Reasons to NOT get an iPod
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Topic: Reasons to NOT get an iPod
Posted By: GoldenSpiral
Subject: Reasons to NOT get an iPod
Date Posted: June 11 2006 at 14:49
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So, this has been my iPod experience: I got it for Christmas 2 years ago, and I have loved it and I use it a good bit. However, last October its harddrive died and it had to be replaced. Luckily, it was still under warranty so the replacement was free and I didnt lose any music. So I thought nothing of this. about 3 months later the same problem occurred, but luckily it was still under warranty, so I recieved another free replacement and thought nothing of the situation. TODAY: I am driving along rocking out to Deadwing when the song stops, and the damn thing freezes up. So i restart it and all that pops up is this icon:  awww how cute a little ipod with a sad face. this, of course means trouble. this is really ridiculous. I take damn good care of the thing, I keep it indoors, I keep it charged, it has a leather case to keep it protected, but still it fails. I use it just about everyday, but it should really be able to survive being used. I call the support number, after having exhausted all the options on the support website, only to have them inform me that the warranty is only good on the FIRST ipod, so this 3rd ipod is no longer covered and repairs will cost $319!!!! So I say  iPod.Sadly, at this point in my life I don't think i could function properly without a good mp3 player with large capacity. Any suggestions? ------------- http://www.myspace.com/altaic" rel="nofollow - http://www.myspace.com/altaic ALTAIC "Oceans Down You'll Lie" coming soon |
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Posted By: Mikerinos
Date Posted: June 11 2006 at 14:52
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That sucks. I have many friends who have had similar problems with iPods. I bought a Creative Zen Micro from my friend for $60 (since he got an iPod and didn't need it) and it ended up breaking after 4-5 months.  I say screw portible music altogether, but that's just me.  ------------- 
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Posted By: KoS
Date Posted: June 11 2006 at 14:54
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the new Toshiba gigabeat looks good works with Windows media player http://reviews.cnet.com/Toshiba_Gigabeat_S_MES30VW_30GB_white/4505-6499_7-31660763.html?tag=cnetfd.ec - http://reviews.cnet.com/Toshiba_Gigabeat_S_MES30VW_30GB_white/4505-6499_7-31660763.html?tag=cnetfd.ec about $280  |
Posted By: Cygnus X-2
Date Posted: June 11 2006 at 14:54
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You could always go with a Creative player. They might be bigger than the Ipod and heavier, but they are cheaper than an ipod and are relatively simple to use. On the downside, they are nowhere as sleek as the ipod and itunes is an easier program to use than the Creative software (but the Creative software is relatively easy to use). I got a 60 gb player for the same price as a (then-priced) 20 GB Ipod. ------------- 
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Posted By: AtLossForWords
Date Posted: June 11 2006 at 15:00
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I will never own an IPod in my entire life. You have to title every track (to my knowledge) while uploading. You have to store music files on your computer for safe keeping. You have to charage batteries.
It's just too much of a hassle, give me the barbaric CD player any day. -------------  
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Posted By: The Miracle
Date Posted: June 11 2006 at 15:05
 
Oliver would be proud  ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/ocellatedgod" rel="nofollow - last.fm |
Posted By: KoS
Date Posted: June 11 2006 at 15:06
too much to carry  |
The Miracle wrote:Posted By: GoldenSpiral
Date Posted: June 11 2006 at 15:07
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I'm seriously considering going back to the CD player, but the problem is I've been spoiled by a) the small size of the mp3 player b) the convenience of having literally 40GB of music with me at all times accessible at the touch of a button. I'm so ruined by my year and a half of ipod use I'm not sure I could go back to carrying around CDs and actually having to hold the CD player in my hand!  ------------- http://www.myspace.com/altaic" rel="nofollow - http://www.myspace.com/altaic ALTAIC "Oceans Down You'll Lie" coming soon |
Posted By: Ed_The_Dead
Date Posted: June 11 2006 at 15:11
 ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/ed_the_dead/?chartstyle=asimpleblue5"> 
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Posted By: thellama73
Date Posted: June 11 2006 at 15:12
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I'm sorry to hear about that. I have heard similar complaints, but I
have never had a problem with my iPod. I have had it for years and I
have dropped it on occassion, but it still works great. I guess I am
magic.
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Posted By: The Miracle
Date Posted: June 11 2006 at 15:14
 At a grand total of $40, leaving an extra 200 for CD's and booze ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/ocellatedgod" rel="nofollow - last.fm |
Posted By: KoS
Date Posted: June 11 2006 at 15:26
| its still too big |
Posted By: AtLossForWords
Date Posted: June 11 2006 at 15:31
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did you immeadiately load them onto your IPod? -------------
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Posted By: thellama73
Date Posted: June 11 2006 at 15:43
That's what she said. -------------
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Posted By: The Wizard
Date Posted: June 11 2006 at 15:44
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I have a Creative mp3 player, it's really great. I holds photos and 8gbs of music. I don't think I would ever get an Ipod, it's a huge pain in the ass to delete stuff according to my friends that have them. -------------  
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Posted By: KoS
Date Posted: June 11 2006 at 15:45
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Posted By: Viajero Astral
Date Posted: June 11 2006 at 16:53
YEAH A MP3 CD player with a CD-RW were you can burn a lot of mp3 files is a good combination ------------- 
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Posted By: stonebeard
Date Posted: June 11 2006 at 16:55
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I like having tangible circular disc-esque thingies.
Also, having more cds than anyone in my school raises my ego quite nicely.  ------------- http://soundcloud.com/drewagler" rel="nofollow - My soundcloud. Please give feedback if you want! |
Posted By: Arsillus
Date Posted: June 11 2006 at 17:16
I'm sorry to hear about your iPod dude.  They may look pretty but I don't like them. I don't think they make these anymore, but I have a Creative Nomad Jukebox Zen Xtra 40GB (whoo). I've had it about 16 months and aside from the occasional hiccup in which I think the hardrive reconfigures, it's fine. It's a bit chunky and not pretty to look at, but at the time, it held twice as much stuff for almost half the price of an iPod. Plus, it has a much sturdier design and it's slipcase is much more effective than the flimsy iPod leather pouch.
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Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: June 11 2006 at 17:25
Get a Creative player - they're compatible with Janus based services (Napster, Yahoo, Urge). I have a 6GB Creative Zen Micro and it works flawlessly! ------------- https://awesomeprog.com/users/Mike" rel="nofollow">Recently listened to: 
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Posted By: GoldenSpiral
Date Posted: June 11 2006 at 17:29
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Yeah, IF I buy another mp3 player it should be 60GB preferably, because the main reason I have one is to keep my entire collection portable. plus I just got a stereo head unit for my car that takes an auxiliary input. If I wasted all that cash I'll be pissed. otherwise, I'll just burn mp3 CDs. ------------- http://www.myspace.com/altaic" rel="nofollow - http://www.myspace.com/altaic ALTAIC "Oceans Down You'll Lie" coming soon |
Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: June 11 2006 at 17:33
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^ My whole collection is more than 80GB ... all legal! I don't even try to get a player that can store all of it ... with USB2 it only takes a few moments to transfer an album.
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Posted By: chopper
Date Posted: June 11 2006 at 17:41
| I took the decision not to get an MP3 player with a huge capacity for this very reason. I paid £80 for a Samsung one with 2Gb. It takes around 30 albums which is enough for a couple of weeks listening to and from work. Every few days I load up the albums I fancy listening to and delete the ones I have listened to. So long as it lasts a couple of years I'll be happy with it. |
Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: June 11 2006 at 17:44
^ exactly. And with the saved money you'll be able to buy a brand new player in three years with 10x the capacity at the same price.
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Posted By: eddietrooper
Date Posted: June 11 2006 at 17:46
| I have a Creative Zen Micro (5 GB) and it works properly since I bought it a year ago. The software is very good and useful. |
Posted By: chopper
Date Posted: June 11 2006 at 17:49
That's true - I had one before I got my MP3 player, but people give you funny looks on the train to work when you get a CD player out. It's now the equivalent of a wind-up gramophone with a horn. |
Posted By: stonebeard
Date Posted: June 11 2006 at 17:52
And they don't give you the same look when they find out you're listening to prog?  ------------- http://soundcloud.com/drewagler" rel="nofollow - My soundcloud. Please give feedback if you want! |
Posted By: Cygnus X-2
Date Posted: June 11 2006 at 17:53
You mean this 'ole thing?  Tell me, did they ever go out of style? -------------
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Posted By: Bj-1
Date Posted: June 11 2006 at 18:01
------------- RIO/AVANT/ZEUHL - The best thing you can get with yer pants on! |
Posted By: Bj-1
Date Posted: June 11 2006 at 18:03
I actually have one that is similar to that one  Costed me 500$------------- RIO/AVANT/ZEUHL - The best thing you can get with yer pants on! |
Posted By: zappaholic
Date Posted: June 11 2006 at 18:59
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Count me in among the anti-ipod luddites.
------------- "Democracy is the theory that the common people know what they want, and deserve to get it good and hard." -- H.L. Mencken |
Posted By: Zoso
Date Posted: June 11 2006 at 19:03
Wow, that is excellent. I think I shall buy that. -------------  |
Posted By: Tuzvihar
Date Posted: June 11 2006 at 19:22
I've got this one:
I've never wanted an mp3 player or iPod. I'm attached to the audio format.  ------------- "Music is much like f**king, but some composers can't climax and others climax too often, leaving themselves and the listener jaded and spent." Charles Bukowski |
Posted By: billbuckner
Date Posted: June 11 2006 at 20:00
| I have a CD portfolio that contains my collection with the liner notes. I love having the liner notes on display with my music. I even have a section for my Simon and Garfunkel MiniLPs, which are slightly too big to put in the case, and have torn the plastic pockets slightly. |
Posted By: Arsillus
Date Posted: June 11 2006 at 20:33
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http://www.anti-ipod.co.uk/ - http://www.anti-ipod.co.uk/
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Posted By: Empathy
Date Posted: June 11 2006 at 22:21
This is the exact same approach I took. I went with the 4 GB iPod Nano. I generally only load it up with enough music for one charge (about 14 hours), unless I'll be on an extended vacation. I'm usually not away from my computer long enough to justify needing to carry my entire library with me at all times. Goldenspiral, sorry to hear about your woes. FWIW, most of the iPod horror stories I've heard have been due to hard drive failure. I've always been somewhat wary of anything with delicate moving parts that small that's supposed to be portable. I've had my Nano (which uses flash memory in lieu of a hard drive) for about 7 months now, and haven't had any problems yet *knocking on 4 different types of wood*... ------------- Pure Brilliance: 
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Posted By: Padraic
Date Posted: June 11 2006 at 22:32
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http://www.iriveramerica.com/prod/ - http://www.iriveramerica.com/prod/ I got their 1 GB player, small as hell, plays MP3, WMA, OGG and has FM radio. Seems to me you get more robustness out of these little flash players, avoid HDs. Like chopper I can load enough music for the workweek, and then reload with new tunes. Although I mostly listen to CDs in the car and ripped OGGs on my work Linux box. |
Posted By: Arsillus
Date Posted: June 11 2006 at 22:43
| Solid state pwns. |
Posted By: Rust
Date Posted: June 12 2006 at 02:00
The power of prog must have crashed your i-pod. I'm sure Apple had pop music in mind when making them.
 ------------- We got to pump the stuff to make us tough from the heart Its astart What we need is awareness we cant get careless Mental self defensive fitness Make everybody see in order to fight the powers that be |
Posted By: Abstrakt
Date Posted: June 12 2006 at 02:05
| I have a 256mb mp3 player, but i prefer cd |
Posted By: GoldenSpiral
Date Posted: June 12 2006 at 08:57
This is entirely possible. perhaps the thick instrumentation and long tracks taxed its poor little brain to the breaking point.... or maybe it was just a piece of sh*t. I'm considering going the flash memory route as soon as i have some cash, but I don't want the ipod version, but I'd like a good bit of room on it. Guess I'll have to shop around. ------------- http://www.myspace.com/altaic" rel="nofollow - http://www.myspace.com/altaic ALTAIC "Oceans Down You'll Lie" coming soon |
Posted By: Zargus
Date Posted: June 12 2006 at 18:34
Comon people CD players are so prog, Itunes & Ipods and god knows are for normal mainstream rap lisening people. Real prog rockers have cd players.  ------------- 
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Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: June 13 2006 at 03:02
I thought that the REAL prog rockers have portable vinyl players! ------------- https://awesomeprog.com/users/Mike" rel="nofollow">Recently listened to:
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Posted By: Australian
Date Posted: June 13 2006 at 03:10
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I have a iriver H320 and its been problem free for over 1 year. I like they way its easy to use and there is no need to mess around with itunes.
I am glad to say that there are no rap, techno or pop songs on it, minus Vangelis.
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Posted By: bhikkhu
Date Posted: June 13 2006 at 03:22
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I was hesitant to go the iPod route, and thought my mp3/cd player was just fine. I broke down and got the 20 gig model last year, and I love it. I've had no problems. The battery isn't holding the charge as long, but I got a battery pack (that acts like a charger) from battery geek. I don't drive, so I walk, bicycle, bus, etc. In other words, I use it all the time. It's so nice to have so much music, without all the bulk. No changing discs either.
Why shouldn't we prog people use them? The pop fans like the little ones, because they listen to the same lame songs over and over again. The key there also being songs, not albums. So I say, put pressure on Steve Jobs to make these things reliable, and have big enough drives for our epic musical masterpieces. ------------- a.k.a. H.T. http://riekels.wordpress.com" rel="nofollow - http://riekels.wordpress.com |
Posted By: DrGoon
Date Posted: June 13 2006 at 03:30
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Steven Wilson has spoken out against iPod culture, listener playlists and shuffle features on numerous occasions. Playing Deadwing on your iPod was asking for trouble. Send Steve a wedge of cash for a nice slab of limited edition vinyl and pray for forgiveness. |
Posted By: chopper
Date Posted: June 13 2006 at 07:38
Ah, well they don't find out! Mind you, nobody would have heard of half the bands I listen to. I did once meet a fellow Yes fan who recognised my copy of "The Ladder", so there are some prog fans in Essex.
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Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: June 13 2006 at 07:50
add these points:
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Posted By: Sean Trane
Date Posted: June 13 2006 at 08:16
More cumbersome I agree, but I feel no need to be around the bloody portable music player anytime, anyplace, anyhow etc.... What I think it must come down to is the use you have from these portable music players. Let's face it, I love music and cannot imagine wanting to listen to it in many cases where I could not pay attention to it. ------------- let's just stay above the moral melee prefer the sink to the gutter keep our sand-castle virtues content to be a doer as well as a thinker, prefer lifting our pen rather than un-sheath our sword |
Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: June 13 2006 at 08:23
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^ I love to go cycling, listening to music all the time. I usually cycle alongside a river next to my place, 60 minutes tops. It's a meditative thing - I even wear a pulse monitor, maintaining 140 heartbeats per minute. It's a meditative experience, and with the right music - some Porcupine Tree, Electronic Music, Ozric Tentacles, Pink Floyd etc. it's really great!
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Posted By: GoldenSpiral
Date Posted: June 13 2006 at 08:33
my bad. I wasn't aware of this. I'm actually starting to get suspicious of the fact that my particular ipod was one of the ones manufactured by Hewlett Packard to help Apple meet the high demand, so my warranty and tech support was all done through HP, not apple. My roommate has one of the Apple manufactured ones and hasnt had a bit of trouble with it. still, I'm wary now of the whole ipod thing, but I do need some small portable solution to my music addiction. ------------- http://www.myspace.com/altaic" rel="nofollow - http://www.myspace.com/altaic ALTAIC "Oceans Down You'll Lie" coming soon |
Posted By: Sean Trane
Date Posted: June 13 2006 at 09:46
How about traffic and other dangers >> you isolate yourself with headphones, you fy in some transcendental state while being particularly vulnerable target unaware of dangers around him...
I person ally think that headphones should be outlawed while on the move on the road. ------------- let's just stay above the moral melee prefer the sink to the gutter keep our sand-castle virtues content to be a doer as well as a thinker, prefer lifting our pen rather than un-sheath our sword |
Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: June 13 2006 at 10:14
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^ it's not a road. it's a straight pathway alongside the river, with no crossing roads and no dangers really, no motor vehicles allowed and both sides of the pathway are quite open, you can easily spot any problem (like playing children or dogs) and slow down. Actually quite many people use this "circuit" just like I do ... Of course I agree that one should not wear headphones in normal traffic situations. ------------- https://awesomeprog.com/users/Mike" rel="nofollow">Recently listened to:
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Posted By: bhikkhu
Date Posted: June 13 2006 at 13:10
So should we outlaw car stereos as well then? Most people have those turned up so high that I can hear it inside my home. I have my music on wherever I may be riding. I never have it so loud that I cant hear what is happening around me. So, I've never had a problem, and I have put a lot of miles on my bike. Cell phones are a different story. I can't tell you how many times people have veered toward me because they were on the phone. And I have seen truly ridiculous people chatting it up while bicylcing. ------------- a.k.a. H.T. http://riekels.wordpress.com" rel="nofollow - http://riekels.wordpress.com |
Posted By: Empathy
Date Posted: June 13 2006 at 13:16
That is, in fact, the "right" music. ------------- Pure Brilliance:
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Posted By: Arsillus
Date Posted: June 13 2006 at 13:36
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Posted By: Rust
Date Posted: June 13 2006 at 16:12
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As "proggers" I think it is our duty to progress into the new technology available today, such as mp3 players.
If we continue to use cd-players but ignore their obvious problems and annoyances without seeking a solution, it would be as if the music artists continued to use old technology that could be easily fixed, but they still choose not to because eveyrone else does it. It would be as if the artist in the mid seventies ignored the synths because they were new, and I think the ones that did use the new technology and synths made the right choice, i.e. Yes.
Prog is not just our music preference, it is our lifestyle, we all know it.
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Posted By: Empathy
Date Posted: June 13 2006 at 16:22
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^ Hear, Hear! Rust for Global Prog Secretary of Audio Technology Advancement! ------------- Pure Brilliance:
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Posted By: Rust
Date Posted: June 13 2006 at 16:29
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Thanks. That sounds like a very prestegous title.
The idea appeared to me while listening to some prog last night, and I thought, " Wow, that would make a good argument!"
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Posted By: Empathy
Date Posted: June 13 2006 at 16:34
It IS prestigious. In fact, it's the most prestigious title anywhere in this thread!  Now, if you could only convince Steven Wilson that MP3 players aren't evil... ------------- Pure Brilliance:
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Posted By: AtLossForWords
Date Posted: June 13 2006 at 16:43
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The CD player will always be the standard for music playing devices. Even though I need to carry extra batteries, I don't have to carry a charger around. I don't need to worry about breaking a heat/motion sensor or computer screen. I don't need to worry about a loss of data. I don't have to put a bunch of music on a PC before I can listen to it. CD players are the more convieniant item even if they are slightly more cumbersome. -------------
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Posted By: Rust
Date Posted: June 13 2006 at 16:44
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If I did that, he would have to convince me his new stuff is prog. ------------- We got to pump the stuff to make us tough from the heart Its astart What we need is awareness we cant get careless Mental self defensive fitness Make everybody see in order to fight the powers that be |
Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: June 13 2006 at 16:48
Not really - soon the mobile players will all be able to play lossless formats, and the computers will have enough storage to hold hundreds of albums in these formats. They sound 100% identical to CD ... ------------- https://awesomeprog.com/users/Mike" rel="nofollow">Recently listened to:
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Posted By: GoldenSpiral
Date Posted: June 13 2006 at 16:53
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^Maybe I should just save my dough for when that day comes.... another problem is that my AA battery budget wouldnt be able to support the rate at which I listen to music. ------------- http://www.myspace.com/altaic" rel="nofollow - http://www.myspace.com/altaic ALTAIC "Oceans Down You'll Lie" coming soon |
Posted By: chopper
Date Posted: June 13 2006 at 16:55
| ^ Get rechargeable batteries. I bought 4 so I could a carry set around with me. They don't last as long but you still save a fortune in batteries. |
Posted By: GoldenSpiral
Date Posted: June 13 2006 at 16:58
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point taken, but in that case, let's discuss my blank CD-R budget... that's not as big a problem i guess. ------------- http://www.myspace.com/altaic" rel="nofollow - http://www.myspace.com/altaic ALTAIC "Oceans Down You'll Lie" coming soon |
Posted By: Firepuck
Date Posted: June 13 2006 at 16:59
I DISAGREE with everything here.
I still play vinyl lp's and there are a lot of members here who would argue that they are acoustically superior to any digital format.
An artist who doesn't embrace technoclogy (ie synths) is not making a wrong choice - he/she is simply making a choice. There are many progressive artists who make music using old 70's technology (like a guitar!).
Prog is my music preference, it is not my lifestyle. ------------- Kryten : "'Pub'? Ah yes, A meeting place where humans attempt to achieve advanced states of mental incompetence by the repeated consumption of fermented vegetable drinks." |
Posted By: Empathy
Date Posted: June 13 2006 at 17:07
I'm sure that if you looked hard enough, you could find someone who swears that the wax cylinder was the pinnacle of music reproduction. Just teasin'. Kinda. ------------- Pure Brilliance:
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Posted By: Rust
Date Posted: June 13 2006 at 17:14
The guitar really hasn't progressed much since the 70's, so it has nothing to do with my example like keybords. I didn't say that the artists who don't progress thier technology were making the "wrong" choice, I said they arn't taking advantage of great new devices, like Yes did with the synth, (thank God). If they Wakeman never started using the synth I wouldn't say he is wrong, I just would not be as interested in the band as I am now.
I myself have never heard a vinyl, and you are right that progressing is not always the best choice for everyone. I was trying to say that if you don't accept new technology, that could very well be better than the old, because everyone else uses it, then you would really be missing out on a potentially great thing.
Sorry if your lifestyle isn't prog, I know mine certainly is. I stay far from most mainstream trends, and do things because I like to do them. I am sure most prog artists make their music with that mindset as well. Prog has very much helped my life, not just my music collection.
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Posted By: maani
Date Posted: June 13 2006 at 17:27
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To Firepuck's comments I would add that one of the trends these days in recording is to "simulate" the sound of old tube amps and analog recording equipment - and, in many cases, to actually use those technologies to do the actual recording. This is for the very reason that tube amps and analog recording technology provide a "warmer," "rawer" sound than digital, which many recording artists find "cold" and "clinical." And although even this will not replace digital technology - whether CD, mp3, iPOD or bubble chips (to be invented...LOL) - it says something when even top-flight recording artists "revert" to tube amps and analog recording (or simulations of them).
By the way, more and more artists are using acoustic pianos for recording, and shying away from digital pianos and synthesizer patches to create the sound of a piano.
Peace.
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Posted By: bhikkhu
Date Posted: June 13 2006 at 21:47
It sounds like you weren't around for the transitions of the past. Reel to reel, casette, 8-track, DAT, 10" 78 rpm, 45 rpm, 33 1/3 rpm, and then CD's. And casettes hung on because home CD recording is relatively new. You can't say that one medium will always be the standard. There are too many "Professor John Frinks" (glavin) out there, always trying to invent the next best thing. ------------- a.k.a. H.T. http://riekels.wordpress.com" rel="nofollow - http://riekels.wordpress.com |