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prog4evr
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Topic: Does humor belong in prog? Posted: October 31 2006 at 07:56 |
Ovide wrote:
Well, IMO, saying humor doesn't belong in prog is about as stupid as saying that the surrealist movement doesn't belong in litterature. Or that Monty Python's Quest for The Holy Grail shouldn't be considered a movie.
Humor is a means of escape and a light yet efficient form of social and behaviourial criticism. It shouldn't be shunned from the entire sphere of human emotions. It belongs in prog because prog is about the expression of the soul through music and damn, if your soul never laughs, you're already dead, my friend.
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Thank you, new one! If humor was not supposed to be a part of prog, Genesis and Jethro Tull never would have been as big as they were (when they were great in the 1970s, mind you). Proggers who think prog should be just about 'serious' topics and not about humor do not understand the appeal of the genre (especially to males who find humor in Monty Python, etc.)
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darkshade
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Posted: October 30 2006 at 23:25 |
someone said Robert Fripp is an unfunny man, or something like that. True it may not show much in his music, but he is definitly a man of humor. have u not heard live KC albums? he's "Chuckles Fripp" for gosh darns sake.. haha
another man mistaken for lack of humor is Roger Waters he's a very funny, intelligent man. he even said in an interview about "The Wall" movie that the only thing he regrets about the movie is the lack of humor in the film, for a kind of breather. he said hes a man of humor, but didnt feel the need at the time to include any in the movie.
some great prog bands/muscians with humor would be Zappa, Phish, Dream Theater, LTE, Mr. Bungle and Gentle Giant (at least i find humor in them)
if theres any band id like to see add some humor to their music once in a while would be Opeth. though idk if thatd work in their favor, being their songs are extremely emotional, sometimes sad and depressing.
Edited by darkshade - October 30 2006 at 23:25
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mrgd
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Posted: October 30 2006 at 23:06 |
I might be moving to Montana soon, to raise me a crop of...........humourless progsters........
Perish the thought!
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Arrrghus
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Posted: October 28 2006 at 18:27 |
Josepet wrote:
In my opinion, Seamus and St.Tropez are not humorous, just silly fillers. The same as JTull's "Hare who lost..." and some Zappa goofy jokes. Those songs just turn me off. On the other hand, Jeremy Bender and The Sheriff work for me.
And when I think of a musician who totally lacks sens of humour, Fripp is the man.
But that is not bad. In the end, those folks are musicians, not clowns. |
That's a standard misconception. He actually has a good sense of humor.
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Nowhere Man
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Posted: October 27 2006 at 18:16 |
Humor is fine as long it doesn't take up a good deal of the song. I like the way Kansas named the subtitles of Magnum Opus.
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purplepiper
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Posted: October 27 2006 at 17:19 |
A taste of humor can add to a song, as long as it is used sparingly. If I recall, genesis put some little bits of humor in their music and I find their music to kick ass! I guess a band has to be able to 'pull off' the humor though.
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limeyrob
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Posted: October 27 2006 at 14:08 |
Of course humour belongs in prog. Same as a 'u' belongs in humour. Not that I harbour any grudges
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Ovide
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Posted: October 26 2006 at 16:58 |
Well, IMO, saying humor doesn't belong in prog is about as stupid as saying that the surrealist movement doesn't belong in litterature. Or that Monty Python's Quest for The Holy Grail shouldn't be considered a movie.
Humor is a means of escape and a light yet efficient form of social and behaviourial criticism. It shouldn't be shunned from the entire sphere of human emotions. It belongs in prog because prog is about the expression of the soul through music and damn, if your soul never laughs, you're already dead, my friend.
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Ack! Knowledge!
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oldebag
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Posted: October 25 2006 at 19:01 |
of course!!! Life is funny, sad, weird, twisted, and etc. That's why this music (prog) is so important! Remember satire?, black comedy, the old "tongue in cheek"? Music keeps us, ( i.e. me) sane...... Humour keeps our perspective. complex concept!!! I think, therefore ,I laugh!!
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Dick Heath
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Posted: October 25 2006 at 18:09 |
Peter Rideout wrote:
Dick Heath wrote:
Many British bands love their puns - Genesis
(pun after pun on British retailers amongst others on Can-Utility), in
particular! Similarly album titles as puns or word games -
although Love had some of the best (e.g. Forever Changes), and I note quite a number of Scandanavian bands readily can play these games too.
However, my favourite is from fringe proggers Capability Brown: Keep death off the road, drive on the pavement. |
A little cross-cultural translation is in order here, I see!
That one only works in Britain, Dicklington. In North America, the pavement is the road -- what you call "the pavement," we call the sidewalk.
(For us, "pavement" is another name for asphalt, as opposed to concrete, which our sidewalks are made from). |
Peter
The well know Anglophile and travel writer Bill Brysden has written a
couple excellent guides to the separation of the English language into
British and American. I suppose what shocked a lot of Brit who had
thought America has corrupted the language, is in fact than Americans
tend to retain old English more than the Brits - 'pavement/sidewalk' is
one pair example Brysden quotes - 'sidewalk' being
Elizabethan/Shakespearian English,' pavement' is more recent use this
side of the Atlantic, possibly because of the use of paving stones from
the Victorian period.
I'm reminded of my first stay in the USA - 2 months in Lancaster PA - I
used to crack puns and occasionally I would get a smile, and the
reaction: 'Hey Monty Pyhton humor' - then after a brief laugh, the
further commment - 'I don't understand Monty Python'. However, I get
the Capability Brown pun and it is fairly smart to slip it into a song.
Then 'pardon me' is one of those American expressions that doesn't
quite mean the same over here. 'Pardon me' is often used in the UK as a
half hearted apology for (accidently) breaking wind. So there is the
possibility when a Brit is talking to an American, and with the
American not quite understanding, then interrupts with "pardon me", the
Brit will stop, sniff the air and think the American has silently
farted.
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Peter
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Posted: October 25 2006 at 13:18 |
Dick Heath wrote:
Many British bands love their puns - Genesis (pun after pun on British retailers amongst others on Can-Utility), in particular! Similarly album titles as puns or word games - although Love had some of the best (e.g. Forever Changes), and I note quite a number of Scandanavian bands readily can play these games too.
However, my favourite is from fringe proggers Capability Brown: Keep death off the road, drive on the pavement. |
A little cross-cultural translation is in order here, I see!
That one only works in Britain, Dicklington. In North America, the pavement is the road -- what you call "the pavement," we call the sidewalk.
(For us, "pavement" is another name for asphalt, as opposed to concrete, which our sidewalks are made from).
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"And, has thou slain the Jabberwock? Come to my arms, my beamish boy! O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay!' He chortled in his joy.
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Dick Heath
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Posted: October 25 2006 at 12:39 |
Many British bands love their puns - Genesis (pun after pun on British retailers amongst others on Can-Utility), in particular! Similarly album titles as puns or word games - although Love had some of the best (e.g. Forever Changes), and I note quite a number of Scandanavian bands readily can play these games too.
However, my favourite is from fringe proggers Capability Brown: Keep death off the road, drive on the pavement.
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yarstruly
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Posted: October 25 2006 at 10:22 |
I'm not sure that everyone understood where I was going with this...I was trying to be clever (though apparantly not completely original) by paraphrasing FZ....Of course there IS humor there, and I think it should be there, but is it LOST on some prog fans who take either themselves, their favorite prog artists, or the songs too seriously? In other words are some of us missing the jokes?
Edited by yarstruly - October 25 2006 at 12:41
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SolariS
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Posted: October 24 2006 at 19:20 |
FZ belongs in prog!
a lot of times his humor comes through story-telling which is timeless.
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YesForSure
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Posted: October 24 2006 at 17:03 |
I think it does.. Most of my favourite bands include humour in some of their music.. like Mike Oldfield, Jethro Tull, Focus..
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jplanet
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Posted: October 24 2006 at 16:10 |
Is this thread some kind of a joke? Is Peter Gabriel a comedian? Wipe those smiles off your faces, this is a place for serious discussion about prog, which is a very serious genre.
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yarstruly
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Posted: October 24 2006 at 12:36 |
I guess I should quote Echolyn, quoting Willy Wonka, by saying "A Little Nonsense Now & Then Is Relished by the Wisest Men!"
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Eetu Pellonpaa
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Posted: October 24 2006 at 08:31 |
Humor fits to everything, but it makes the subject then appealing mostly to a group sharing the appetite for the humor used.
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R o V e R
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Posted: October 24 2006 at 04:43 |
Check out Emeson Lake & Palmers songs
like
"Benny the bouncer" -Brain Salad Surgery
"The Sheriff" - Trilogy
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martinprog77
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Posted: October 24 2006 at 04:05 |
you find a lot of humor and sex in jethro tull.or elp ''love beach''where they dress like the bee gees in the cover.i cant stop laughting on that one
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