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Kid-A
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Topic: Fate Posted: February 03 2007 at 10:25 |
Vompatti wrote:
Everything has to be predetermined. How else could you explain that some people can see the future? |
I think that can be explained because no-one can see the future!
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Man With Hat
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Posted: February 03 2007 at 01:12 |
I think if something is going to happen, its going to happen. Regaurdless what you do. You can delay it, but somehow it will find a way to be done. So I guess you can call that a profate view there.
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Dig me...But don't...Bury me I'm running still, I shall until, one day, I hope that I'll arrive Warning: Listening to jazz excessively can cause a laxative effect.
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Pnoom!
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Posted: February 02 2007 at 10:46 |
Completely natural forces beyond our control determine exactly how things will happen, creating a wonderful illusion of free will, but in reality, I don't think we have it.
That said, I don't believe in destiny, or fate, really, just a lack of free will.
My lack of free will dictates that I post this.
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progismylife
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Posted: February 02 2007 at 10:33 |
rileydog22 wrote:
I will choose a path that's clear. I will choose freewill!
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Damn! Someone beat me to quoting Rush! Curses!!! My view is way complicated.
Edited by progismylife - February 02 2007 at 10:36
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Jim Garten
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Posted: February 02 2007 at 03:25 |
**** happens!
Deal with that which you cannot change, and change that which you can
But for ****'s sake, never tempt fate!
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Jon Lord 1941 - 2012
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el böthy
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Posted: February 01 2007 at 23:42 |
stonebeard wrote:
One can always change his fate. Just look at Back to the Future.
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I was about to say that what you said is very stupid...but then I read Back to the future...and thats just such a good movie, I have to say you are right...McFly
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"You want me to play what, Robert?"
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Witchwoodhermit
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Posted: January 31 2007 at 20:19 |
I think we are all put on a certain undetermined path from birth. We can, if we choose to, follow that set path along it's natural route. Go with the flow.Those people are life's watchers.
Then there are those who choose to constantly change the road they are on. As if dodging boulders on lifes rapids. These people are lifes players.
In the end.
Our eventual outcome will always end in the same way.
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Here I'm shadowed by a dragon fig tree's fan
ringed by ants and musing over man.
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rileydog22
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Posted: January 31 2007 at 19:42 |
I will choose a path that's clear. I will choose freewill!
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kazansky
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Posted: January 31 2007 at 09:18 |
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The devil we blame our atrocities on is really just each one of us.
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Philéas
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Posted: January 31 2007 at 09:13 |
kazansky wrote:
but it could be, maybe we just don't know |
Does it matter if we know? I'd say making the most of our lives is more
important than thinking about wheter or not something has planned our
whole lives before we were born.
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kazansky
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Posted: January 31 2007 at 09:11 |
Philéas wrote:
Life is not predetermined, unless you want it to be.
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but it could be, maybe we just don't know
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The devil we blame our atrocities on is really just each one of us.
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oliverstoned
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Posted: January 31 2007 at 09:08 |
Fatality happens when you don't use your free will.
Your astrological birth theme predispose you for a fate but after it depends on your will. Most of us use very few our free will, which make us toys of fate.
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Philéas
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Posted: January 31 2007 at 09:02 |
Life is not predetermined, unless you want it to be.
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kazansky
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Posted: January 31 2007 at 05:42 |
For me actually it's a 50-50 between the first and third option. While i believe that sometimes our lives is already set and it's all in the hands of the creator, i also believe that our destiny somewhat can be changed if you try with much efforts.
I don't really believe that we can make our live ourselves because it is likely that there will always be some sort of intervention from the creator, both in good or bad way
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The devil we blame our atrocities on is really just each one of us.
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The Miracle
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Posted: January 31 2007 at 01:09 |
Second option for me. The only thing that's pre-decided is that everything is going downhill and things can only get worse. The way we fall is our choice /emo
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Cygnus X-2
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Posted: January 31 2007 at 00:40 |
stonebeard wrote:
One can always change his fate. Just look at Back to the Future.
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You're going to cite that as a credible source of changing one's fate?
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KoS
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Posted: January 31 2007 at 00:40 |
Cue up Freewill.
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kazansky
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Posted: January 31 2007 at 00:37 |
Where are the other opinions ?
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The devil we blame our atrocities on is really just each one of us.
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kazansky
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Posted: January 30 2007 at 11:27 |
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The devil we blame our atrocities on is really just each one of us.
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Vompatti
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Posted: January 30 2007 at 11:19 |
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