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    Posted: April 21 2006 at 09:45
Originally posted by GoldenSpiral GoldenSpiral wrote:

Originally posted by Age Of Nemesis Age Of Nemesis wrote:

  Now you Fanboys have probably rated this CD before you even heard a note  Wink 


You've obviously condemned it without hearing a note. 

So it begins...Dead

I'm predicting about a month or so of ignorant posts like this.  I have asked people repeatedly to please listen carefully before reviewing or saying anything about the album, instead of condemning it out of hand or praising it on principle.

STOP THIS MADNESS!!!Angry


And I guarantee the majority of these flaming posts will come from n00bs with less than 20 posts...

otherwise known as trolls.
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Points: 3839 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 21 2006 at 09:19
Originally posted by Age Of Nemesis Age Of Nemesis wrote:

  Now you Fanboys have probably rated this CD before you even heard a note  Wink 


You've obviously condemned it without hearing a note. 

So it begins...Dead

I'm predicting about a month or so of ignorant posts like this.  I have asked people repeatedly to please listen carefully before reviewing or saying anything about the album, instead of condemning it out of hand or praising it on principle.

STOP THIS MADNESS!!!Angry
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Originally posted by Age Of Nemesis Age Of Nemesis wrote:

It strikes me as weird and opportunistic that Tool would Title their latest CD 10,000 days (that's how long Vietnam lasted) Its weird because Tool wouldn`t have been old enough to have been their amongst the bloodshed , they wouldn`t have seen their best friends heads blown off or arms ripped out and guts spilling everywhere  .. ohhhh  No !!!! but they will gladly parasite from such a tragic event $$$$ . Now you Fanboys have probably rated this CD before you even heard a note  Wink   but don`t think for one minute its going to stay high in rating because "We" will bring it down to where drivel like this belongs Smile
Outraged &  Disgusted ...   Respect the Vietnam vets don`t parasite and live off their pain , unless you have been there   Angry
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You are quite enitled to your opinion, but there certain aspects of you initial post which I would comment on:
  • You refer to "you Fanboys" which is clearly intended as a derogatory term aimed at other members of the site. This is a breach of the rules. All the members of the site are entitled to their opinions without being vilified for them.
  • You say "we" will "bring the rating of the album down", yet it appears you have not yet heard it. Any attempt to manipulate the ratings will lead to suspension and possible expulsion.
  • You appear to have jumped to the conclusion that a) the title refers to the Vietnam war, and b) that Tool are in some way exploiting the war. There have been may protest songs over the years, what evidence do you have to justify this attack on Tool?

Where you are correct is in the implication that albums should not be reviewed based on leaks (which may or may not be genuine) or on simply being a fan of the band.

The reaction to your post to date has been measured and decent. The admin team will however be watching this thread for any unnacceptable behaviour (on either side).
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Points: 27802 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 21 2006 at 08:54
Originally posted by Age Of Nemesis Age Of Nemesis wrote:

they shouldn`t have done it Ermm


Done what?

One of the problems with the Vietnam War was people tried to bury their head in the sand and pretend like it didn't happen.

How do you know that if the new album is about Nam that it is anti-war?

And if it is anti-war,it will probably be about how pointless the war was and how the politicians really screwed it up and lost it.

I don't think it will be degrading to Vietnam Vets,most of whom(at least the vets I know,and there are many) are extremely bitter and resentful at the way the government handled the war.


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Points: 21633 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 21 2006 at 08:53
Originally posted by Syzygy Syzygy wrote:

Originally posted by Age Of Nemesis Age Of Nemesis wrote:

they shouldn`t have done it Ermm
 
Well that's a well argued rebuttal which draws on verifiable facts to back up its assertions, and which certainly puts the rest of us in our place.


Wow, that sentence rivals Zeuhl!LOLWink
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Originally posted by Age Of Nemesis Age Of Nemesis wrote:

they shouldn`t have done it Ermm
 
Well that's a well argued rebuttal which draws on verifiable facts to back up its assertions, and which certainly puts the rest of us in our place.
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Points: 21633 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 21 2006 at 08:50
Originally posted by Age Of Nemesis Age Of Nemesis wrote:

they shouldn`t have done it Ermm


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Points: 27802 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 21 2006 at 08:47
Originally posted by MikeEnRegalia MikeEnRegalia wrote:

Originally posted by TheProgtologist TheProgtologist wrote:

Originally posted by MikeEnRegalia MikeEnRegalia wrote:

Originally posted by TheProgtologist TheProgtologist wrote:



But the Vietnam War is referred to sometimes as the 10,000 Day War.


Yes, but the album is neither about the war nor is it making fun of it ... and if it is indeed about the Bush administration (and not about Maynard's mother as some suggest) then it's quite ok to use it IMO. If it IS about his mother and here life is related to that interval (10,000 days) then it's also perfectly valid.

I'm really looking forward to listening to this!


I didn't say it was about it and don't really think it is.I just wanted to point out that the Vietnam War is also called the 10,000 Day War.

And to the topic creator,Maynard might not have been old enough to serve in Nam but he WAS in the Army.


Sure. I was only trying to say that it's ok for them to use that as a title for their album. IMO the only situation where it would annoy me is if a band was using that album title and would perform in a military look and play all fun/shallow commercial songs that have nothing to do with either war or other serious topics.


I agree with you there Mike.Thumbs Up


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Points: 21633 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 21 2006 at 08:45
Originally posted by TheProgtologist TheProgtologist wrote:

Originally posted by MikeEnRegalia MikeEnRegalia wrote:

Originally posted by TheProgtologist TheProgtologist wrote:



But the Vietnam War is referred to sometimes as the 10,000 Day War.


Yes, but the album is neither about the war nor is it making fun of it ... and if it is indeed about the Bush administration (and not about Maynard's mother as some suggest) then it's quite ok to use it IMO. If it IS about his mother and here life is related to that interval (10,000 days) then it's also perfectly valid.

I'm really looking forward to listening to this!


I didn't say it was about it and don't really think it is.I just wanted to point out that the Vietnam War is also called the 10,000 Day War.

And to the topic creator,Maynard might not have been old enough to serve in Nam but he WAS in the Army.


Sure. I was only trying to say that it's ok for them to use that as a title for their album. IMO the only situation where it would annoy me is if a band was using that album title and would perform in a military look and play all fun/shallow commercial songs that have nothing to do with either war or other serious topics.
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Points: 7003 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 21 2006 at 08:42
Originally posted by Age Of Nemesis Age Of Nemesis wrote:

It strikes me as weird and opportunistic that Tool would Title their latest CD 10,000 days (that's how long Vietnam lasted) Its weird because Tool wouldn`t have been old enough to have been their amongst the bloodshed , they wouldn`t have seen their best friends heads blown off or arms ripped out .. ohhhh  No !!!! but they will gladly parasite from such a tragic even . Now you Fanboys have probably rated this CD before you even heard a note  Wink   but don`t think for one minute its going to stay high in rating because "We" will bring it down to where drivel like this belongs Smile
Outraged &  Disgusted ...   Respect the Vietnam vets don`t parasite and live of their pain , unless you have been there  Angry
 
Just out of curiosity, how do you feel about Born In The USA by Bruce Springsteen? I'd recommend reading the lyrics carefully before you respond.
 
You might be surprised to learn the Viet Nam is a country as well as a war, and has been around a lot longer than 10,000 days.
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Points: 27802 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 21 2006 at 08:39
Originally posted by MikeEnRegalia MikeEnRegalia wrote:

Originally posted by TheProgtologist TheProgtologist wrote:



But the Vietnam War is referred to sometimes as the 10,000 Day War.


Yes, but the album is neither about the war nor is it making fun of it ... and if it is indeed about the Bush administration (and not about Maynard's mother as some suggest) then it's quite ok to use it IMO. If it IS about his mother and here life is related to that interval (10,000 days) then it's also perfectly valid.

I'm really looking forward to listening to this!


I didn't say it was about it and don't really think it is.I just wanted to point out that the Vietnam War is also called the 10,000 Day War.

And to the topic creator,Maynard might not have been old enough to serve in Nam but he WAS in the Army.


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yes, a really deep one!LOL and the emoticons in the quick reply box are now working.

Edited by MikeEnRegalia - April 21 2006 at 08:39
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Points: 27802 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 21 2006 at 08:37
Originally posted by Age Of Nemesis Age Of Nemesis wrote:

It strikes me as weird and opportunistic that Tool would Title their latest CD 10,000 days (that's how long Vietnam lasted) Its weird because Tool wouldn`t have been old enough to have been their amongst the bloodshed , they wouldn`t have seen their best friends heads blown off or arms ripped out .. ohhhh  No !!!! but they will gladly parasite from such a tragic even . Now you Fanboys have probably rated this CD before you even heard a note  Wink   but don`t think for one minute its going to stay high in rating because "We" will bring it down to where drivel like this belongs Smile
Outraged &  Disgusted ...   Respect the Vietnam vets don`t parasite and live of their pain , unless you have been there  Angry


You don't have to personally experience something to be moved by it or want to write about it.And if they did make a song or album about Nam,who are you to say they are exploiting Vietnam Vets(two of my older brothers are Vietnam veterans,both saw heavy combat during their tours).

Do you think Platooon was an exploitation movie?It really raised awareness about Vietnam and what the boys went through over there.

Another question.Have you ever served in your country's armed services?Are you a veteran?


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Points: 21633 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 21 2006 at 08:34
Originally posted by TheProgtologist TheProgtologist wrote:



But the Vietnam War is referred to sometimes as the 10,000 Day War.


Yes, but the album is neither about the war nor is it making fun of it ... and if it is indeed about the Bush administration (and not about Maynard's mother as some suggest) then it's quite ok to use it IMO. If it IS about his mother and here life is related to that interval (10,000 days) then it's also perfectly valid.

I'm really looking forward to listening to this!


Edited by MikeEnRegalia - April 21 2006 at 08:35
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Points: 20035 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 21 2006 at 08:34
Originally posted by TheProgtologist TheProgtologist wrote:

Originally posted by chopper chopper wrote:

Originally posted by MikeEnRegalia MikeEnRegalia wrote:

The album is not about the Vietnam war. Next time you make such bold accusations, you might want to make sure that you know what you're talking about.
LOL
And the Vietnam War lasted from 1957-1975 which is 18 years or around 6500 days (according to Wikipedia).


But the Vietnam War is referred to sometimes as the 10,000 Day War.
Thanks Jody, I wasn't aware of that. However it appears that Mike is right about the subject, I also found this in Wikipedia -
 
"Marie" is the middle name of Maynard James Keenan's deceased mother, Judith Marie Keenan.

As Keenan explains on commentary on aMOTION, his mother suffered a stroke that left her partially paralyzed and wheelchair-bound. The length of time between her paralysis and her death was 27 years, or approximately 10,000 days.
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Points: 203 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 21 2006 at 08:32

i heard the same thing about the theme bades around maynards mother
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Originally posted by chopper chopper wrote:

Originally posted by MikeEnRegalia MikeEnRegalia wrote:

The album is not about the Vietnam war. Next time you make such bold accusations, you might want to make sure that you know what you're talking about.
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And the Vietnam War lasted from 1957-1975 which is 18 years or around 6500 days (according to Wikipedia).


But the Vietnam War is referred to sometimes as the 10,000 Day War.


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