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    Posted: March 26 2006 at 14:16
Originally posted by Blacksword Blacksword wrote:

I've listened to a lot of 'Indie' music over the years, but it's definition appears to have changed. In the 80's the term 'Indie' merely reffered to any artist who recorded independantly of a major label. There were loads of indie labels in the UK; Rough Trade, Situation 2, 4AD, Factory etc. Now the term seems to be used for any band that isn't pop, RnB, Soul or Rock. The 'Indie' scene seems to have changed too. It's a huge money market now, aimed at the masses. I believe you can sell anything to anyone if you have the right marketting tools.

Indie music went through a creative renaissance in the 90's IMO. Bands like Curve, The Boo Radleys, Fields of the Nephilim, Lush, Chapter House, Ride and The Cocteau Twins made very original and imaginiative music.

I feel like that 'genre' has`lost it's creativity and it's soul, but I accpet that I may just be getting old.

agreed, "indie" as it was used in the 80s, was more of a cultural economic position on where a band came from while releasing music, never was really an indie "sound" back then, as the 80s waned "Alternative" became an all purpose catch term to describe this music, as the major record labels coopted Alternative in the mainstream in the early 90s...Alternative wasn't really alternative anymore thus becoming the norm, during this time a lot of bands/labels/zines/clubs etc, choose to lean more towards the "indie" label while promoting a band as not to seem part of the Alt-Rock-Trend-rock establishment, as we see now as the turn of the century came about, Indie became the new Alternative as well as a fall back genre label to tag bands with that certain "indie sound", therefor becoming a bonafide genre where people hear the word "indie" they automatically assume a specific style, sound and group of bands, as seen by the bands listen in this thread,

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I've listened to a lot of 'Indie' music over the years, but it's definition appears to have changed. In the 80's the term 'Indie' merely reffered to any artist who recorded independantly of a major label. There were loads of indie labels in the UK; Rough Trade, Situation 2, 4AD, Factory etc. Now the term seems to be used for any band that isn't pop, RnB, Soul or Rock. The 'Indie' scene seems to have changed too. It's a huge money market now, aimed at the masses. I believe you can sell anything to anyone if you have the right marketting tools.

Indie music went through a creative renaissance in the 90's IMO. Bands like Curve, The Boo Radleys, Fields of the Nephilim, Lush, Chapter House, Ride and The Cocteau Twins made very original and imaginiative music.

I feel like that 'genre' has`lost it's creativity and it's soul, but I accpet that I may just be getting old.

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Since there are some Smiths fans here, I thought I'd mention that Morrissey's new solo album is being released on the 3rd of April. Of course it has already leaked onilne. 

You can also listen to it legally here.


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The Fall are a great band and so are Mission Of Burma i guess there indie rock
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The problem as I see it:  A lot of Indie artists are Indie because they can't get a record deal or don't want a record deal (Artistic Control, etc.).

Several Indie bands have achieved a fair amount of success & ultimately gotten that deal - bringing fame & (sometimes) fortune. Also the record company will put up the money for a decent studio, marketing & touring (which the band must pay back out of record sales & touring).

With fame (fortune) & the Deal comes pressure to make Radio-Friendly music that can be shoved down the throats of a gullible public who, not coincidentally, has money to burn & tends to consume anything the media tells them is hot/good/fresh/etc.

This success turns the Indie band/artist into a commercial artist, no longer interested (seemingly) in making music. Now they are interested in making money. Sometimes the interest in making money is due to the fact that the deal they got from the record company had put them into debt - despite the fame & success.

It's a Catch-22.
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I'm another who likes this type of music. I thought Indie was a term for any band on an independent label.

I always love The Cocteau Twins, This Mortal Coil. Joy Division (ironic name, huh?). Well, there are many more, I'd just be relisting many that have already been mentioned.

Not sure if she qualifies but Danielle Dax music always blew me away. I classify her as prog but I'm in a minority, I know.



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I am rather partial to The Zutons first album.  Not sure if the new material is as good, I've only heard the one track.

I find most Indie useless.  I heard a Flaming Lips song the other day and it wasn't all that bad to my ears.

My friend has recommened The Mystery Jets to me, as he likes a bit of prog and knows I like it too.  Not explored that any futher yet though.

I just find most Indie drones on and on and on and on... ad infinitum.  The music doesn't take me anyhwere, it's like U2, very dull!
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I like everything I've heard off of the 4AD, Factory and (old) Rough Trade labels. Favorites include ACR, The Pop Group, New Order and Joy Division of course, Cocteau Twins, YMG, etc...  Good stuff.
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Yeah, weird name for it ..

I suposse Coldplay are awrite :)

I loved Parachutes.

Horray the smiths :]

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I like indie, but I must say it has got to be one of the most terrible genre names ever (being it is hardly descriptive).

Anyway, Modest Mouse is deffinitely my favorite when it comes to indie, but I also like My Bloody Valentine, The Pixies, The Smiths, The Shins, Secret Machines, The Flaming Lip and a bunch of other stuff too. I also absolutely love Coldplay and Death Cab for Cutie, but I guess their status as indie bands is fairly ambiguous? maybe? I don't know, they're at the top of the list with Modest Mouse, The Smiths and My Bloody Valentine for me.



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Yeah, the Futureheads rule :) when they did Kate Bush's version of Hounds of Love, I thought it was going to be rubbish, but it was so good :)

Horray for the television personalities :D

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I'm not exactly sure where the term "indie" in music came from, but I'd
speculate that it came from "independent cinema". Hence albums in indie
music are those that weren't released by one of the major labels.
Interpol's Turn On The Bright Lights is an indie album because it did not
directly involve a major label, Franz Ferdinand's self-titled is not. Wilco's
music is generally not indie but they were kicked off their major label for
the left-field Yankee Hotel Foxtrot (highly recommended for a prog fan
not allergic to alt-country) and had to release it independently. Bright
Eyes used to release under an independent label, I think up until Lifted.

I think that as the years have gone by it's become easier and easier to
come up with your own recorded music and distribute it without having
to deal with a major label. It's perfectly conceivable that the future of
music is not with the major labels at all.

Anyway, some of my favourite indie rock albums of the past five years:

Avey Tare And Panda Bear (now known as Animal Collective) - Spirit
They've Gone, Spirit They've Vanished
Okkervil River - Down The River Of Golden Dreams
Xiu Xiu - Fabulous Muscles

And the best of all, Sufjan Steven's Illinois
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i love: flaming lips, broken social scene, sonic youth, joy division, pixies, animal collective, the advantage, boards of canada, deerhoof, interpol, joy division, maeshi, man man, make a rising, samuel jackson 5, television personalities (syd barrett woohoo), tv on the radio, volcano! and xiu xiu



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i love the decemberists, the smiths, logh, lewis, modest mouse and most definitely the futureheads
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I do! :D lol.

I don't know if they are. They're definately not rock, nor are they crappy pop. Nor are they prog.

So yeah, I suposse :>

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Originally posted by memowakeman memowakeman wrote:

Is Embrace an indie band??

help me!!

Indie is a very vast term. It's hard to know for certain in some cases. I don't know who Embrace is though, so I'm of no help.
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cool :) horray for the flaming lips. man their videos are random.

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Is Embrace an indie band??

help me!!

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Here is a list of my favorites:

The Smiths, The Decemberists, The Dismemberment Plan, Iron & Wine, Broken Social Scene (borderline post-rock), Ted Leo & the Pharmacists, Sufjan Stevens, Death Cab for Cutie, Cursive, Andrew Bird, Pedro the Lion, Neutral Milk Hotel, The Flaming Lips, The New Amsterdams, The Get Up Kids, Murder by Death, Modest Mouse, Karate, Knapsack, The Jealous Sound, Interpol, The Gloria Record, Bear vs. Shark, Animal Collective, The Arcade Fire, and The Anniversary

Those are all the ones I could think of; some I like more than others.

And I love Coldplay.



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