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Dick Heath
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Topic: Classical Music influences in Prog Posted: October 09 2006 at 11:56 |
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salmacis
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Posted: October 09 2006 at 10:18 |
Perhaps the most classically oriented of the classical prog bands are Sky and The Enid. Neither do much for me- 'classical rock' itself rarely does. Something about Sky and The Enid I find rather cheesy, but lots of people like them so what do I know? I love 'Pictures At An Exhibition' and whether it's all that faithful or respectful doesn't worry me (I did hear the original version in a music lesson around 4 years ago)- I just love their interpretation. I also love Rick Wakeman's early albums. That said, Keith Emerson's 'Piano Concerto' which was an attempt to do a modern classical piece was rather obvious ego massaging, imo. I don't like that much at all.
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Posted: October 09 2006 at 07:35 |
Ivan_Melgar_M wrote:
Peter and the Wolf, A Prog Fairytale
A complete Fusion version of Prokofiev's work with this excelent cast:
The Cast: - Narrator / Vivian Stnshall - Peter / Manfred Mann - Bird / Gary Brooker - Duck / Chris Spedding - Duck / Gary Moore - Cat / Stephane Grappelli - Wolf / Brian Eno - Pond / Keith Tippett - Grandfather / Jack Lancaster - Hunters / Jon Hiseman, Bill Bruford, Cozy Powell, Phil Collins
Additional Musicians: - John Goodsall, Pete Haywood, Alvin Lee / guitars - Percy Jones, Andy Pyle, Dave Marquee / bass - Robin Lumley / keyboards - Cozy Powell & Phil Collins / drums - Bernie Frost, Julie Tippetts, The English Chorale / vocals
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wooow, brilliant line-up, i guess it surely done an awesome job, i'll look for it. it's an ALL STAR line up.
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Posted: October 07 2006 at 21:14 |
Eric Satie inTony Banks Aaron Copland in ELP,Bach in Yngwie Malmsteen AND jon lord, tchaikovski in Cozy Powell,Rossini in Marillion
Edited by markosherrera - October 22 2006 at 14:12
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Posted: September 21 2006 at 08:22 |
Artists/bands (not necessarily prog) that come to mind when talking about classical connections :
The Enid
Sagrado Coraçao da Terra
Marco Antonio Araujo
Jethro Tull
The Nice
ELP
Steve Hackett
Vitalij Kuprij
Tony McAlpine
Yngwie Malmsteen
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"Magma was the very first gothic rock band" (Didier Lockwood)
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pero
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Posted: September 21 2006 at 02:52 |
Ravel's Bolero challenges many musicians: Jeff Beck, Zappa, ELP
Eumir Deodato - album "Prelude" - Also sprach Zaratustra (Strauss), Prelude to the afternoon of the Faun (Debussy), Baubles, Bangles and Beads (Borodin)
Edited by pero - September 21 2006 at 02:55
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Posted: September 21 2006 at 02:13 |
Peter and the Wolf, A Prog Fairytale
A complete Fusion version of Prokofiev's work with this excelent cast:
The Cast: - Narrator / Vivian Stnshall - Peter / Manfred Mann - Bird / Gary Brooker - Duck / Chris Spedding - Duck / Gary Moore - Cat / Stephane Grappelli - Wolf / Brian Eno - Pond / Keith Tippett - Grandfather / Jack Lancaster - Hunters / Jon Hiseman, Bill Bruford, Cozy Powell, Phil Collins
Additional Musicians: - John Goodsall, Pete Haywood, Alvin Lee / guitars - Percy Jones, Andy Pyle, Dave Marquee / bass - Robin Lumley / keyboards - Cozy Powell & Phil Collins / drums - Bernie Frost, Julie Tippetts, The English Chorale / vocals
Iván
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Posted: September 20 2006 at 19:18 |
How about THE NICE? Kind of a mix between Type 1 and Type 2. THE NICE was twisting classics and jazz like mad from 1967 and 1971.
- Intermezzo from Sibelius' Karelia Suite on "Ars Longa Vita Brevis".
- A movement from Bach's Brandenburg Concerto No. 3 also on "Ars Longa Vita Brevis".
- Tchaikovsky's Pathetique Symphony No. 6 3rd Movement on "Five Bridges Suite".
- Brandenburg Concerto No. 6 on "Five Bridges Suite".
- Leonard Bernstein's West Side Story America (2nd Movement) on "Elegy" which has a smattering of Dvořák's Symphony No. 9 (New World Symphony).
But if you read the Wikipedia write-up on THE NICE you'll see that there are several quotes in other THE NICE tracks to classical composers (Rachmaninoff and Lalo, to name two) plus jazz composers. Actually, until I read the article I did not realise just how many classical and jazz (and pop, and rock) quotes THE NICE used in their tracks. Makes me even more impressed with the group actually, even if some of what they were playing was not completely original. This was progressive rock without a doubt: rock with classical and jazz quotes and influences, plus rocked-up, twisted versions of the classics and jazz pieces. It sure as Hell wasn't bog-standard rock or pop-rock.
Edited by Fitzcarraldo - September 20 2006 at 19:20
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Posted: September 20 2006 at 18:14 |
melomano wrote:
R o V e R wrote:
Ritchie Blackmore Rainbow-Hall of the mountain king
(Arrangment) From Edward Greg's "Peer Giant" suite |
And many other too... Rick Wakeman and ELO versions are probably the most known. This is like a standard, as "So What" in jazz.
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it's "Peer Gynt" and not "Peer Giant" . and it is Edvard Grieg, not Greg
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melomano
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Posted: September 20 2006 at 18:08 |
R o V e R wrote:
Ritchie Blackmore Rainbow-Hall of the mountain king
(Arrangment) From Edward Greg's "Peer Giant" suite |
And many other too... Rick Wakeman and ELO versions are probably the most known. This is like a standard, as "So What" in jazz.
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Posted: September 20 2006 at 17:29 |
Eetu Pellonpää wrote:
PROCOL HARUM's "Whiter Shade of Pale" and more strongly "Repent Walpurgis" |
Nice jazz/rock variation of famous Bach chord used in ' A Whiter Shade Of Pale' came in Colosseum's 'Beware The Ides Of March' on their first album.
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I know every scene by heart, they all went by so fast.....
Either I'm too sensitive or else I'm gettin' soft.'
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Dick Heath
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Posted: September 20 2006 at 12:49 |
A B Negative wrote:
oliverstoned wrote:
[QUOTE=yesfan88] King Crimson did a version of Holst's "Mars" from the Planets suite. I heard it on a live album my friend had...I forgot what they called it. |
The first incarnation of King Crimson performed a version of Mars (heavy on the mellotron!) when they played live. There are a few recordings available, including on Epitaph Volumes 1 & 2. By the time KC recorded In the Wake of Poseidon it had evolved into The Devil's Triangle but still sounded very similar to the original.
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Anekdoten on an early demo cassette that floats amongst the devotees, has 3 Krimson covers - including something called Mars.........(less Holst more KC than anything)
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Posted: September 20 2006 at 11:44 |
oliverstoned wrote:
[QUOTE=yesfan88] King Crimson did a version of Holst's "Mars" from the Planets suite. I heard it on a live album my friend had...I forgot what they called it. |
The first incarnation of King Crimson performed a version of Mars (heavy on the mellotron!) when they played live. There are a few recordings available, including on Epitaph Volumes 1 & 2. By the time KC recorded In the Wake of Poseidon it had evolved into The Devil's Triangle but still sounded very similar to the original.
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Posted: September 20 2006 at 08:49 |
Dragon Phoenix wrote:
Renaissance - Scheherazade suite quotes from Rimsky-Korsakov's
Scheherazade. This is one of the few occassions where classical music
is used tastefully in prog IMHO.
Another one not yet mentioned I think is Joybringer by MMEB (Holst - Jupiter from The Planets).
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Trouble is, Renaissance also tastelessy quoted Beethoven's " Pathetique" Sonata in one piece - I forget which, as it was so awful, but I think it is on "Turn of the Cards".
More tasteful is Andrew Lloyd Webber's "Variations" (On a theme of Paganini), which draws more on Rachmaninov than Paganini, but is nonetheless quite brilliant.
On the flip side, the Butcher Shop Quartet have produced an amazing arrangement of Stravinsky's "Rite of Spring" for rock band.
And you can't talk about "Classical" music in prog without mentioning The Enid, who are/were the very best at incorporating orchestral music with prog.
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Posted: September 20 2006 at 07:31 |
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Posted: September 20 2006 at 07:29 |
BaldJean wrote:
Mother Gong use the theme of Ravel's "Introduction & Allegro for harp, flute, clarinet & string quartet" for the track "The Three Tongues" from their album "Fairy Tales" and even improve the theme slightly (the first 4 bars of the beginning of the theme are repeated in Ravel's version; in Mother Gong's version the last note of these 4 bars goes up instead of down in the repetition, which is in my opinion an improvement)
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Interesting! i have to give it another listen.
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BaldJean
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Posted: September 20 2006 at 06:57 |
Mother Gong use the theme of Ravel's "Introduction & Allegro for harp, flute, clarinet & string quartet" for the track "The Three Tongues" from their album "Fairy Tales" and even improve the theme slightly (the first 4 bars of the beginning of the theme are repeated in Ravel's version; in Mother Gong's version the last note of these 4 bars goes up instead of down in the repetition, which is in my opinion an improvement)
Edited by BaldJean - September 20 2006 at 06:58
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Dragon Phoenix
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Posted: September 20 2006 at 06:50 |
Renaissance - Scheherazade suite quotes from Rimsky-Korsakov's
Scheherazade. This is one of the few occassions where classical music
is used tastefully in prog IMHO.
Another one not yet mentioned I think is Joybringer by MMEB (Holst - Jupiter from The Planets).
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http://artrock2006.blogspot.com
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Posted: September 20 2006 at 06:16 |
Mars Volta-The Bach Song?
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The universe is in constant pursuit of a celestial home.
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Dick Heath
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Posted: September 20 2006 at 05:48 |
Let us welcome back an favourite thread from the dead.
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