Should Iron Maiden have been put on the A

I've noticed that Iron Maiden, which had three albums in the top 500 a few days ago, is not faring nearly so well in the list anymore.  Now they only have one album in the top 500, that being Seventh Son.  I noticed it had made it to about 140 at one time but quickly dropped as many people rated the albums it had surpassed and is now at 237. Some ratings manipulation.

In a  way I felt that the quick rise of (the Prog-related) Iron Maiden is vindication enough for placing them on PA (after all, Seventh Son at 4.46 is considered by some to be an "Excellent addition to any prog music collection).  I just noticed that it's prog with a small p which indicates that specifically one is rating based partially on an album being progressive (adjective) music but not necessarily Prog (noun with a P writ large).  Have the descriptors been changed at all? Progressive music?  As an inclusionist, I would like to see the day when this site does not limit itself to rock or rock based genres.  Progressive jazz anyone?

Hard to deny that the album progressed metal, and therefore I agree that it is an excellent addition for progressive people interested in acquiring albums which progressed musical genres.

4.46
Excellent addition to any
prog music collection

SolariS wrote: KeyserSoze wrote: Ok... Iron Maiden's Seventh Son Of A Seventh Son rating = 4.46 Yes' Fragile rating = 4.42 That's insane So? Kraftwerk's Man Machine blows both of these out of the water at 4.56When are you guys going to leave it alone and just accept that ratings are superficial. There is NO objective way to rank albums.

     

I couldn't have said it better myself.

KeyserSoze wrote: Ok... Iron Maiden's Seventh Son Of A Seventh Son rating = 4.46 Yes' Fragile rating = 4.42 That's insane

You have to take into consideration that Fragile has a lot more reviews than Seventh Son, so in time Seventh Son's rating may in fact go down, but it all depends on how people review it.

The vote may be interesting Greg, but is of little practical value. The decision to add them has been taken and they have been added.

IM are not as prog-related as MANY other bands that aren't here... YET.
    
Just about all NWOBHM bands are prog-related in some way, for a start.

Iron Maiden should not be here - the "prog-relation" is tenuous to say the least.

Where are the MELLOTRONS???

    

Edited by Certif1ed - October 11 2006 at 03:42

^still, you have to understand that seeing an IM release in there, among all these prog albums...i don't know, i've always considered IM to be a NWOBHM legend with its leader to be a big prog fan...

    

Edited by toolis - October 11 2006 at 03:24

^maybe..

SolariS wrote: toolis wrote: "Seventh Son.." is already in No 174, surpassing tons of true prog albums... no comment... Sigh.The overall top100 is a SUPERFICIAL rating system. It compares apples and oranges and throws it all together into a fruit salad. You tell me which is better: The highest ranked Zeuhl album or the highest ranked Prog Metal album. Well the top100 has already decided, but to actually say that one album is better really doesn't make too much sense. They have entirely different goals and their music leaves not too much to be compared. I'm trying to direct you toward an argument that might actually get some consideration, because comments like this will get you nowhere. I would argue to throw away the whole top500 thing if people like you are getting so bent out of shape about it. It doesn't mean that much anyway. It makes more sense to have top100 in individual sub-genres. -------------------------------------------------------------------------- all i'm asking is the same thing i asked in "Help Us Improve The Site" forum: exclude proto prog and prog related bands from the list... this site has began to get disoriented... ------------------------------------------------------------------------- And another flaw with your line of thinking: Inidividual albums are written to be progressive, not bands. Don't believe me? Ok, then try to claim that Yes or Genesis' whole catalogue is progressive, and you'll have the whole site laughing at you. Just because Iron Maiden isn't a prog rock band doesn't mean that can't write a progressive album, and apparently many people believe this to be a very progressive album.Listen to MikeEnRegalia, he knows...

    

i respect everybody's opinion that "Seventh Son.." is a prog album... but i disagree... just because some people say so doesn't mean that i have to agree too.. it's just a matter of opinion...
    

Edited by toolis - October 11 2006 at 02:40

Peter Rideout wrote: To me, the real issue is not the presence of any one band like IM. Rather, it is "does metal belong on a progressive rock site?"[IMG]height=17 alt=Ermm src="smileys/smiley24.gif" width=17 align=absMiddle>   (Is it "prog," or is it just "prog as far as metal goes?")   I'm not saying yes or no, but that seems to be the fundamental issue: how broad is your definition of "prog?"   The definition of the site's owners obviously does include metal, so, given that, then I can't see how people can justifiably whine about the continued inclusion of metal bands. Like it or not, metal is here on PA, and it has been here from the start.   If it REALLY bothers you that metal is here, you should perhaps leave and start your own "pure" prog website. [IMG]height=17 alt="Stern Smile" src="smileys/smiley22.gif" width=17 align=absMiddle>

Do my eyes deceive me??

What kind of weird alternate reality have I stumbled into??

I never thought I would see the day Peter.

Cheesecakemouse wrote: I think the problem lies with the concepts behind metal bands, quite often they are not as intellectual and more image conscious(eg skinheads etc) than prog bands like Genesis. Although this is not the 100% truth I think this is the general image that metal has been portrayed to the public. Noise and posing are often the priorities in metal bands rather than creativity and musicianship. To me a most of the 80s metal bands had more in common with punk than rock - loud, image consciuos and promoting the the impression that it appeals to the lowest common denominator of the public. I think this is why people are opposed to IM on the archives. But good or not if they are prog related they are prog related. I guess the general impression I get is that people who want to look tough and violent listen to metal, just like some of the early punk listeners. While prog is less image conscious and more cerebral.