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chamberry 
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 Topic: ITCotCK - concept or noncept?Posted: May 24 2006 at 20:49 |
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Yeah its kinda long... really long  but still interesting |
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FragileDT
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Posted: May 24 2006 at 19:10 |
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I don't think that "In the court of the Crimson King" is the first "true symph prog album" just because it's longest (save Moonchild) and most renowned song is jazz/fusion with an avant-garde approach (to me at least.) |
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One likes to believe
In the freedom of music But glittering prizes And endless Compromises Shatter the illusion Of integrity |
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Syntharachnid
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Posted: May 24 2006 at 18:49 |
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Okay, I'm reading that whole site one day.
But not today.
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Bj-1
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Posted: May 24 2006 at 18:14 |
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RIO/AVANT/ZEUHL - The best thing you can get with yer pants on!
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chamberry
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Posted: May 24 2006 at 17:53 |
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http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=23771 to proove you. |
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mystic fred
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Posted: May 24 2006 at 16:24 |
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el böthy
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Posted: May 24 2006 at 15:22 |
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Its a semi concept!!! There is a "general" idea though out the album...but it´s not a story, its not The Wall...its more like The Dark side of the moon...I think
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"You want me to play what, Robert?"
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Vompatti
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Posted: May 24 2006 at 15:12 |
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I'm sure there is a concept, but I have no idea what it is.
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Man With Hat
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Posted: May 24 2006 at 15:07 |
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I don't think so, and i agree that i've never heard it called one either.
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I'm running still, I shall until, one day, I hope that I'll arrive Warning: Listening to jazz excessively can cause a laxative effect. |
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earlyprog
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Posted: May 24 2006 at 15:05 |
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I think Mr. Fripp had a very clear concept of what the music should be about, which is why I continue to stress that ITCOTCK is the initiation of the true symphonic prog album.
But I don't think that's what you mean by it being a concept album, so no it's not a concept album
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YYZed
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Posted: May 24 2006 at 14:58 |
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Until someone can prove to me it's not just a collection of songs, then it will remain, in my eyes, a "non-concept" album.
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crimson thing
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Posted: May 24 2006 at 14:39 |
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I'm not saying this just cos it disagrees with the thought behind my thread (honest!
 ), but I do think there's more than a whiff of the Emperor's new clothes about the Sinfield ueber album concept.......One wonders why such explanations weren't adduced when the albums were first released.......maybe it's a very deadpan joke?
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chamberry
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Posted: May 24 2006 at 14:02 |
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I'll start a thread and include this link if you don't mind mystic fred for poeple to see  |
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GoldenSpiral
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Posted: May 24 2006 at 14:00 |
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If being awesome can be considered a concept, then this album is one!
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chamberry
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Posted: May 24 2006 at 13:58 |
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The concept is 4 albums long (more like a loose concept but still) , the Sinfield era. It talks about Frederik II who is the Crimson King, at least the first one. Lizard talks about Price Rupert who supossedly is Frederik's reincarnation or something. The first album ITCOTCK represents the sun The second ITWOP represents the water The third Lizard the earth And Island i don't quite now yet since I havent read it yet. Very interesting. You would think that Sinfiel writes gibberish like in Cat Food or 21st chizoid man but they actually tell something. Edited by chamberry - May 24 2006 at 14:22 |
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crimson thing
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Posted: May 24 2006 at 13:33 |
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Igor - fetch the thumbscrews !!!
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Abstrakt
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Posted: May 24 2006 at 13:07 |
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Yes, but don't ask me what it's about
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Ghandi 2
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Posted: May 24 2006 at 13:02 |
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Woah. I read part of that, and they are very clearly finding something which is not there. No, "The wall on which the prophets wrote/ Is cracking at the seams" is NOT a reference to Frederick II's breakdown and obscure writings, it's a reference (or perhaps ripoff) of "The Sound of Silence" by Simon and Garfunkel. I quote "the words of the prophets/Are written on the subway walls" Tell me: do you think it is more likely that Sinfeld was referencing this or a nearly unknown king? People haven't heard of Frederick II, even pretentious prog artists aren't going to make references to his life!
"Will no one lay the laurel wreath/As silence drowns the screams" That site says that it has to do with Frederick's horrific experiment with the babies. (man, Frederick was an idiot) But once again, looking more simply, isn't it more likely that he's simply taking about the aftermath of a nuclear war, since that is what the song is actually about!
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Raff
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Posted: May 24 2006 at 13:00 |
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Concept? What concept?
As far as I know, KC have never released any concept albums. ITCOTCK is a masterpiece, but the five songs on it are quite unrelated to each other - unless one wants to find a connection at all costs...
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Igha
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Posted: May 24 2006 at 12:48 |
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No way
There isn't any connection between songs. Other album I wonder why everybody calls Conceptual is Sgt Pepper. Only the first two songs are tied together, then the idea of the fictional band just...dissapears...The same goes to SEBTP, not all the songs form a concept. |
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