Genesis - Gabriel Lies Down On Broadway

Rob The Plant wrote: Funny thing is that people on this forum have such anti-Collins opinions, and pro Gabriel, but the man himself is still friendly with him. Funny isn't it?

That's because they made this music themselves and they
have a different take on it to their fans. Neither Gabriel or
Coillins are hung up on this "prog-rock" tag/ thing. They made
the music they wanted to make at any given time in their
careers. I don't care for Collins' solo work but I still don't see
why he should be should be burned at their stake. I get the
impression he and gabriel think these sort of arguments are
very silly.

ivan_2068 wrote: There's also a DVD called Device Voice Drums where you can find almost every song here except Closet Chronicles and a couple more. Despite the terrible voice of Walsh due to his throught operation, the DVD is outstanding. Iván

Monolith was the first Kansas album I ever heard. What's your
view on this. I've never been a big fan. They'd gone down the
'80s AOR route -Drastic Measures, Power - by the time I started
checking out their current stuff.

BTW - Always makes me checkle when folks on this board in
such a tizzy over Genesis and Phil Collins...

Wrath_of_Ninian wrote:    Can you pop over and ask him why he wrote 'Sledgehammer'?

Gabriel said it was his tribute to his R & B influence in the 60's.  He said it was one of the things that got him into music.  It's really not that bad a song. I just think people get cought up in this "image" thing and decide not to like 'cuz it was a #1 single and had a video.  Was a utter stupid thing to ruin your enjoy ment of music.

As for Shock The Monkey.  THAT IS A GREAT SONG!!! Why not to like it? His "Security" album is amazing!

 

 

Songs 1,9,11,12 - Left Overature

Songs 2,3- Point of Know Return  I would also add the Spyder and Hoplessly Human

Song 4- From self tiltled 1st cd.  I would also add Apercu and Belexis

Song 5 and 10- From Song for America and I would add Lamplight Symphony

Song 6,7,8- From Masque I also like parts of All the World and Child of Innocence

There are four songs from reunion cd Somewhere to Elswhere:

Myriad, Icarus II, Distant Vision and Byzantium

 

Hey Gdub, here is my list of top Kansas tracks not in order:

1. Miracles Out of Nowhere
2. Closet Chronicles
3. Portrait (He Knew)
4. Journey from Mariabronn
5. Song for America
6. Mysteries And Mayhem
7. Icarus Born on Wings Of Steel
8. The Pinnacle
9. The Wall
10. Lamplight Symphony
11. Opus Insert
12. Magnum Opus

Iván

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Actually Garion...what song is Pinnacle off of...it is amazing...up there with Journey From Mariabronn........

I suppose I'll just look here in the Archives.

 

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Was just teasing my friend.

Now you tell me after I had to confess I went to see Air Supply and Men at Work

Thanks God i didn't went to see

Iván

I still think you would have gone to that Roxy show Ivan.

It may sound strange specially living in Perú, where good Concerts are not very common, and progheads go to everything they can.

In Lima I saw Jethro Tull (2 times), ELP, Yes, Jon Anderson (I felt asleep though), Rick Wakeman (2 times and even the famous concert that started a 1:00 am and ended near 5:00 am brecause his instruments ended in Paraguay), Kansas (With John Elefante, a band that wasn't really Kansas), Santana and must confess I even went to see Men at Work and Air Supply (My girlfriend insisted on this one).

But there are two concerts I refused to go one was Village People and the other one was Phil Collins, even when all my friends went.

Iván

Garion81 wrote: Wrath_of_Ninian wrote:    Yep.    They epitomise everything I try to play down when my contemporaries lay their boots into the genre for supposedly being pretentious and elitist.  But worse than this, I actually DO dislike it - it sounds vapid and stale - music for music's sake. Making a living rather than living the dream.  There's no passion in the voices, there's no feeling in the lyrics - its utter pretense, and it plays into the hands of those who think prog is worthless. For that, it should be demonised!

I just thought of one more comment ,WoN. sorry

That clip I sent you had more than just the music involved in it. Kansas made no money until Leftoverature.  They were not even a headliner until late 1976.  That clip was a tape of a live performance on an American National TV show in late 1975 before the recording of Leftoverature.  Granted you may not like their music but if they are what you say they are i.e.  music to make a living, no passion, basically a formula driven band etc.  Why would they choose to play their most progressive song off of the album they were touring with (Masque) to present their music to 16 million viewers?  It doesn't make sense.  They had a few other hard rock songs if that was what they wanted to do.  They chose that one I sent and another prog song. Just thought I would point that out. It is a rap they have had(and you are not alone on this forum with your feelings) that does not fit them through 1979.  That's all.

 

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Wrath_of_Ninian wrote:    Yep.   Sorry, was I supposed to be swayed into the Kansas camp by that?  I appreciate the cool clip Garion (I can't even master uploading my own pictures yet...!), but Kansas are just everything I hate about the prog genre.  They epitomise everything I try to play down when my contemporaries lay their boots into the genre for supposedly being pretentious and elitist.  But worse than this, I actually DO dislike it - it sounds vapid and stale - music for music's sake. Making a living rather than living the dream.  There's no passion in the voices, there's no feeling in the lyrics - its utter pretense, and it plays into the hands of those who think prog is worthless. For that, it should be demonised! Sorry Garion, I cant even bring myself to listen to Magnum Opus again (which was the best track by a considerable distance).  Indeed, were it not for the considerable support they seem to get on this site, I would be calling for their dismissal from the Archives altogether.  Most of that album sounds like Lynard Skynard (is that how you spell it?)

 

Actually that was a 9 and half minute song from them in 1975.  If you truely gave it a chance I will just say we agree to disagree.  Growing up in the 70's my big 4 were ELP Genesis Kansas and Yes followed closely by Jethro Tull .  But I agree about Styx. I could also apply some of your reasons about what you don't like about Kansas to Triumvarat. Cheers