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Ricochet 
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Posted: November 27 2006 at 10:58 |
 richardh wrote:
Fair enough although I will still maintain that 'Song Of The Whale Pts 1 & 2' is excellent stuff....you really don't like that??! 
Tyger has 'London' and the title track although the second half of that album is just 'treading water'.
Both albums have about enough material to make a very good TD album.After that the only TD track I've heard that I like is 'Three Bikes In The Sky' from Melrose.
Le Parc is a very good album and perhaps the last consistently good TD album.My fave track:- Yellowstone Park with Clare Tory's nice vocals.
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Nope, Underwater dis-satisfies me completely. The attention given the Whale epic most especially. Not bad, but far from golden attributes or enormous rewardings. Tyger has London, but Tyger also has minimalism of consequences. So Tyger has London with minimalism of consequences. Melrose = not my favourite, though a grower. Lily On The Beach is my favourite "optical" album. My fave track of Le Parc: Hyde Park; deadly dark. 
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Posted: November 27 2006 at 05:20 |
Ricochet wrote:
Green Desert is a 1973/1986 reference... |
I ment to say 86, not 84  .
Edited by Trky_Lym - November 27 2006 at 05:22
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Posted: November 27 2006 at 02:39 |
Fair enough although I will still maintain that 'Song Of The Whale Pts 1 & 2' is excellent stuff....you really don't like that??!
Tyger has 'London' and the title track although the second half of that album is just 'treading water'.
Both albums have about enough material to make a very good TD album.After that the only TD track I've heard that I like is 'Three Bikes In The Sky' from Melrose.
Le Parc is a very good album and perhaps the last consistently good TD album.My fave track:- Yellowstone Park with Clare Tory's nice vocals.
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Posted: November 27 2006 at 01:13 |
Trky_Lym wrote:
As for Tangerine Dream, I'll give Poland a listen. I'm also confused about Green Desert, I know it was recorded in 1973, but it released and re-mixed in 1984, so it considered to be apart of their "pink years" or is it the "blue years" no matter what? |
hey, TD chat, how nice...  Green Desert is a 1973/198 6 reference. I did state, I believe, that I would rather call it a "blue years" light mode minimal charm. It would be slightly out of the experimental side of TD back in 1973. But the album was made for that year, so I'm not saying it is wrong. Just telling my preference.
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Posted: November 26 2006 at 21:53 |
Paul Stump wrote:
You gotta love this strand. But title it 'When Prog Bands Go Bad' and sell it to ESPN2.
One rule and one rule only; when the minion from the record company asks for a hit single; THAT's when prog bands go bad. Of course, prog singles can be good - Follow You Follow Me etc, Anyone's Daughter's Viel zuviel...
Tangerine Dream: after they ditched the mellotron. Last decent album, 'Logos'
Floyd: Animals
Genesis: And Then There Were Three (some pretty tunes)
Tull: Heavy Horses (altho Bursting Out postdated it)
Machiavel: Mechanical Moonbeams
PFM: Performance
Funnily enough there were some bands who took the record company shilling and still made OK albums - AD's Neue Sterne (Brain) was one, as was Focus's unbelievably mad Focus Con Proby, and Banco's self-titled 1983 pop album was almost as good as A-ha.
30-minute epic or 3-minute single - by their progressive talent shall ye know them. Or something.
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Posted: November 26 2006 at 19:11 |
I'll give King Crimson's later albums another chance, I'm just not so fond of Adrian Belew's voice for King Crimson.
As for Tangerine Dream, I'll give Poland a listen. I'm also confused about Green Desert, I know it was recorded in 1973, but it released and re-mixed in 1984, so is it considered to be apart of their "pink years" or is it the "blue years" no matter what?
Edited by Trky_Lym - November 27 2006 at 05:21
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Posted: November 26 2006 at 19:01 |
You gotta love this strand. But title it 'When Prog Bands Go Bad' and sell it to ESPN2.
One rule and one rule only; when the minion from the record company asks for a hit single; THAT's when prog bands go bad. Of course, prog singles can be good - Follow You Follow Me etc, Anyone's Daughter's Viel zuviel...
Tangerine Dream: after they ditched the mellotron. Last decent album, 'Logos'
Floyd: Animals
Genesis: And Then There Were Three (some pretty tunes)
Tull: Heavy Horses (altho Bursting Out postdated it)
Machiavel: Mechanical Moonbeams
PFM: Performance
Funnily enough there were some bands who took the record company shilling and still made OK albums - AD's Neue Sterne (Brain) was one, as was Focus's unbelievably mad Focus Con Proby, and Banco's self-titled 1983 pop album was almost as good as A-ha.
30-minute epic or 3-minute single - by their progressive talent shall ye know them. Or something.
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Posted: November 26 2006 at 18:47 |
Why don't we digress TOTALLY and start discussing as to when Liberace lost his progressive streak? Or perhaps Dean Martin? 
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Posted: November 26 2006 at 18:35 |
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Ozzy lost it in 1983 :)
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Posted: November 26 2006 at 18:32 |
smithers wrote:
No more tears was a disgraceful album. Ozzmosis had about 3 decent songs, but the rest is crappy |
Off course, now THAT'S WHEN Ozzy lost his famous progressive edge... (  )
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Posted: November 26 2006 at 18:18 |
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No more tears was a disgraceful album. Ozzmosis had about 3 decent songs, but the rest is crappy
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Posted: November 26 2006 at 17:34 |
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"You want me to play what, Robert?"
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Posted: November 26 2006 at 16:42 |
1800iareyay wrote:
jiSh wrote:
Dream Theater went kinda flaky on Octavarium, there's only three songs I like from it (Root of All Evil/Sacrificed Sons/title track), they started to sound too much like other bands with their other songs. However, the "Score" concert totally rocked. |
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I can't believe only one person mentioned ELP's Love Beach. That is the defintion of "losing it"
Here's some more bands, some not prog
Yes- Going For the One
Rush- Presto, though I think they rebounded wit Test For Echo and Vapor Trails, despite the later's atrocious production
Deep Purple- Burn, came back for Perfect Strangers, lost it immediately afterwards, came back with Purpendicular
Ozzy Osbourne- Bark At the Moon, came back briefly for No More Tears
Genesis- began with And Then There Were Three... |
Going for the one? That's easily one of their best albums!!!! Shame on you! Shame, shame shame!!!  
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Posted: November 26 2006 at 16:40 |
jiSh wrote:
Dream Theater went kinda flaky on Octavarium, there's only three songs I like from it (Root of All Evil/Sacrificed Sons/title track), they started to sound too much like other bands with their other songs. However, the "Score" concert totally rocked.
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I think we're related 
I can't believe only one person mentioned ELP's Love Beach. That is the defintion of "losing it"
Here's some more bands, some not prog
Yes- Going For the One
Rush- Presto, though I think they rebounded wit Test For Echo and Vapor Trails, despite the later's atrocious production
Deep Purple- Burn, came back for Perfect Strangers, lost it immediately afterwards, came back with Purpendicular
Ozzy Osbourne- Bark At the Moon, came back briefly for No More Tears
Genesis- began with And Then There Were Three...
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Posted: November 26 2006 at 16:29 |
eugene wrote:
Yes, but some of them returmn to form, as KC did with Thrak. |
KC never lost it. Discipline is amazing. So is the Power to Believe, and so is Thrak.
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Posted: November 26 2006 at 16:27 |
Philéas wrote:
DT lost it after Awake, Focus after Hamburger Concerto (haven't heard
the two new albums though, they might be good), Queensrÿche after
OM.
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I thought Awake was not spectacular (it was good, though) and their best albums were released after Awake (mostly Scenes and Octavarium).
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Posted: November 26 2006 at 16:22 |
stonebeard wrote:
You kidding me???
Phaedra 2005 =  |
why Mr. Stonie! It sure is not!
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Posted: November 26 2006 at 16:20 |
You kidding me???
Phaedra 2005 = |
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Posted: November 26 2006 at 16:19 |
limeyrob wrote:
After reading some of the comments I quite like Tangerine Dream up to the Tournado tour - must be about 1997. Excellent sound - but to me they just didn't know how to finish a track. Probably why I liked the live album with the links between each piece producing a continuous sound.
Still can't get into Rush though - I have tried |
The Tournado tour was 1996 and concluded with Tournado, afterwards Valentyne Wheels. I may be the TD die-hard fan, but I also believe there's been serious undulations during the 1986-1996 period. From cheap to inefficient. From marginally adequate to occasionally tastefull (and when oh-oh! delice ). But I can draw a point from Tournado, saying that after those albums, up in the Millenium, Tangerine Dream "got it back". oh, and I believe the point about Rush is bit misunderstood, in relation with the topic subject.
Edited by Ricochet - November 26 2006 at 16:20
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Posted: November 26 2006 at 16:17 |
richardh wrote:
Ricochet wrote:
I would say Tangerine Dream after Poland, if they actually got mentioned here. |
I partially agree as Poland (1984) is one of the best live albums I've ever come across.However I really like Underwater Sunlight (1986) and even Tyger (1987) has some good moments.I believe TD started to go noticeably downhill after 1987. |
a rightous argument, considering the departure of Franke up in that year. but I don't entrust Underwater Sunlight and, let's be reasonable, Tyger moderately, with quality and with the clear perspective with which the band walked under the dynamic Trio. shall we say Le Parc as a compromise between our opinions?
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