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Sean Trane 
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Prog Folk Joined: April 29 2004 Location: Heart of Europe Status: Offline Points: 20314 |
 Topic: New RIO festival in France for 2007Posted: May 07 2007 at 06:13 |
Although I had seen Nebenest a few years ago and had well enjoyed it, I feared a bit for them being out of their league with such a stellar line-up of this festival.
Clearly their music is more Crimson-based ( I always refer to their sound as the Live USA album improv track Asbury Park) and was not as appealing to RIO/Zeuhl fans. Posting also in Progressive Ears (where a fair bit of members were present), Nebelnest's performance was also not as well received as well.
Chris, I suggest you start with their bebut album , in case youi don't have it yet
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let's just stay above the moral melee
prefer the sink to the gutter keep our sand-castle virtues content to be a doer as well as a thinker, prefer lifting our pen rather than un-sheath our sword |
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Cesar Inca
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Honorary Collaborator Joined: May 19 2004 Location: Peru Status: Offline Points: 4888 |
Posted: May 04 2007 at 11:52 |
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Thank you for the input. They clarified some concepts noted down in other previous message. A big salutation to all of you who enjoyed the festival.
Kind regards.
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Syzygy
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Honorary Collaborator Joined: December 16 2004 Location: United Kingdom Status: Offline Points: 7003 |
Posted: April 29 2007 at 06:29 |
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I think that if I had seen Nebelnest in a different context - at a festival with a lot of neo prog bands for example - I'd have been a lot more impressed. As Unbeliever said, they're good musicians and they have a sound that I enjoy, and there was certainly nothing wrong with their performance at the festival; as I think I said in my review, they seemed to go down well with the audience. In the context of the RIO festival, however, they were quite unexceptional. Guapo (probably the band closest to them in style) gave a much more exciting performance, both musically and visually, and seemed to fit the RIO mould much more comfortably. Nebelnest's compositions dont always have the unexpected twists and turns of RIO at its best, and there didn't seem to be much improvisation either. Bear in mind as well that Nebelnest were appearing alongside legends like Magma, Faust and Present; it was a bit like seeing IQ appearing at the same festival as Genesis, Yes and Jethro Tull (and not the crappy 80s incarnations either).
To put it in some kind of perspective, although I wasn't that impressed with their festival performance Zepto is still on my shopping list and, based on your description, I expect that I'll enjoy it.
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'Like so many of you
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Unbeliever
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Posted: April 28 2007 at 19:54 |
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My impression of NeBeLNeST's concert, and indeed of their recorded output so far is that their music doesn't seem to develop. Sure, the albums document a development of the band, and their sound is progressive, but within the music I don't get the feeling that it is taking you anywhere - it doesn't progress in the same way that Guapo's Five Suns or a Present composition does (to draw comparisons to the other performers of the event).
That said, NeBeLNeST are good musicians, their gig was tight and well prepared and the visual show well presented. I just think they don't have the strength in composition of some of the other bands performing at the festival. the band are young, and perhaps this will change. After their concert though I did get the positive feeling that there are still people making new challenging music and that it is still evolving. I think their inclusion in the RIO festival was essential as it epitomizes the original zeitgeist of the RIO movement to support new music and new musicians. |
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Egbe Mi O Carry Me I Want To Die
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Cesar Inca
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Posted: April 28 2007 at 11:46 |
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HI, RIO FOLKS, THIS IS CÉSAR INCA.
I haven't attended this RIO Festival, but surely you are quite aware of my interest in t5his genre and my deepst appreciation for NeBeLNeST's music. I have all their albums and "ZePTO" was one of my partiuclar fave albums of 2006, so I was a bit concerned about the commentaries on their performance posted here.
I guess my question for all attendants is: What was the main reason for their performance being so dissaponting or nothing special?
Kind regards, and thanks in advance for your attention.
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Alucard
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Honorary Collaborator Joined: September 10 2004 Location: France Status: Offline Points: 3888 |
Posted: April 24 2007 at 11:03 |
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Hugues,
just a reminder of bygone days, when an old geezer crawles home after the last concert to get some sleep ,while the youth ....isn't life so unfair....
  PS 1 you have NO excuse for not coming next year !
PS 2 I did arrangements with the sport class to do the same stunts next year
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Tadpoles keep screaming in my ear
"Hey there! Rotter's Club! Explain the meaning of this song and share it" |
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Sean Trane
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Prog Folk Joined: April 29 2004 Location: Heart of Europe Status: Offline Points: 20314 |
Posted: April 24 2007 at 04:15 |
Nevermind the rest!! Please expand on this event!!!
  To really make me feel likre I lost out
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let's just stay above the moral melee
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Alucard
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Honorary Collaborator Joined: September 10 2004 Location: France Status: Offline Points: 3888 |
Posted: April 23 2007 at 14:07 |
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^^Thanx for the flowers Chris,
the compliment is returned with an extra flower for Madame Syzygy
my favourite moments in no specific order:
-Breakfast à l'auberge with the musicians & fans
-nearly all concerts with a special mention for Present, Faust & Guapo
-the rehearsal of 'Present' with Roger Trigaux howling and laughing in the mike for testing
-the John Greaves solo part of the Blegvad Trio concert
-the press conference of Peter Blegvad and seeing him after the conference talking to a fan half a meter beside his shoes
-the drumming of Vander, Cutler, Karmen, Niermeyer, Agren
-Mats Oberg dancing on stage after the concert
-Some girls from a sport-class, moving their matrasses to the boys room when we came home from a concert
-having a chat with John Greaves about his up-coming record
-The prog conference à l'auberge including Jean-Hervé Peron declaring 'Hawkwind' officially as Krautrock!
-The hot dogs from 'Omelette Atomique'
-Kido the guitar player from 'Salle Gaveau' playing 'Champs Ellyseés' & assorted Beatles tunes on Acoustic guitar on the record stand
-the 100% British look of Steve from the Rer stand (and having made Peter Blegvad sign my copy of his book)
-Chris playing 'Son Of Mister Green Genes ' on my Winnie Pooh plastic guitar
& Flora playing her Shakuhachi in the breakfast room
-Seeing Chris Cutler hop around during the 'Magma' concert to get the best look at Christian Vander
Edited by Alucard - April 24 2007 at 10:56 |
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victor77
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Posted: April 19 2007 at 19:37 |
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ask my friend if the blade was spinning, he saw it through the corner of his eye when jhp´s arm got weak and nearly cut his hair!
We all laugh now, but at the moment he was both angry and terrified!
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Syzygy
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Posted: April 19 2007 at 19:05 |
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I was on the far side of the hall, but I suspect you're right - Faust are very theatrical but I've spoken to Jean Herve on several occasions (including at the festival) and he doesn't strike me as the type to endanger his audience, even if the performance can seem traumatising.
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'Like so many of you
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VanderGraafKommandöh
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Posted: April 19 2007 at 18:52 |
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Was the blade actually turning, 'cause I think when Eminem (or whoever else did it) did it, the engine was running, but the blade wasn't spinning.
I suspect Roger Trigaux destroying his equipment was more dangerous.  |
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Syzygy
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Posted: April 19 2007 at 18:46 |
Remember kids, don't try this at home! Faust are professional abusers of power tools on stage (angle grinder and cement mixer were also featured) and are heavily insured. Probably.
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'Like so many of you
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VanderGraafKommandöh
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Posted: April 19 2007 at 18:39 |
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Eek, a chainsaw? Is that legal?
How did he manage not to hurt anyone?  |
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Syzygy
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Posted: April 19 2007 at 18:32 |
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Detailed reviews will appear in the live reviews forum, but here's my quick overview of the RIO festival: My musical highlights - Magma, Faust, Present (electric), Guapo, Salle Garveau Disappointments - Zao, Nebelnest, Mats Morgan I can't honestly say that I disliked any of the performances, and overall the standard was very high. I enjoyed Peter Blegvad's set, although I understand why some people felt it was out of place in this context, and Present's acoustic set was perhaps the boldest experiment of the weekend but for me it wasn't that successful. Memorable moments: John Greaves performing his wonderful setting of Dylan Thomas' "The Green Fuse" alone at the grand piano; Chris Cutler's drumming; Jean Herve Peron cutting the word 'Rien' into a piece of plasterboard before running amok in the audience with a chainsaw; Roger Trigaux's "Pete Townsend" moment; Dave Kerman shrieking 'did you hear what your mother said?'; Guapo wandering through the audience with gongs and melodicas; musicians staying in the same auberge as fans; Jean Herve Peron being the nicest chap you could meet (when he isn't brandishing a chainsaw). Cherry on the icing: meeting up with fellow RIO fans, especially Alucard (thanks for organising the taxi and generally being a splendid human being), Royal Jelly, Victor 77, Slipperman and the rest of the guys from Barcelona, all of whom made the whole thing pretty nearly perfect. See you next time guys, with any luck! Edited by Syzygy - April 19 2007 at 18:33 |
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uribreitman
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Posted: April 19 2007 at 08:25 |
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Hello Victor,
"i don´t think Roger Trigaux breaking the instruments was a great moment, but one of the saddest."
That's why it was a great moment - his rage was surprising and real.
Since both of us really don't why he did it, we can only assume his reasons. But it was a shock, and not a laugh.
"worst shows: Peter Blegvad Trio, nebelnest and guapo"
Me and two of my mates at the festival were *blown-out* by Guapo.
I really don't think it was one of the worst shows.
There is a general agreement about the fact that the Blegvad gig was aweful.
And about UZ - everyone knows that Daniel Denis is not a good friend of Trigaux. That's the main reason why there were not invited, I think.
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victor77
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Posted: April 18 2007 at 19:41 |
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brief reply to uri
First: i don´t think Roger Trigaux breaking the instruments was a great moment, but one of the saddest. As we all got very surprised when it happened and we even laughed for a while, after the concert we had a discussion with my mates and we reached this conclusion: Roger Trigaux broke his instruments because he was unable to play with the rest of the band, and he felt so angry by that that he exploded. When at the end of Promenade... all the band was doing the noisy improvisation, Roger Trigaux really wanted to play withthem and join the noisy sounds, and for sure the music was all clear in his mind, but he was too weak to play with them, and that was why he exploded in rage and anger, because he could not play. remeber taht after all the breakening, Roger Trigaux stood opposite the band and the audience, hiding his face with his hands. Shame? Sadness? Rage? I don´t know.
Second: Univers Zero was contacted to play for the festival, but they were not finallly invited because they were too expensive and because its playing was not worth for the festival (anyone take his own conclusion about this)
other things:
best shows: magma, present (acoustic), mats/morgan and salle gaveau
worst shows: Peter Blegvad Trio, nebelnest and guapo
the great question of the festival; because the great level of drummers, could you imagine a show with christian vander, dave kerman, morgan agren and chris cutler playing all together?
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Alucard
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Posted: April 18 2007 at 13:57 |
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Salut Uri,
dommage that you didn't liked Peter Blegvad (who played as you surely Know with 'Faust', 'Slap 'Happy, was one of the fathers of 'Kew Rhône' and has IMO enough credits to be on the list of a RIO festival, even so the Blegvad Trio delivers mainly traditional songwriting. BTW His press conference was a highlight of RIO humour and wit and a masterpiece on it's own merit started by Chris hilarious questions!
PS I prefer to see Jean-Hervé Peron playing a chainsaw to Phil Collins singing.
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uribreitman
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Posted: April 18 2007 at 06:14 |
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The RIO Festival Report - France, April 2007
Time: Friday-Sunday, April 13-15 2007.
Location: Cap'Découverte, Carmaux, France. Bands: Magma (fr), Present (fr), Faust (de), Guapo (uk), Zao (fr), Mats Morgan Band (sw), Nebelnest (fr), Salle Gaveau (jp), Peter Blegvad Trio (uk). Summary: great festival, especially if you're French. Best Shows: 1) Guapo; 2) Magma; 3) Salle Gaveau. Worst Shows: 1) Peter Blegvad Trio; 2) Faust; 3) Zao. Production & Organization: 9/10 Greatest Moments: 1) Roger Trigaux of "Present" breaking an electric guitar on stage at the end of the show, and throwing the broken instrument on an innocent keyboard; 2) Christian Vander ending the festival with a small balade, sung by himself; 3) Mats Morgan band members jumping up & down on the stage; Worst Moments: 1) Peter Blegvad getting confused on which song he's going to sing next; 2) Zao pianist Francois Cahen telling the audience that their lead female singer has been hospitalized; 3) Faust's frontman Jean-Hervé Peron running with a handsaw through the terrified audience. Performance one-liner descriptions: Magma filled the hall and proved it was the king of the French prog scene, even today. Present chose to give 2 gigs, one acoustic with 2 pianos, one electric with a full band - both not their career peaks. Faust cared more about the opposition than the rock music itself. Guapo shocked the crowd with a powerful show, using high-volume and climax-building to great effect. Zao's lead singer couldn't show up, so their gig was one of their all-time worst. Mats Morgan band displayed a great sense of humor, happy melodies and excellent group cohesion. Nebelnest were fierce (drummer taking off his shirt on the 2nd piece), but couldn't go beyond their recorded output. Salle Gaveau came out of nowhere to suprise the French crowd with a very polished, elegant and lively ensemble playing. Peter Blegvad Trio were'nt RIO at all, and therefore should not have been invited to the festival. See you next year? Only if great names will show up. Suggestions for RIO-FEST 2008: 1) Eskaton; 2) Art Bears; 3) Thinking Plague; 4) Koenji Hyakkei; 5) Happy Family; 6) Universal Totem Orchestra; 7) Sleepytime Gorilla Museum; 8) Samla Mammas Manna; 9) Birdsongs of the Mesozoic; 10) Far Corner; 11) Univers Zero. Compliments: The Rocktime Association for a great event; The festival staff for a professional workout; Asaf Carmeli & Erez Sayag for the wise comments; Pedro from Portugal and Sergio from USA for the international angle; Udi Koomran for the inside stories; Steve Feigenbaum from Cunieform Records for the passionate debate; Jennifer Edmondson for the taxi sharing; Didier Laloup for the fine hospitality in the park inn. Originally posted at http://mitkadem.blogspot.com/ |
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avestin
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Posted: April 17 2007 at 20:11 |
I'll meet you there....
hopefully.....
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chamberry
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Posted: April 17 2007 at 19:34 |
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Good to see you guys enjoyed (and who couldn't you?
 )I would like to attend to next years festival. I may start saving some money for it. I'm looking forward to seeing the videos! |
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