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bhikkhu 
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 Topic: Reasons to NOT get an iPod
Posted: June 13 2006 at 21:47 |
 AtLossForWords wrote:
The CD player will always be the standard for music playing devices. Even though I need to carry extra batteries, I don't have to carry a charger around. I don't need to worry about breaking a heat/motion sensor or computer screen. I don't need to worry about a loss of data. I don't have to put a bunch of music on a PC before I can listen to it. CD players are the more convieniant item even if they are slightly more cumbersome. |
It sounds like you weren't around for the transitions of the past. Reel to reel, casette, 8-track, DAT, 10" 78 rpm, 45 rpm, 33 1/3 rpm, and then CD's. And casettes hung on because home CD recording is relatively new. You can't say that one medium will always be the standard. There are too many "Professor John Frinks" (glavin) out there, always trying to invent the next best thing.
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maani
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Posted: June 13 2006 at 17:27 |
To Firepuck's comments I would add that one of the trends these days in recording is to "simulate" the sound of old tube amps and analog recording equipment - and, in many cases, to actually use those technologies to do the actual recording. This is for the very reason that tube amps and analog recording technology provide a "warmer," "rawer" sound than digital, which many recording artists find "cold" and "clinical."
And although even this will not replace digital technology - whether CD, mp3, iPOD or bubble chips (to be invented...LOL) - it says something when even top-flight recording artists "revert" to tube amps and analog recording (or simulations of them).
By the way, more and more artists are using acoustic pianos for recording, and shying away from digital pianos and synthesizer patches to create the sound of a piano.
Peace.
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Rust
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Posted: June 13 2006 at 17:14 |
Firepuck wrote:
Rust wrote:
As "proggers" I think it is our duty to progress into the new technology available today, such as mp3 players.
If we continue to use cd-players but ignore their obvious problems and annoyances without seeking a solution, it would be as if the music artists continued to use old technology that could be easily fixed, but they still choose not to because eveyrone else does it. It would be as if the artist in the mid seventies ignored the synths because they were new, and I think the ones that did use the new technology and synths made the right choice, i.e. Yes.
Prog is not just our music preference, it is our lifestyle, we all know it.
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I DISAGREE with everything here.
I still play vinyl lp's and there are a lot of members here who would argue that they are acoustically superior to any digital format.
An artist who doesn't embrace technoclogy (ie synths) is not making a wrong choice - he/she is simply making a choice. There are many progressive artists who make music using old 70's technology (like a guitar!).
Prog is my music preference, it is not my lifestyle. |
The guitar really hasn't progressed much since the 70's, so it has nothing to do with my example like keybords. I didn't say that the artists who don't progress thier technology were making the "wrong" choice, I said they arn't taking advantage of great new devices, like Yes did with the synth, (thank God). If they Wakeman never started using the synth I wouldn't say he is wrong, I just would not be as interested in the band as I am now.
I myself have never heard a vinyl, and you are right that progressing is not always the best choice for everyone. I was trying to say that if you don't accept new technology, that could very well be better than the old, because everyone else uses it, then you would really be missing out on a potentially great thing.
Sorry if your lifestyle isn't prog, I know mine certainly is. I stay far from most mainstream trends, and do things because I like to do them. I am sure most prog artists make their music with that mindset as well. Prog has very much helped my life, not just my music collection.
Edited by Rust - June 13 2006 at 17:20
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Empathy
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Posted: June 13 2006 at 17:07 |
Firepuck wrote:
I still play vinyl lp's and there are a lot of
members here who would argue that they are acoustically superior to any
digital format.
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I'm sure that if you looked hard enough, you could find someone who
swears that the wax cylinder was the pinnacle of music reproduction. 
Just teasin'.
Kinda.
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Firepuck
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Posted: June 13 2006 at 16:59 |
Rust wrote:
As "proggers" I think it is our duty to progress into the new technology available today, such as mp3 players.
If we continue to use cd-players but ignore their obvious problems and annoyances without seeking a solution, it would be as if the music artists continued to use old technology that could be easily fixed, but they still choose not to because eveyrone else does it. It would be as if the artist in the mid seventies ignored the synths because they were new, and I think the ones that did use the new technology and synths made the right choice, i.e. Yes.
Prog is not just our music preference, it is our lifestyle, we all know it.
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I DISAGREE with everything here.
I still play vinyl lp's and there are a lot of members here who would argue that they are acoustically superior to any digital format.
An artist who doesn't embrace technoclogy (ie synths) is not making a wrong choice - he/she is simply making a choice. There are many progressive artists who make music using old 70's technology (like a guitar!).
Prog is my music preference, it is not my lifestyle.
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GoldenSpiral
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Posted: June 13 2006 at 16:58 |
point taken, but in that case, let's discuss my blank CD-R budget... that's not as big a problem i guess.
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Posted: June 13 2006 at 16:55 |
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^ Get rechargeable batteries. I bought 4 so I could a carry set around with me. They don't last as long but you still save a fortune in batteries.
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GoldenSpiral
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Posted: June 13 2006 at 16:53 |
^Maybe I should just save my dough for when that day comes.... another problem is that my AA battery budget wouldnt be able to support the rate at which I listen to music. 
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MikeEnRegalia
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Posted: June 13 2006 at 16:48 |
AtLossForWords wrote:
The CD player will always be the standard for music playing devices. Even though I need to carry extra batteries, I don't have to carry a charger around. I don't need to worry about breaking a heat/motion sensor or computer screen. I don't need to worry about a loss of data. I don't have to put a bunch of music on a PC before I can listen to it. CD players are the more convieniant item even if they are slightly more cumbersome. |
Not really - soon the mobile players will all be able to play lossless formats, and the computers will have enough storage to hold hundreds of albums in these formats. They sound 100% identical to CD ...
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Rust
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Posted: June 13 2006 at 16:44 |
Empathy wrote:
It IS prestigious. In fact, it's the most prestigious title anywhere in this thread! 
Now, if you could only convince Steven Wilson that MP3 players aren't evil...
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If I did that, he would have to convince me his new stuff is prog. 
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We got to pump the stuff to make us tough
from the heart
Its astart
What we need is awareness we cant get careless
Mental self defensive fitness
Make everybody see in order to fight the powers that be
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AtLossForWords
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Posted: June 13 2006 at 16:43 |
The CD player will always be the standard for music playing devices. Even though I need to carry extra batteries, I don't have to carry a charger around. I don't need to worry about breaking a heat/motion sensor or computer screen. I don't need to worry about a loss of data. I don't have to put a bunch of music on a PC before I can listen to it. CD players are the more convieniant item even if they are slightly more cumbersome.
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Empathy
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Posted: June 13 2006 at 16:34 |
It IS prestigious. In fact, it's the most prestigious title anywhere in this thread!
Now, if you could only convince Steven Wilson that MP3 players aren't evil...
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Rust
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Posted: June 13 2006 at 16:29 |
 Thanks. That sounds like a very prestegous title.
The idea appeared to me while listening to some prog last night, and I thought, " Wow, that would make a good argument!"
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We got to pump the stuff to make us tough
from the heart
Its astart
What we need is awareness we cant get careless
Mental self defensive fitness
Make everybody see in order to fight the powers that be
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Empathy
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Posted: June 13 2006 at 16:22 |
^ Hear, Hear!
Rust for Global Prog Secretary of Audio Technology Advancement! 
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Rust
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Posted: June 13 2006 at 16:12 |
As "proggers" I think it is our duty to progress into the new technology available today, such as mp3 players.
If we continue to use cd-players but ignore their obvious problems and annoyances without seeking a solution, it would be as if the music artists continued to use old technology that could be easily fixed, but they still choose not to because eveyrone else does it. It would be as if the artist in the mid seventies ignored the synths because they were new, and I think the ones that did use the new technology and synths made the right choice, i.e. Yes.
Prog is not just our music preference, it is our lifestyle, we all know it.
Edited by Rust - June 13 2006 at 16:13
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We got to pump the stuff to make us tough
from the heart
Its astart
What we need is awareness we cant get careless
Mental self defensive fitness
Make everybody see in order to fight the powers that be
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Arsillus
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Posted: June 13 2006 at 13:36 |
Rust wrote:
The power of prog must have crashed your i-pod. I'm sure Apple had pop music in mind when making them.
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Empathy
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Posted: June 13 2006 at 13:16 |
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and with the right music - some Porcupine Tree, Electronic Music, Ozric Tentacles, Pink Floyd etc. |
That is, in fact, the "right" music. 
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bhikkhu
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Posted: June 13 2006 at 13:10 |
Sean Trane wrote:
MikeEnRegalia wrote:
^ I love to go cycling, listening to music all the time. I usually cycle alongside a river next to my place, 60 minutes tops. It's a meditative thing - I even wear a pulse monitor, maintaining 140 heartbeats per minute. It's a meditative experience, and with the right music - some Porcupine Tree, Electronic Music, Ozric Tentacles, Pink Floyd etc. it's really great! |
How about traffic and other dangers >> you isolate yourself with headphones, you fy in some transcendental state while being particularly vulnerable target unaware of dangers around him...
I person ally think that headphones should be outlawed while on the move on the road. |
So should we outlaw car stereos as well then? Most people have those turned up so high that I can hear it inside my home. I have my music on wherever I may be riding. I never have it so loud that I cant hear what is happening around me. So, I've never had a problem, and I have put a lot of miles on my bike.
Cell phones are a different story. I can't tell you how many times people have veered toward me because they were on the phone. And I have seen truly ridiculous people chatting it up while bicylcing.
Edited by bhikkhu - June 13 2006 at 13:14
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MikeEnRegalia
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Posted: June 13 2006 at 10:14 |
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^ it's not a road. it's a straight pathway alongside the river, with no crossing roads and no dangers really, no motor vehicles allowed and both sides of the pathway are quite open, you can easily spot any problem (like playing children or dogs) and slow down. Actually quite many people use this "circuit" just like I do ...
Of course I agree that one should not wear headphones in normal traffic situations.
Edited by MikeEnRegalia - June 13 2006 at 10:16
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Sean Trane
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Posted: June 13 2006 at 09:46 |
MikeEnRegalia wrote:
^ I love to go cycling, listening to music all the time. I usually cycle alongside a river next to my place, 60 minutes tops. It's a meditative thing - I even wear a pulse monitor, maintaining 140 heartbeats per minute. It's a meditative experience, and with the right music - some Porcupine Tree, Electronic Music, Ozric Tentacles, Pink Floyd etc. it's really great! |
How about traffic and other dangers >> you isolate yourself with headphones, you fy in some transcendental state while being particularly vulnerable target unaware of dangers around him...
I person ally think that headphones should be outlawed while on the move on the road.
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prefer the sink to the gutter
keep our sand-castle virtues
content to be a doer
as well as a thinker,
prefer lifting our pen
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