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    Posted: September 19 2006 at 04:36
ELP are a bit too pompous at times; nevertheless at least the first 3 albums of ELP are ok. I would perhaps even give 4 stars to "Tarkus". but Kansas? no-one has managed to convince me of them yet. the vocals ruin everything; instrumentally they could get away with their music, although they sound a bit like an American version of Gentle Giant. the instrumental parts, that is, not the vocals, which are simply horribly


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How 'bout all Southern Rock band vocalists sound like Gregg Allman?
 
 
Anyway that's what I think they sound like, and I don't know jack about music.


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Originally posted by Australian Australian wrote:

For me, vocalists either sound like Roger Waters (just like Andy Latimer, Dad Gilmour, Greg Lake and so on), or like Steve Walsh (all southern Rock bands). And there are the unique vocalists like Jon Anderson, Geddy Lee, Robert Plant. Just my opinion.

 
Hmmmm...  I have to disagree about 'all Southern Rock bands'.  For one, not too many people consider Kansas to be a southern state.  And most of the better-known southern bands were coming into their own around the same time Kansas was, so I don't think Walsh was all that influenced by them.
 
And I don't think most of these guys sounded at all like Walsh:
 

.38 Special - Florida

Allman Brothers - Georgia

Amazing Rhythm Aces -Tennessee

Atlanta Rhythm Section -Georgia

Black Oak Arkansas - Arkansas

Blackfoot - Florida

Charlie Daniels Band – Tennessee

Dixie Dregs – Florida

Doc Holliday - Georgia

Edgar Winter’s White Trash – Texas

Elvin Bishop – Oklahoma

Foghat – [J]

Georgia Satellites – Georgia

Gov’t Mule – Florida

Johnny Winter Band - Texas

Le Roux – Louisiana

Little River Band – Australia (really deep south!)

Lynyrd Skynyrd - Florida

Marshall Tucker Band - South Carolina

Molly Hatchet – Florida

Rossington Collins Band - Florida

Salem Hill – Tennessee

Stevie Ray Vaughan - Texas

Wet Willie - Alabama

ZZ Top – Texas

 

Walsh doesn't even have a southern accent, for goodness sakes.  Even his Streets and solo stuff is closer to midwest power rock than it is to southern rock.  Sure, they did a couple boogy tunes back in the day, but heck - I've heard both Yes and Phil Collins do reggae, that doesn't make them Jamaican!

 

I dunno', I just don't see him sounding southern-rock to me at all. 

 

 

 

 

 
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I like ELP, have an enormous amount of respect for them, but they are not at the top of my list. I have the debut, "Brain Salad Surgery," and "Trilogy."

Kansas is O.K. I enjoy their music to a point. I gave "Leftoverture" another chance recently, but they just don't interest me that much. If I had more albums, I know they wouldn't get played.
    

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Originally posted by Australian Australian wrote:

For me, vocalists either sound like Roger Waters (just like Andy Latimer, Dad Gilmour, Greg Lake and so on), or like Steve Walsh (all southern Rock bands). And there are the unique vocalists like Jon Anderson, Geddy Lee, Robert Plant. Just my opinion.

 
I think Greg Lake's in a class of his own.
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For me, vocalists either sound like Roger Waters (just like Andy Latimer, Dad Gilmour, Greg Lake and so on), or like Steve Walsh (all southern Rock bands). And there are the unique vocalists like Jon Anderson, Geddy Lee, Robert Plant. Just my opinion.

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Originally posted by Masque Masque wrote:

Steve Walsh had "the voice" probably the best voice I`ve ever heard in prog Smile 
 
I agree, and Steinhardt has a very unique voice as well (although admittedly not as talented vocally as Walsh).
 
I wonder if there is anything to the thought that tonsil-flaring, from-the-gut vocals are something that are an acquired taste.  It seems to me that whenever someone comments in a negative way about Kansas vocals (i.e., Steve Walsh), there is often a comment that the band is "too AOR", and usually comparisons to Journey, Boston, even Foreigner.  These are all bands that also had very strong vocalists who stretched the bounds of credible with their force, power, and range. 
 
I would have to say that the more 'traditional' prog bands have tended to have vocalists that were either more reserved, or were just weird.  Or both....
 
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ELP: I really like some of there songs, but some of it is atrocious. They were bombastic for the sake of being bombastic, and there albums were full of filler, whether they were lame comedy songs or endless piano solos. They were also very weak songwriters, soloing away instead of finding good melodies.
 
 
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Steve Walsh had "the voice" probably the best voice I`ve ever heard in prog Smile 
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Originally posted by Australian Australian wrote:

So it’s the vocals that cause problems for some people. I’ve never had a problem with the vocals of any band. I guess it must be the same argument for some people who dislike Jon Anderson’s voice.

 
Me neither, really, except for Rush. But that was for about 3 days. Keep in mind I was about 11 at the time. But now, they're in my Top 3. Tastes change. (Before Prog saved me from madness, I'd been listening to Christian punk and rap metal Dead)
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So it’s the vocals that cause problems for some people. I’ve never had a problem with the vocals of any band. I guess it must be the same argument for some people who dislike Jon Anderson’s voice.

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Originally posted by mickstafa mickstafa wrote:



I was realizing today, that if Walsh had a british accent, perhaps I would like them!! Now isn't that silly? I guess I'm accustomed to my prog having British accents.  (athough I do like Glass Hammer, Yezda Urfa, and Belew in KC....)


Interesting - I just made a similar comment the other day on a thread about bands "you'll never get into"....


    
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Carry on Wayward Son has excellent lyrics IMO, the song is a classic and will be remembered long after 99.9% of any Progressive band listed on this site. (As will "Dust in the wind")
Thats a fact.


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Originally posted by sleeper sleeper wrote:

not bad at song writing
 
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ELP is amazing, I love 'em. While the filler tracks on many albums like Tarkus or BSS are usually skipable, the epics more than make up for them.

Its funny you bring up Kansas. I am (once again) giving them another chance by listening to my copy of Leftoverture. This is the 3rd or 4th attempt to enjoy them. I absolutely love the music but I HATE the vocals (both the lyrics and the sound).  Sounds too AOR to me (this discussion has been done to death here, and I'm sure the vocals is what 99% of Kansas haters will cite).

I was realizing today, that if Walsh had a british accent, perhaps I would like them!! Now isn't that silly? I guess I'm accustomed to my prog having British accents.  (athough I do like Glass Hammer, Yezda Urfa, and Belew in KC....)


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From both bands I only have one album (Brain Salad Surgery, Leftoverture). With ELP I like the multipart Karn Evil 9, its a damn good prog epic, but the rest of the songs on the album leaveme completely indifferent. Toccata really does sound like arcade music and seems to lack any real direction, the other songs were just forgetable to me.

With Leftoverture, their wasnt anything that really grabed me. They are good musicians (though I find it impossible to hear the violin player, no matter how hard I try) and not bad at song writing, its just that it sounds too much like simple AOR to me, its not as dynamic as the English bands have proven to be.
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0i love kansas great band and i like elp [the first couple of albums are great!!!]but after love beach they lost the plot
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Love ELP, haven't heard enough of Kansas yet.
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Australian I`m a little interested in what you think of Kansas and ELP ? ... I love em both , sure I can find faults with them but that's OK both bands have produced so much brilliant stuff that the bad stuff is forgivable.   I know you are asking people who don`t like these bands for their reason but I just had to make a comment  Wink


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I'm not familiar with Kansas and cannot speak about them. But ELP -- once I liked them. Then became indifferent. Now I can't stand them. Why? I would like to know it not less than you do. The only thing that comes to my mind is that it's the manner of Emerson's playing which irritates me (because I'm still able to listen to Lake's songs, like "From the Beginning", for example).
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