Outcast Monsters
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Topic: Outcast Monsters
Posted By: Australian
Subject: Outcast Monsters
Date Posted: September 17 2006 at 23:39
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It has come to my attention that many people dislike I love both bands. ------------- 
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Posted By: stonebeard
Date Posted: September 17 2006 at 23:49
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ELP: The keyboards are way too....(can't find appropriate word)....flashy, I suppose. That and the sounds Emerson uses I find too cheeky sometimes.
I generally like ELP, just not a whole lot. ------------- http://soundcloud.com/drewagler" rel="nofollow - My soundcloud. Please give feedback if you want! |
Posted By: Fassbinder
Date Posted: September 17 2006 at 23:50
| I'm not familiar with Kansas and cannot speak about them. But ELP -- once I liked them. Then became indifferent. Now I can't stand them. Why? I would like to know it not less than you do. The only thing that comes to my mind is that it's the manner of Emerson's playing which irritates me (because I'm still able to listen to Lake's songs, like "From the Beginning", for example). |
Posted By: Masque
Date Posted: September 18 2006 at 00:14
Australian I`m a little interested in what you think of Kansas and ELP ? ... I love em both , sure I can find faults with them but that's OK both bands have produced so much brilliant stuff that the bad stuff is forgivable. I know you are asking people who don`t like these bands for their reason but I just had to make a comment  ------------- |
Posted By: Leningrad
Date Posted: September 18 2006 at 00:19
| Love ELP, haven't heard enough of Kansas yet. |
Posted By: martinprog77
Date Posted: September 18 2006 at 03:48
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0i love kansas great band and i like elp [the first couple of albums are great!!!]but after love beach they lost the plot ------------- Nothing can last there are no second chances. Never give a day away. Always live for today. |
Posted By: sleeper
Date Posted: September 18 2006 at 05:29
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From both bands I only have one album (Brain Salad Surgery, Leftoverture). With ELP I like the multipart Karn Evil 9, its a damn good prog epic, but the rest of the songs on the album leaveme completely indifferent. Toccata really does sound like arcade music and seems to lack any real direction, the other songs were just forgetable to me. With Leftoverture, their wasnt anything that really grabed me. They are good musicians (though I find it impossible to hear the violin player, no matter how hard I try) and not bad at song writing, its just that it sounds too much like simple AOR to me, its not as dynamic as the English bands have proven to be. ------------- Spending more than I should on Prog since 2005 
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Posted By: mickstafa
Date Posted: September 18 2006 at 07:02
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ELP is amazing, I love 'em. While the filler tracks on many albums like Tarkus or BSS are usually skipable, the epics more than make up for them. Its funny you bring up Kansas. I am (once again) giving them another chance by listening to my copy of Leftoverture. This is the 3rd or 4th attempt to enjoy them. I absolutely love the music but I HATE the vocals (both the lyrics and the sound). Sounds too AOR to me (this discussion has been done to death here, and I'm sure the vocals is what 99% of Kansas haters will cite). I was realizing today, that if Walsh had a british accent, perhaps I would like them!! Now isn't that silly? I guess I'm accustomed to my prog having British accents. (athough I do like Glass Hammer, Yezda Urfa, and Belew in KC....) |
Posted By: Harry Hood
Date Posted: September 18 2006 at 08:36
Carry On Wayward Son
 "On a stormy sea of moving emotion
Tossed about I'm like a ship on the ocean"  ------------- 
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sleeper wrote:Posted By: WaywardSon
Date Posted: September 18 2006 at 08:52
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Carry on Wayward Son has excellent lyrics IMO, the song is a classic and will be remembered long after 99.9% of any Progressive band listed on this site. (As will "Dust in the wind")
Thats a fact.
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Posted By: ClemofNazareth
Date Posted: September 18 2006 at 09:07
Interesting - I just made a http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=28676&PID=2182039#2182039 - similar comment the other day on a thread about bands "you'll never get into".... ------------- "Peace is the only battle worth waging." Albert Camus |
Posted By: Australian
Date Posted: September 18 2006 at 20:12
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So it’s the vocals that cause problems for some people. I’ve never had a problem with the vocals of any band. I guess it must be the same argument for some people who dislike Jon Anderson’s voice. -------------
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Posted By: Leningrad
Date Posted: September 18 2006 at 20:15
Me neither, really, except for Rush. But that was for about 3 days. Keep in mind I was about 11 at the time. But now, they're in my Top 3. Tastes change. (Before Prog saved me from madness, I'd been listening to Christian punk and rap metal
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Posted By: Masque
Date Posted: September 18 2006 at 21:40
Steve Walsh had "the voice" probably the best voice I`ve ever heard in prog 
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Posted By: The Wizard
Date Posted: September 18 2006 at 21:43
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ELP: I really like some of there songs, but some of it is atrocious. They were bombastic for the sake of being bombastic, and there albums were full of filler, whether they were lame comedy songs or endless piano solos. They were also very weak songwriters, soloing away instead of finding good melodies.
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Posted By: ClemofNazareth
Date Posted: September 18 2006 at 22:07
I agree, and Steinhardt has a very unique voice as well (although admittedly not as talented vocally as Walsh).
I wonder if there is anything to the thought that tonsil-flaring, from-the-gut vocals are something that are an acquired taste. It seems to me that whenever someone comments in a negative way about Kansas vocals (i.e., Steve Walsh), there is often a comment that the band is "too AOR", and usually comparisons to Journey, Boston, even Foreigner. These are all bands that also had very strong vocalists who stretched the bounds of credible with their force, power, and range.
I would have to say that the more 'traditional' prog bands have tended to have vocalists that were either more reserved, or were just weird. Or both....
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Posted By: Australian
Date Posted: September 18 2006 at 22:19
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For me, vocalists either sound like Roger Waters (just like Andy Latimer, Dad Gilmour, Greg Lake and so on), or like Steve Walsh (all southern Rock bands). And there are the unique vocalists like Jon Anderson, Geddy Lee, Robert Plant. Just my opinion. -------------
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Posted By: Leningrad
Date Posted: September 18 2006 at 22:21
I think Greg Lake's in a class of his own.
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Posted By: bhikkhu
Date Posted: September 18 2006 at 22:44
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I like ELP, have an enormous amount of respect for them, but they are not at the top of my list. I have the debut, "Brain Salad Surgery," and "Trilogy."
Kansas is O.K. I enjoy their music to a point. I gave "Leftoverture" another chance recently, but they just don't interest me that much. If I had more albums, I know they wouldn't get played. ------------- a.k.a. H.T. http://riekels.wordpress.com" rel="nofollow - http://riekels.wordpress.com |
Posted By: ClemofNazareth
Date Posted: September 18 2006 at 22:50
Hmmmm... I have to disagree about 'all Southern Rock bands'. For one, not too many people consider Kansas to be a southern state. And most of the better-known southern bands were coming into their own around the same time Kansas was, so I don't think Walsh was all that influenced by them.
And I don't think most of these guys sounded at all like Walsh:
.38 Special - Allman Brothers - Georgia Amazing Rhythm Aces - Black Oak Blackfoot - Charlie Daniels Band – Dixie Dregs – Doc Holliday - Edgar Winter’s White Trash – Elvin Bishop – Foghat – [J] Gov’t Mule – Johnny Winter Band - Le Roux – Little River Band – Lynyrd Skynyrd - Marshall Tucker Band - Molly Hatchet – Rossington Collins Band - Salem Hill – Stevie Ray Vaughan - Wet Willie - ZZ Top – ------------- "Peace is the only battle worth waging." Albert Camus |
Posted By: Australian
Date Posted: September 19 2006 at 00:38
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How 'bout all Southern Rock band vocalists sound like Gregg Allman?
Anyway that's what I think they sound like, and I don't know jack about music. -------------
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Posted By: BaldJean
Date Posted: September 19 2006 at 04:36
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ELP are a bit too pompous at times; nevertheless at least the first 3
albums of ELP are ok. I would perhaps even give 4 stars to "Tarkus".
but Kansas? no-one has managed to convince me of them yet. the vocals
ruin everything; instrumentally they could get away with their music,
although they sound a bit like an American version of Gentle Giant. the
instrumental parts, that is, not the vocals, which are simply horribly -------------  A shot of me as High Priestess of Gaia during our fall festival. Ceterum censeo principiis obsta |