Phil Collins ... A Prog Legend

I have to admit, I've no penchant for any of Phil Collin's work, but I have to say he's a brilliant musician. Every song he writes seems to have this almost inconceivable depth and feeling of space, as though the music fabricates an environment.

Slartibartfast wrote: TheProgtologist wrote: I know...how about you guys stop this childish squabbling that has permeated the last few pages,and treat each other and their opinions with some respect,maturity and civility?Even if the differ from your own. Or I am going to close this thread. Or how about, SIT DOWN AND SHUT UP!!! ?

Nah, I say we re-start the interminable variations on the Phil vs Peter wars, the needlessly never ending Dream Theater battles, and of course, the moronic moral morass of being against the impracticality of not eating steak as cows cannot survive on their own in the wild.
Being Canadian, I could stir the hornet's nest with a discussion of the hypocrisy of the anti-seal hunt idiots; but that didn't work last time I tried as too many responded in an intelligent and moderate way (i.e. they knew about the existence of slaughterhouses, the increasing number of seals despite the hunt, the much needed income for those involved in the hunt, the celebrity PR machinery behind the distorted images that never showed or hinted at the very possibility of their being another valid side top the arguement etc....)
Oh, and the fact that Klaatu & Ange are really the two top prog groups of all time despite what all the other people have said. The very fact that they are not listed in the top 100 of any genre shows just how great they are, as only a limited number of intelligent people (and a few unintelligent ones, too) are able to "get" them. And as we all agree, or at least the ones who agree with me, if we think so, it is so.
So there !
Now back to my meds

Dominic wrote: Collins belongs behind the kit imo. Please don't kill me.

No problem, identified as an opinion with no overblown hatred for the person or his later work.
Which means you are out of place in an anti Phil fight

I think Phil Collins and the rest of the band should have changed the name "Genesis' when they chaged their approach to music. that would have been more appropiate, given what  Genesis menas to the prog community.

The primary source I use is the book Inside & Out, which states throughout the book, who wrote which songs, at least most of the songs, and while Hold on my Heart did start from a chord progression of Tony's, the melody and lyrics were Phils.  In Too Deep was almost solely Phil's song.  This book does not list who wrote every song, but many of the songs are mentioned with the primary composer and lyricist.  The rest I've looked up on various online resources, and yes, there are a few which even I don't know...(Dance on a Volcano being the most distressing, although I've always suspected that the lyricist was either Banks, Rutherford or Hackett ).

Anywho, I agree it wasn't all Collins' fault.  And I actually think that some of later Genesis was quite good...(Domino, Mama, Home by the Sea, Fading Lights, Driving the Last Spike - sporting a Collins' lyric by the way, Brazilian, Feeding the Fire, Dreaming While You Sleep, etc.)

Edited by The Doctor - May 14 2008 at 16:44

The three songs from Invisible Touch in which Banks was the primary songwriter were Anything She Does, Domino and The Brazilian, as well as the B-side Feeding the Fire.  The two Banks songs from We Can't Dance were Living Forever and Fading Lights, and he also was the primary writer of the b-side On the Shoreline.  Check it out.  And get back to me.

Edited by The Doctor - May 14 2008 at 16:14

I know...how about you guys stop this childish squabbling that has permeated the last few pages,and treat each other and their opinions with some respect,maturity and civility?Even if the differ from your own.

Chris Stacey wrote: Dr. Prog wrote: Chris Stacey wrote: There are some similarities on PC/ latter Genesis work but ' Behind The Lines' IMO was a deliberate attempt by PC to be different so that is not a good analogy.  Genesis songs like these are pretty close to being found on a PC solo album (And that is not a bad thing)   Hold on My Heart Collins Tell me why Collins Never a time Rutherford Since I lost you Collins In too deep Collins Throwing it all away Rutherford Taking it all too hard Rutherford Mama Collins No reply at all Collins       Interesting, in that about half of those songs were written by either Rutherford or Banks. Throwing it All Away and Taking it All Too Hard are both Rutherford songs. Hold on My Heart and Since I Lost You are Banks songs, and I am pretty sure In Too Deep is too. Mama is clearly the best song on the list, and that is Phil's. Yet another example of the kind of misperception and way over the top invectives and dislike of Phil Collins around here for all the wrong reasons(in other posts, not this one). Most people who blame him for "ruining Genesis in the 80s" really don't even know what songs he wrote.   Just for the record, who wrote those songs on the Genesis albums was not the point I was making. It was the similarity of sounds/crossovers over this period.

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Edited by Dr. Prog - May 14 2008 at 17:44

Chris Stacey wrote:   Just for the record, who wrote those songs on the Genesis albums was not the point I was making. It was the similarity of sounds/crossovers over this period.