rock. But if it's just my opinion, then so be it. ------------- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uhuxaD8NzaY" rel="nofollow - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uhuxaD8NzaY |
Easy Livin wrote:Posted By: alan_pfeifer
Date Posted: February 13 2005 at 17:21
| I don't think they should be included. While they do share many similarties to Radiohead, they are more closely tied to Alternative Rock that prog. But I do like them. |
Posted By: Valarius
Date Posted: February 13 2005 at 17:34
| No. |
Posted By: Sweetnighter
Date Posted: February 13 2005 at 20:05
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I don't really have an opinion on the group... but you should make a
submission to M@X if you want the band included... there's a
thumb-tacked thread in the collaborator's subforum about how to make a
submission. That would probably be a little more effective in seeing
them being entered... and honestly, those who would oppose wouldn't be
agitated by threads like this. Not that they're bad, but they just tend
to rile people up.
------------- I bleed coffee. When I don't drink coffee, my veins run dry, and I shrivel up and die. "Banco Del Mutuo Soccorso? Is that like the bank of Italian soccer death or something?" -my girlfriend |
Posted By: Prog_Bassist
Date Posted: February 13 2005 at 20:32
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ah, I know what you mean.
....too lazy. 
I don't even care anymore. ------------- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uhuxaD8NzaY" rel="nofollow - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uhuxaD8NzaY |
Posted By: JrKASperov
Date Posted: February 14 2005 at 02:03
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This is the reason Why I made that rediculous poll. You guys are getting more and mroe disgusting lately  ------------- Epic. |
Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: February 14 2005 at 11:55
| Yes please.Pompous and over the top but with a dynamic sound unequalled in modern music,I love them almost as much as ELP.Check out the track Meglomania.It's pure prog. |
Posted By: Syzygy
Date Posted: February 14 2005 at 17:29
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Good idea - they're heaps better than a lot of the sad neo prog acts endlessly recycling their favourite bits of the 70s classics. Apparently even Rick wakenan has pronounced them a prog band - you wouldn't argue with the caped crusader, would you? ------------- 'Like so many of you I've got my doubts about how much to contribute to the already rich among us...' Robert Wyatt, Gloria Gloom |
Posted By: Joren
Date Posted: February 15 2005 at 19:53
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agreed |
Posted By: Reed Lover
Date Posted: February 15 2005 at 19:56
me too! ------------- 
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Posted By: Prog_Bassist
Date Posted: February 15 2005 at 21:22
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I restate the fact that they are prog.
THEY ARE PROG!!!! IF GOD IS MY WITNESS!!! ------------- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uhuxaD8NzaY" rel="nofollow - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uhuxaD8NzaY |
Posted By: Joren
Date Posted: February 15 2005 at 21:30
| Yeah, right... |
Posted By: Captain Fudge
Date Posted: February 16 2005 at 14:53
Good lordie whoadie, this message board is going overboard . But seriously, how could this teenybopper trash sit next to Urah Heep, no matter the genre differences?------------- 
Teenage sucks hard -- Emo sucks even harder Epic. Simply epic. |
Posted By: the musical box
Date Posted: February 16 2005 at 14:59
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i've never heard them personally, but they are Rick Wakeman's fave. new band, so maybe. ------------- something pretentious |
Posted By: Certif1ed
Date Posted: February 16 2005 at 15:33
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Muse out-prog and out-class Uriah Heep easily - but I still don't think that Muse are really prog. Nor are any of the UH albums I've heard - and I've only got Salisbury left to hear before I finally realise they're a great rock band in the Spinal Tap sense, but not prog. No. Prog? Nope. Nicht. NOT. But I don't care! UH can play in the Archives too! |
Posted By: Soulman
Date Posted: February 17 2005 at 01:15
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I selected Yes. Even if they are not comparable to bands in the past.
The art form itself has progressed into that style of music, and still
shows some relation to symphonic prog minus the talentedness. It is
still hard to say how some of these experimental/indie rock bands will
evolve and strive for better musical excellence. As much as I like the indie bands that can create emotion and experiment with certain things in music; I still desire to hear some intense riffs and climacticism in my music. Bands like Radiohead and Muse, seem to lack that in some sense, and I guess could not be compared to bands in the past. I still suggest they be included in prog archives, as I think the progressive community should notice how their music is "progressing", even if it isn't their music of their generation. However, I'm making the assumption that Muse is prog. Muse can be prog if they developed a bit more. They are still progressive music culture. |
Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: February 17 2005 at 03:05
| The next Muse album could either be full on prog or a 'pop album'.My guess is unfortuantely the latter.They have just signed to a major label so will no doubt want to make their music more 'commercial'.But lets see.Although I voted YES it might be wise to wait. |
Posted By: Captain Fudge
Date Posted: February 17 2005 at 08:27
It would have been wiser to have abstained- you are right. The only band I know of that became even better after signing witha major label was Nirvana. -------------
Teenage sucks hard -- Emo sucks even harder Epic. Simply epic. |
Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: June 11 2005 at 07:23
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Most of my favorite prog bands are signed with major labels. Inside Out, Magna Carta, Limb Music, ... Oh, and I voted yes, no other alternative. If you look around and see what other bands are already listed, you find Zappa, Mars Volta, Fantomas, Radiohead ... and that's a very good thing. It shows that the definition of prog is at least a little bit flexable here. But all these bands are far less obviously prog than Muse (Zappa himself stated at various occasions that he didn't even like Progressive Rock), so please come on ... ------------- https://awesomeprog.com/release-polls/pa" rel="nofollow - Release Polls Listened to: 
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Posted By: barbs
Date Posted: June 11 2005 at 08:51
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Matthew Bellamy is an incredibly talented instrumentalist and I would agree that they do a fair bit of stuff that is on the fringes of prog and a few songs which have been mentioned here that appear to carry the hallmarks of a progressive rock band. Friends who have been to Muse's concerts have been blown away by his virtuosity. Perhaps they should be given, as it was suggested, one or two more albums and see what they come up with because you will certainly be hearing alot about and from them in the next decade. Bellamy does have the capacity, I believe, to become a prog great but it just depends wether he's going to go where the big dollars are or not. My guess would be from what I have seen so far is that he is a multi-talented classically trained musician who wants to push the boundaries so it wouldn't surprise me if he wasn't up towards the top of the leaderboard on this site in 5 or 10 years time. ------------- Eternity |
Posted By: Bionic Commando
Date Posted: June 11 2005 at 09:04
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Sorry I just don't see or hear it. I've listened to quite a few Muse albums and I just fail to see where you guys are coming from. Seems to me like you're clinging to straws. |
Posted By: Certif1ed
Date Posted: June 11 2005 at 15:37
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And in the naked light I saw
Ten thousand people, maybe more. People talking without speaking, People hearing without listening, People writing songs that voices never share And no one deared Disturb the sound of silence. Paul Simon.
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Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: June 11 2005 at 15:39
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Great song, great movie! ------------- https://awesomeprog.com/release-polls/pa" rel="nofollow - Release Polls Listened to:
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Posted By: Logos
Date Posted: June 12 2005 at 05:25
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This poll seems pretty tight!
We just need a few more votes for Muse! 
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Posted By: memowakeman
Date Posted: June 13 2005 at 14:22
 muse is not prog------------- Follow me on twitter @memowakeman |
Posted By: Logos
Date Posted: June 13 2005 at 18:02
Yes it is. 
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Posted By: Borealis
Date Posted: June 13 2005 at 20:21
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Man, I haven't seen much arguments for Muse on this forum about other than 'They are like Radiohead'. Everyone always says that. First, Radiohead are a lot more experimental than Muse could try to be, and they are hardly accepted on ProgArchives. I also believe Radiohead are here for one reason, Kid A. Muse doesn't have an album like that, I mean, an original one. If it wasn't of Kid A, Radiohead might not be here. And your poll doesn't help you. You can't add a band here if more than half of those who voted are against it. You should win hands down to expect the band being added. ------------- Vive le Québec libre!... |
Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: June 14 2005 at 03:53
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Being more experimental doesn't imply being more prog. Muse: Origin of Symmetry is highly original, and not unlike some Procupine Tree that I've heard. The only point against their being prog IMHO is that they're not complex enough. They keep their music simple, and that is a violation of the "rules" defining "Progressive Rock" music. ------------- https://awesomeprog.com/release-polls/pa" rel="nofollow - Release Polls Listened to:
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Posted By: Certif1ed
Date Posted: June 14 2005 at 06:14
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1) Complexity is an attribute of prog, not a prerequisite - e.g. DSOTM. 2) Depends who you're comparing Muse with as to whether they're "complex" or "simple". Even Keane and Coldplay have a degree of sophistication to their writing that belies the surface simplicity - but I maintain that the answer is in the structuring. Keane and Coldplay, of course, write rock songs - nothing else. Muse use the rock song format and play around with it, so I'd argue that they're definitely progressive - as to whether they're prog or not, I'd say give them another two or three albums. They've got the potential - especially in "Absolution", where more of the experimentation works: I feel that "Hulabaloo" and "Origin of Symmetry" both contain too much material that does not seem to be properly considered in context, which generates a feeling of almost revulsion in me that is diametrically opposed to the excitement they give when they "get it right". I'd get technical if I could be bothered, but neither are prog, IMO. |
Posted By: DarkDream
Date Posted: June 14 2005 at 12:20
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i think muse is neo-progressive band...not same dream theater ,rush or etc..sound not as 70s..or 90's flower kings.. their songs are complex structres not great or shred solo but good riffs and good enstrumantel passage..also they have different sound..sound,taste progressive... try Origin of Symmetry... |
Posted By: Tristan Mulders
Date Posted: June 21 2005 at 13:53
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Yes ------------- Interested in my reviews? You can find them http://www.progarchives.com/Collaborators.asp?id=784 - HERE "...He will search until He's found a Way to take the Days..." |
Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: June 21 2005 at 14:09
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Muse has really gained a lot ... a week ago only about 30 percent had voted for Yes.
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Posted By: Velvetclown
Date Posted: June 21 2005 at 14:12
NAH !!!!!
------------- Billy Connolly Dream Theater Terry Gilliam Hagen Quartet Jethro Tull Mike Keneally |
Posted By: Alfi
Date Posted: June 21 2005 at 16:29
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nah muse are excellent musicians but being technically on a high level doesn't make them prog. |
Posted By: Starette
Date Posted: June 21 2005 at 20:08
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Don't get me wrong- Muse are excellent and I love them to bits. But they just aren't prog darlings. *pat-on-head* Another thing to get across: ART ROCK is NOT PROG!!! ------------- 50 tonne angel falls to the earth... |
Posted By: TheProgtologist
Date Posted: June 21 2005 at 21:07
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Nah!!!!!!!!!!!Muse are not prog and neither is Radiohead,who shouldn't be in the archives either. -------------  |
Posted By: greenback
Date Posted: June 22 2005 at 13:15
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The problem with muse is that the music is polluted by stoopid alterno guitars and BAD THE PROBLEM IS MUSE - NOT YOU! YOU LISTEN TO MUSE: WELL, I WON'T SAY "SHAME ON YOU": I WOULD RATHER TRY TO HELP YOU GET OUT OF THIS MARGINAL BAD TRIP! ------------- [HEADPINS - LINE OF FIRE: THE RECORD HAVING THE MOST POWERFUL GUITAR SOUND IN THE WHOLE HISTORY OF MUSIC!> |
voices! Unfortunately, the really talented keyboardist who plays Wakeman-esque piano parts belongs to a not talented band, and this is REALLY sad! Yes, Muse can be classified the same as radiohead, and their depressive alternative rock tendency is more than unwanted! Posted By: Starette
Date Posted: June 23 2005 at 04:56
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Grrr. Nrrgh. Gah. Mooooo. I would tell you otherwise- arguing that you are wrong Greenback, but after sitting my last exam I have extremely low energy levels. moooooooo. oh..Gah, ------------- 50 tonne angel falls to the earth... |
Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: June 23 2005 at 05:12
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I wonder how many just consider Radiohead and Muse non-prog because they don't like the vocal style. That's nonsense, VdGG and GG have equally unusual vocals ... that's ENTIRELY subjective. ------------- https://awesomeprog.com/release-polls/pa" rel="nofollow - Release Polls Listened to:
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Posted By: Certif1ed
Date Posted: June 23 2005 at 16:05
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I would also argue with Greenback on that issue - but as he's completely wrong, there's no point
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Posted By: Tony R
Date Posted: June 23 2005 at 19:10
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Absolution is a Prog Rock album. Unfortunately as they stand at the moment the bulk of their catalogue is not prog rock. Next album will give the proof. |
Posted By: Destrio
Date Posted: November 02 2005 at 18:12
| I'd say they're prog |
Posted By: BePinkTheater
Date Posted: November 02 2005 at 20:04
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i'd say they're not ------------- I can strangle a canary in a tin can and it would be really original, but that wouldn't save it from sounding like utter sh*t. -Stone Beard |
Posted By: Kris_man
Date Posted: November 02 2005 at 23:35
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Muse are not prog. Neither are Tool or Radiohead. They're just alternative rock bands who deviate from the norm a bit - Nine Inch Nails might be included as prog by that definition. ------------- http://karpy.blogspot.com - http://karpy.blogspot.com |
Posted By: sleeper
Date Posted: November 03 2005 at 06:14
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I said no but we will have to wait and see their next. They have the maikings to become a decent prog band but dont belong here on the strength of their back cataloge so far. ------------- Spending more than I should on Prog since 2005 
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Posted By: Syndromet
Date Posted: November 03 2005 at 06:18
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It's yes for me. I love the way they usesthe keyboard and synths in a
verry progy way. Much proggier than a lot of the bands included here.
The vocals also gives me that rush-vibe at moments.
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Posted By: Logos
Date Posted: November 03 2005 at 08:21
Sorry but it's Matt Bellamy playing the guitars and keyboards , and also singing. So basically you're just saying that he's really talented and sucks at the same time. Would you decide already??
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Posted By: greenback
Date Posted: November 03 2005 at 12:58
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oh! all right! this confirms the fact that nobody cannot be good in everything! now i can solve muse's problem: just tell the guy to shut up, to never use portable instruments and to hire certified musicians! ------------- [HEADPINS - LINE OF FIRE: THE RECORD HAVING THE MOST POWERFUL GUITAR SOUND IN THE WHOLE HISTORY OF MUSIC!> |
Posted By: Certif1ed
Date Posted: November 03 2005 at 14:32
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I wouldn't play for Muse if you paid me... unless it was an unfeasibly large amount
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Posted By: Syndromet
Date Posted: November 04 2005 at 03:07
I guess muse are able to pay big bucks if they want someone to join the band. I question that they would ever ask you, as you seems to have quite different taste in music. I once read an interwiev with muse where they stated they didn't like music from the 70's at all, and just listened to new stuff. The reporter told them that they had some of that special prog-spice, and Mathew Bellamy got upsett. What a dork. I bet you would be able to get to know Wakeman by playing for muse, though. That would be cool.. ------------- It is said to be the first Test-pressing of the corean release??
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Posted By: Certif1ed
Date Posted: November 04 2005 at 04:40
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Posted By: goose
Date Posted: November 04 2005 at 07:10
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All four of these bands have pushed music more than any neo prog band I've ever heard, and indeed more than any symphonic prog bands I've heard since 1980. |
Posted By: goose
Date Posted: November 04 2005 at 07:10
| Wakeman-esque piano parts?! What the hell are you talking about? |
Posted By: PROGMAN
Date Posted: November 04 2005 at 08:10
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Im not very fussed on them! ------------- CYMRU AM BYTH 
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Posted By: Sean Trane
Date Posted: November 04 2005 at 10:43
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NONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONO!!!!!! ------------- let's just stay above the moral melee prefer the sink to the gutter keep our sand-castle virtues content to be a doer as well as a thinker, prefer lifting our pen rather than un-sheath our sword |
Posted By: Trotsky
Date Posted: November 05 2005 at 14:00
You know Hugues, this sort of indecisive remark is not helping anybody ... make up your mind! Good Lord ... it's roughly 40 something for and 50 something against ... must be something to it ... I'll check our collection out ... I think my wife's got 3 albums ... seriously, more and more of her collection is making its way on here ... Radiohead, Sigur Ros, Mogwai, Super Furry Animals ... what next? ... Suede, Coldplay, Gomez? I draw the line at Elastica! ------------- "Death to Utopia! Death to faith! Death to love! Death to hope?" thunders the 20th century. "Surrender, you pathetic dreamer.” "No" replies the unhumbled optimist "You are only the present." |
Posted By: gok22us
Date Posted: November 05 2005 at 15:50
| Muse are art rock. |
Posted By: Prog_Bassist
Date Posted: November 05 2005 at 15:52
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I think they should at least be in the new "Prog Related" column. cuz they're art rock to me, but even if you dont think so, they are pretty damn related to prog or art rock. ------------- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uhuxaD8NzaY" rel="nofollow - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uhuxaD8NzaY |
Posted By: gok22us
Date Posted: November 05 2005 at 15:58
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for sure. Muse have all the epicness of Yes, Genesis, or whoever the hell you listen to. However, they do it all in 5 minutes or less. They have a unique, and recognizable sound. Their music is experimental and progressive and spirit. |
Posted By: Rosescar
Date Posted: November 08 2005 at 11:42
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Music isn't really that prog, it's more as the next step to reaching prog rock. Anyway, they basically take rock music, then make it sounds slightly different than the usual stuff you hear, but their music is just slightly more complex than Linkin Park's. The addition of 'classical parts' isn't an argument either, because if it was we could just add Yngwie Malmsteen and the whole neo-Classical metal scene rightaway. |
Posted By: Badabec
Date Posted: November 19 2005 at 09:27
lolYou don't know what you're talking about... Muse isn't progressive so you shouldn't find it on this site. |
Posted By: Certif1ed
Date Posted: November 19 2005 at 11:18
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Can you justify either statement?
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Posted By: salmacis
Date Posted: November 19 2005 at 16:15
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I find it very annoying when people make these sort of statements without even bothering to justify their words. Personally speaking, I think Muse should be here- their album 'Absolution' was pure prog, imo- but I feel there are other acts that should be here first. But I see Muse as a prog band that has a foot in the heavy rock camp (much like Uriah Heep, Styx or Rush in that respect, even though they sound like none of these). They have all the elements- such as great solos and complex musicianship, concepts, an element of bombast, even Hipgnosis artwork for 'Absolution'- and as such, unjustified arguments that they aren't prog seem futile to me. |
Posted By: Badabec
Date Posted: November 19 2005 at 17:05
I can. 1.) Muse has no complex structures, it is very minimalistic. 2.) Muse doesn't think about using odd time-signatures. 3.) Muse doesn't do anything new like the 70's avantgardists. Besides for me every song sounds the same way so in my opinion this band isn't good. |
Posted By: Certif1ed
Date Posted: November 19 2005 at 17:29
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Posted By: Gentle Ronnie
Date Posted: November 20 2005 at 15:04
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Despite being artsy, I find them to be pretty mediocre and uninspiring. ------------- 
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Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: November 20 2005 at 15:56
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They are more prog than many artists included here (ie Queen,Vangelis,Tangerine Dream and Kate Bush). Queen - ROCK/POP BAND Vangelis and Tangerine Dream- Electronic Music Kate Bush - POP Muse have never gone for a POP style like Queen (as yet anyway).They are fearless in their intent to create different moods and atmospheres.Absolution is a frighteningly good album that has more prog elements than you can shake a stick at.And they ROCK!! |
Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: November 20 2005 at 16:06
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Avant Rock/Pop. IMO This genre should be introduced to the archives, and half of the band currently categorized as Art Rock should be moved there. Including Muse ... ------------- https://awesomeprog.com/release-polls/pa" rel="nofollow - Release Polls Listened to:
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Posted By: horza
Date Posted: November 20 2005 at 16:13
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Muse should be in here ... and Coheed and Cambria ------------- Originally posted by darkshade: Calling Mike Portnoy a bad drummer is like calling Stephen Hawking an idiot. |
Posted By: Prog_Bassist
Date Posted: November 20 2005 at 16:20
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i dunno, whatever.
but they are pretty damn similar to radiohead. ------------- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uhuxaD8NzaY" rel="nofollow - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uhuxaD8NzaY |
Posted By: karmaminstrel
Date Posted: November 20 2005 at 18:43
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True, and if we put rubbish like Radiohead in, then Muse must follow.
Or we could just stick to music! |
Posted By: goose
Date Posted: November 20 2005 at 20:02
| I think it's better to stick to sentences that have some logical meaning. |
Posted By: Certif1ed
Date Posted: November 21 2005 at 08:00
That's just silly - MUSE more prog than Queen? Surely you mean MUSE are more prog than most Queen post 1980? MUSE have never written the equivalent of Queen II - a perfect prog album in every sense except side-long epics, ANATO - or even a confection like "Innuendo". Still, watch this space, as they say... |