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TheProgtologist
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Topic: Up The Irons!!! Posted: October 03 2006 at 16:04 |
There are quite enough threads dealing with the additionof Iron Maiden,please discuss in one of those.
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Philéas
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Posted: October 03 2006 at 16:03 |
Prog-Related for die!!!!1111
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salmacis
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Posted: October 03 2006 at 08:24 |
I must admit I was surprised at their rather sudden inclusion. Although the prog tendencies are pretty obvious, I'm not altogether sure this was an entirely good idea. I wouldn't review the albums here as none of them are prog albums- the same goes for The Beatles- but anyway, they are here, and I don't see the point of getting into a lather about it. There's obvious prog influence at least- there are some bands in prog related that I'm more bothered about than IM...
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Bilek
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Posted: October 03 2006 at 07:05 |
KeyserSoze wrote:
Ok, we have Iron Maiden in PA. Great, and now what about Judas Priest and AC/DC? When will this stop? Maybe at Britney Spears and Eminem... |
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Listen to Turkish psych/prog; you won't regret: Baris Manco,Erkin Koray,Cem Karaca,Mogollar,3 Hürel,Selda,Edip Akbayram,Fikret Kizilok,Ersen (and Dadaslar) (but stick with the '70's, and 'early 80's!)
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KeyserSoze
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Posted: October 03 2006 at 06:50 |
Ok, we have Iron Maiden in PA. Great, and now what about Judas Priest and AC/DC? When will this stop? Maybe at Britney Spears and Eminem...
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Bilek
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Posted: October 03 2006 at 06:21 |
Asyte2c00 wrote:
Okay, Since Maiden has been added to PA.
It should be an easy undertaking to add the Grateful Dead to PA, Considering their psychadeklic counterpart Jefferson Airplane is in the Archives!!!! |
I'd second that...
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Listen to Turkish psych/prog; you won't regret: Baris Manco,Erkin Koray,Cem Karaca,Mogollar,3 Hürel,Selda,Edip Akbayram,Fikret Kizilok,Ersen (and Dadaslar) (but stick with the '70's, and 'early 80's!)
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darkshade
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Posted: October 03 2006 at 00:33 |
hey there's a maiden album missing. Virtual XI. where is that, im gonna wanna review that one eventually
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Posted: October 02 2006 at 23:02 |
Atkingani wrote:
darkshade wrote:
now when are Beethoven, Mozart, Vivaldi and Bach gonna be added to the site??????? they were highly progressive artists! |
They are here! But not directly...
I'm just listening now to an album by Los Canarios (Spain) called "Ciclos" which is based entirely on Vivaldi's 4 Seasons! |
Great album
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darkshade
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Posted: October 02 2006 at 23:01 |
stonebeard wrote:
darkshade wrote:
Bj-1 wrote:
I think they're prog enough to be here. I mean, they're way more prog than most of those other prog-related bands featured here!!! |
Phish is probably the only real prog band that's somehow in that category on this site... |
Scale of Progginess (IMO):
1 = Regular old jam stuff. Equivalent of Dave Matthews Band in terms of progginess.
10 = Very prog. Maybe not CTTE, but definitely prog.
Junta: 8
Lawn Boy: ???
Rift: ???
A Picture of Nectar: 8
Billy Breathes: 2
Hoist: 1
Story of the Ghost: 4
Farmhouse: 3
Round Room: 4
Undermined: 3
They're in the right place, IMO. |
well since the 2 ??? albums are very prog albums as well, as they are 2 of the 4 first albums by the band which were all highly progressive. i would rate them
Lawn Boy: 7
Rift: 9
Junta and APON i pretty much agree with. Ghost should be bumped up one, but the rest i agree too.
after A Picture of Nectar they went to a more jam based style, but then again, YES went commercial after the 70's, Genesis went pop, Pink Floyd went boring, and Gentle Giant went commercial as well. Phish still made great prog songs, at least one per album.
point is they started out as a prog band, but lost some of their touch later one, but not completely. theres tons of prog bands with those same characteristics
Edited by darkshade - October 02 2006 at 23:03
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stonebeard
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Posted: October 02 2006 at 22:48 |
darkshade wrote:
Bj-1 wrote:
I think they're prog enough to be here. I mean, they're way more prog than most of those other prog-related bands featured here!!! |
Phish is probably the only real prog band that's somehow in that category on this site... |
Scale of Progginess (IMO):
1 = Regular old jam stuff. Equivalent of Dave Matthews Band in terms of progginess.
10 = Very prog. Maybe not CTTE, but definitely prog.
Junta: 8
Lawn Boy: ???
Rift: ???
A Picture of Nectar: 8
Billy Breathes: 2
Hoist: 1
Story of the Ghost: 4
Farmhouse: 3
Round Room: 4
Undermined: 3
They're in the right place, IMO.
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Atkingani
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Posted: October 02 2006 at 22:48 |
darkshade wrote:
now when are Beethoven, Mozart, Vivaldi and Bach gonna be added to the site??????? they were highly progressive artists! |
They are here! But not directly...
I'm just listening now to an album by Los Canarios (Spain) called "Ciclos" which is based entirely on Vivaldi's 4 Seasons!
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darkshade
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Posted: October 02 2006 at 22:44 |
now when are Beethoven, Mozart, Vivaldi and Bach gonna be added to the site??????? they were highly progressive artists!
Edited by darkshade - October 02 2006 at 22:44
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darkshade
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Posted: October 02 2006 at 22:41 |
Bj-1 wrote:
I think they're prog enough to be here. I mean, they're way more prog than most of those other prog-related bands featured here!!! |
Phish is probably the only real prog band that's somehow in that category on this site...
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Uther
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Posted: October 02 2006 at 21:29 |
Tony R wrote:
lightbulb_son wrote:
Wo since when did we add Iron freakin' Maiden!
I love those guys with a passion that none of you can comprehend, but prog???
7th son is the only album I can even consider prog-related, so how did you guys come up with this?
Not that it's a bad thing, I'll be spewing out reviews on about every single album, but I'd love to know the criteria behind this decision.
I think I'll start with powerslave[IMG]height=17 alt="Big smile" src="http://www.progarchives.com/forum/smileys/smiley4.gif" width=17 align=absMiddle> | PROG_RELATED |
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What! can the devil speak true?
Macbeth, 1. 3
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el böthy
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Posted: October 02 2006 at 21:06 |
The Miracle wrote:
One of my favorite bands ever, but not nearly prog enough to be here.
Good music doesn't have to be prog. | true true...although its almoust a fact that good music will turn out to be prog, its not always the case
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Dr. Evil
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Posted: October 02 2006 at 19:18 |
Tony R wrote:
Prog Related
Rock and Pop Bands and Artists after 1970 who were not truly “prog” (as that term is generally and broadly defined, even by the site), but who were clearly not “mainstream” or simply “rock” bands.
A wide subgenre that encompasses two kinds of bands/artist, that either consist of progressive artist that strayed away from their progressive roots into mainstream rock or were influenced by progressive rock.
Even though the music by these artists is sometimes unrelated it had things in common with prog music in that it was very structured and even adventurous, sometimes hard or heavy, sometimes mellow, strong melodies, good hooks are an integral part of most of the material. Sometimes these artists pioneered other rock genres.
Though most of these artist can't really be considered progressive themselves, their relation to progressive music is not to be underestimated.
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^^what I said before
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Asyte2c00
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Posted: October 02 2006 at 19:16 |
Okay, Since Maiden has been added to PA.
It should be an easy undertaking to add the Grateful Dead to PA, Considering their psychadeklic counterpart Jefferson Airplane is in the Archives!!!!
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Dr. Evil
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Posted: October 02 2006 at 19:15 |
Tony R wrote:
lightbulb_son wrote:
Wo since when did we add Iron freakin' Maiden!
I love those guys with a passion that none of you can comprehend, but prog???
7th son is the only album I can even consider prog-related, so how did you guys come up with this?
Not that it's a bad thing, I'll be spewing out reviews on about every single album, but I'd love to know the criteria behind this decision.
I think I'll start with powerslave[IMG]height=17 alt="Big smile" src="http://www.progarchives.com/forum/smileys/smiley4.gif" width=17 align=absMiddle> |
PROG_RELATED |
Sounds like Led Zep could fit easily on this category Edit: sorry wrong quote
Edited by Dr. Evil - October 02 2006 at 19:18
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eugene
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Posted: October 02 2006 at 19:09 |
Bj-1 wrote:
I think they're prog enough to be here. I mean, they're way more prog than most of those other prog-related bands featured here!!! |
I'd say - they are not prog, as many of those other prog-related bands featured here, and many of those not added yet as well .
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Tony R
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Posted: October 02 2006 at 19:09 |
Prog Related
Rock and Pop Bands and Artists after 1970 who were not truly “prog” (as that term is generally and broadly defined, even by the site), but who were clearly not “mainstream” or simply “rock” bands.
A wide subgenre that encompasses two kinds of bands/artist, that either consist of progressive artist that strayed away from their progressive roots into mainstream rock or were influenced by progressive rock.
Even though the music by these artists is sometimes unrelated it had things in common with prog music in that it was very structured and even adventurous, sometimes hard or heavy, sometimes mellow, strong melodies, good hooks are an integral part of most of the material. Sometimes these artists pioneered other rock genres.
Though most of these artist can't really be considered progressive themselves, their relation to progressive music is not to be underestimated.
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