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Blackleaf 
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Joined: February 22 2006 Location: Australia Status: Offline Points: 64 |
 Topic: No one likes prog!Posted: April 06 2006 at 01:32 |
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I feel your pain. I have a friend like that, but he's more into the Simple Plan, My Chemical Romance, etc. Excerpt from conversation about 10 mins ago (I sent him the Erotomania tab, we both play bass): Blackleaf says: just solo the bass and play that, so you won't have to put up with the rest BlackmagiC.niq says: prog really does sound like a bunch of notes randomly thrown together. Blackleaf says: fine Blackleaf says: still, it's an interesting bassline BlackmagiC.niq says: no, it isn't. There really is no convincing some people. Ah well. |
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The Wizard
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Joined: July 18 2005 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 7341 |
Posted: April 05 2006 at 20:59 |
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The Wizard
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Joined: July 18 2005 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 7341 |
Posted: April 05 2006 at 20:57 |
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My friend who love Linkin Park and Disturbed hates it, but he calls it 'your crappy music' instead of prog. Ticks me off, I should be the one insulting his music.
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Blackleaf
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Joined: February 22 2006 Location: Australia Status: Offline Points: 64 |
Posted: April 05 2006 at 20:28 |
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Even to my ears, which have to put up what that kind of vocabulary every day with my father, that was a pretty hardgoing read. But well said  It is funny when you've got you music in in a quiet room, and someone says "That sounds like suchnsuch (usually a negative)" and all you can do is shake your head. All they here is the topline sounds with the highest frequencies, hence, "You listen to too many guitar solos."BL~ |
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Aspiring hope
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Joined: April 03 2006 Location: Portugal Status: Offline Points: 198 |
Posted: April 05 2006 at 11:04 |
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Common frustration I bare with, it seems, as my mind successively
shatters each and every emulation for hope towards an emphatic display
of compassion for the less-fortunate (as I've had very good influences,
in terms of musical preference) that compose what society so leniently
labels as "our future". Vexating an approach to hypocrisy, lies an
abashed similarity to what I contemn, whithin surreally lurid memories
of a misled childhood, for I also declined more than what my frail,
asinine mind could withstand to hear and fear to enjoy, regarding
merely "the way it sounds" and how well it'd fit to "the way it should
sound", since prejudicious views were bashfully immune to furiously
battering 3-piece drums and bass-absent-powerchords (to provide an
elucidating example: I would surround myself in punkrock and,
consequently, worship Dio). However, in insidiousness' failure to be
mitigated, I should confess that, at the previously described period,
along with the lack of mature intelect were absent pubic hairs in my
yet unripe essence. Thus, any of these so called "youngsters" can only
be relieved from their fault and worthy imprecations should they be yet
to achieve pubescence. I would like to share my pain (and increase the
post's fall from interest) from a particularly disturbing experience,
over which I once so jubilantly condescended to extend my bonhomie
towards humans by providing my female colleague with a sip from The
Tangent; in result, she laughed away in her puerile nescience (for
music, that is - she's a good person, actually), followed by a languid
"What the hell are you listening to?" - come to think of it, it's
really my blame to account for revealing the girl a sound that
encompasses keyboards at an inflated range of protagonism... Sarcasm,
aside, even those whom I would hope to contradict a susceptible,
insuficient case have slaughtered my auditive insouciance, as it'll
perpetually reverberate "I just listen to the sound, not the
music/musicians itself/themselves". Nevertheless, not all whom are
absent from prog display such idiotic ideals, as even metal and hard
rock lovers can muster a good taste for music and a sagacious ear to
discern in evaluated definition.
Allas, I apologise for usurping the available space with my complaints, in such garrulous fashion. Edited by Aspiring hope |
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Chicapah
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Joined: February 14 2006 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 8238 |
Posted: April 05 2006 at 10:10 |
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I'm pleased to hear that the "osmosis" technique is still in effect, then. There was always the "heard it being played at the record store" thing, too. I hope you are right, friend, and that progressive minds are still alive in the world of the 21st century music scene. Someone has to save the planet from the anti-music that is rap. |
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"Literature is well enough, as a time-passer, and for the improvement and general elevation and purification of mankind, but it has no practical value" - Mark Twain
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Blackleaf
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Joined: February 22 2006 Location: Australia Status: Offline Points: 64 |
Posted: April 04 2006 at 19:56 |
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Are you saying there isn't that aspect? What about "Here, have a listen to this *offers other earplug*"
After all, that's EXACTLY how I got started :) BL~ |
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Chicapah
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Joined: February 14 2006 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 8238 |
Posted: April 04 2006 at 10:03 |
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Since I don't own an Ipod (I'm old!
 ) I can't comment intelligently on its practicality but I can definitely see it as a way to enjoy the music you like instead of having it force-fed to you by the radio. I guess the only thing I lament is the communal aspect of sharing new music with friends and discovering new music by osmosis.
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"Literature is well enough, as a time-passer, and for the improvement and general elevation and purification of mankind, but it has no practical value" - Mark Twain
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Blackleaf
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Joined: February 22 2006 Location: Australia Status: Offline Points: 64 |
Posted: April 03 2006 at 23:58 |
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What really annoys me is, I tell my friends about my music, they shrug it off. Then, I'll do up a compilation cd with various stuff on it, and, despite their "Favourite" band being Green Day or something generic like that, they just say "It's too complicated" or "I don't like solos" or any excuse.
I'm constantly amazed by the fact that people refuse to even give it a chance. I guess it's just the world we live in. I'll continue to attempt to get people into it, the ones that show any sort of interest at least, but damned if I push it. Ah well. BL~ Edit: I really disagree with the negativity towards iPod. It allows me to continually surround myself with music I enjoy. It can relax, excite, inspire and sedate, depending on what I'm listening to. iPods have freed music from the stereo at home. I find there's nothing better that putting something extremely chilled on when taking long bus rides to and from uni. Besides, I can feel good when I see some generic punksta also listening to their mP3 player, knowing my music is... more honest. Edited by Blackleaf |
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analogkid529
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Joined: October 28 2005 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 30 |
Posted: April 03 2006 at 12:32 |
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I wouldn't say that everyone hates prog. I'd actually say that it's making a comeback. Bands like Radiohead, Porcupine Tree, Dream Theater, Tool, the Mars Volta, and Coheed and Cambria are emerging and becoming more popular.
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One likes to believe in the freedom of music, for glittering prizes and endless compromises shatter the illusion of integrity.
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Magic Mountain
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Joined: March 21 2006 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 163 |
Posted: April 03 2006 at 12:06 |
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My mp3 player is the greatest thing that has ever happened. I have all 1000+ cds in my collection loaded and at my disposal. When I hike with my two dogs in the woods I am able to listen to Yes, Genesis, Riverside, Porcupine Tree, etc. There is nothing like enjoying prog in the great outdoors, communing with nature.
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Chicapah
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Joined: February 14 2006 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 8238 |
Posted: April 03 2006 at 10:53 |
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What's interesting to me is how things go in cycles despite the huge advances in technology. In the 50s and early 60s no one bought LP albums (unless it was a soundtrack for a musical). Instead, they bought single 45s because they only wanted that one particular song. They had no interest in say, what Paul Anka or even Chuck Berry also had to offer other than what might be on the B side of the single. It wasn't until the Beatles came along that music fans started wanting more from their artists. They wanted to be taken somewhere that their radio wouldn't take them. Perhaps that's where we are now with people only downloading one single song that they heard somewhere and just writing off an album as just "more stuff that probably sounds the same." I appreciate the input that Bournestar gave a few entries earlier and also agree with Ghandi's assessment. I can't help but be an "old fart" that treasures the music he grew up with. It goes with the territory, I guess. |
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Ghandi 2
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Joined: February 17 2006 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 1494 |
Posted: April 01 2006 at 22:47 |
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I feel that iPods cheapen music. First it makes it 10x easier to steal it, but I'm not going there right now, so we can pretend that you are one of the (few?) people who actually pay for their music. The problem is that people walk around with their iPods on all day. For example, at this thing I was at, as soon as he walked in the door this kid took his iPod off. So whatever he was listening to was just cut off. The listener doesn't get nearly as much out of the music if he is walking around with it on and off all day than if he sits in his room and listens to the whole thing from beginning to end, without skipping any tracks. (which is what I do, unless the album is 60+ minutes or one of the songs really sucks. It seems that pretty much nobody else my age listens to music like that; I guess I'm an anomoly. I am also one of the very few people I know who don't have an iPod; a $40 CD player that came with headphones is fine for me.) Besides breaking the continuity, if you're listening to music all day, it's not special anymore; it also must wreck havoc on your hearing. As for adults declaring the "end of good music," it's happened every time there was a change in styles. Beethoven shocked the music world with his obsession with rhythmic changes (see the first movement of the 5th Symphony); Classical fans were horrified by Jazz's lack of structure; everyone was horrified wehn in the '50s Elvis went from the opening (I forget the name) to subdominant, to dominant, and then back to subdominant before returning back to the beginning. Since I bet nobody knows what that means (I'm not even sure what it means |
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KoS
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Joined: May 17 2005 Location: Los Angeles Status: Offline Points: 16310 |
Posted: April 01 2006 at 20:23 |
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yup Ipods help and also help to meet proggers one of my friends had Yes, Rush, and KC on it and we started talking the only bad things about mp3 is proprietary software  |
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MustShaveBeard
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Joined: February 20 2005 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 366 |
Posted: April 01 2006 at 19:52 |
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Well it's not like you'll be banished from society for putting a whole album that you bought from the store on an iPod. Open your "Anything that's hip sucks" mind and you'll realise that an iPod is a music lover's utopia. (And this is not intended as an insult; I was against iPods not too long ago, too)
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Your life or your lupins!!!
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Bournestar
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Joined: March 31 2006 Location: United Kingdom Status: Offline Points: 12 |
Posted: April 01 2006 at 18:27 |
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I kinda agree with this statement. Bearing in mind that I am at the talked about 'teens of today' age, it probably isn't much surprise to me that I am the only one of my group of friends who doesn't have an Ipod. (I do have a minidisc player, on which Genesis is being played at this very moment, but that's neither here nor there). The thing with my minidisc player is that you have to physically get off your backside, buy the CD and then put it onto minidisc, and more often than not, the whole album goes on there. Why bother picking out certain songs when you can put all of them in? And with the Ipod, of course, people download one or two songs from an album and leave it at that. I asked one of my friends as to why he didn't have any more Coldplay songs on his Ipod, and he replied "Because they all sound the same," which is kinda odd really, considering there is a big case for a lot of prog not sounding the same. People seem happy with putting on just one song for a short while and then flicking over to something else, whether it be a short attention spans or something else. It's a shame really, considering, that most kids today haven't been able to access prog rock, maybe because of the reputation already put upon it, or because they simply haven't heard of it. And it's an even bigger shame considering the stuff that they're listening to instead of it. N.B: Apologies if you don't get where I'm coming from with this; to be honest I don't either. |
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The Miracle
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Joined: May 29 2005 Location: hell Status: Offline Points: 28427 |
Posted: March 31 2006 at 20:13 |
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I like prog and that's enough for me
Once a rapper asked me if "I like rock because everyone else listens to it" when he saw a notebook titled "Reviews -- ProgArchives.com - The ultimate prog rock discography" I couldn't help but laugh. |
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Space Chief
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Joined: January 03 2006 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 84 |
Posted: March 31 2006 at 20:04 |
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People who enjoy prog to the extent I do are backed into a corner for life. [/QUOTE] There are worse corners to be backed into. You could be in a corner with gangsta rappers! [/QUOTE] Fo' shizzle my nizzle dizzle. I wonder if there are any prog/hip-hop bands, I'd get a kick out of hearing "Close to the Edge" in rap. |
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Fusioned
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Joined: November 03 2005 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 69 |
Posted: March 31 2006 at 13:43 |
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This thread has become an awesome wealth of opinions and insights!
Thanks so much! Now I broke up with my girlfriend so to hell with her and her punk rock (though I listen to plenty of punk myself), but my mother on the other hand does not listen to prog nor does my father. My father digs stuff like Joy Division and New Order and the Talking Heads, bands that are popular but not of mainstream music. My mother on the other hand likes Def Leppard, Whitney Houston, and a bunch of eclectic stuff. So it's not really so much "pop music and rap music nowadays sucks", its that teenagers and young people are not being exposed to more genres and types of music. I'm only 20 years old but because I have an excellent range of music to listen to, I can go from listening to Underworld and other techno from the early 1990s to seriously rocking out to some ELP! On the other hand, take the kid down the block who hasnt been exposed and just gets sucked into rap or pop or whatever. He'll just be sticking with one genre and that is a horrible loss. I'm all for rap and value artists like NWA, Run DMC, 2 Live Crew, and Ludacris (No that isnt sarcasm), but the point is I can listen to them all and still appreciate other kinds of music and rock out to Yes and Rush after getting down with Fat Joe or whomever. As Geddy Lee once sung: "All this machinery making modern music can still be open-hearted" 
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Rosescar
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Posted: March 31 2006 at 13:24 |
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If there's one classical album you should get, get "Glenn Gould Plays Bach" which is ten CD's of Glenn Gould, well, playing Bach. Most of the classical I hear is what I play myself |
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The Wizard wrote:
Their generation revered Glenn Miller and Frank Sinatra and considered jazz to be the prog music of their day and the British Invasion of the 60s heralded the end of "good" music in their minds. I find that I feel the same way about Genesis and Yes compared to the crap I hear on the radio now. Back in the day we'd get an album, go home and listen to it uninterrupted from beginning to end because it was important to us to do just that. The teens of today have other priorities and I say let it be. Music will evolve with the society it is part of and I have no interest in finding out what that evolution will lead to in the future. I have my music and it makes me happy to listen to it. I, for one, am pleased that we didn't have Ipods in the 60s and 70s. I'm glad we didn't have MTV, as well. Let the newer generations find the music that stimulates their mind. Or not. If they don't develop and support their own Genesis or Yes in their sphere of awareness then it's their loss. And a real shame in my book. 