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Topic: (real) Indie ..
Posted By: ¢¾Old¢¾Hen¢¾
Subject: (real) Indie ..
Date Posted: March 22 2006 at 08:39

I put real in brackets because there are too many wannabe indie bands of 2004 to present. When Coldplay released their debut in 2000, I loved it. And Them. Now EVERYONE loves them. They've got kinda commercial. Maybe that's good. But not if they've got it playing on the pop/dance music channels. It's the same with the Kaiser Chiefs, Artic Monkeys, The Streets, The Ordinary Boys ... and so on. The NME has turned into this crappy, stoopid magazine; they lick the Artic Monkeys' arses and call them the best band since ... I don't know when.

bring back the melody maker :D

:) My favourite indie bands ...         

. The Cure . The Smiths . Joy Division . Stone Roses . Happy Mondays . New Order . Manic Street Preachers .

I know a lot of people don't like Indie though, cus it's too soft for them .. then I know some people who only like Indie because Prog is boring and Metal is too heavy.

Hm ..

 



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Posted By: Trickster F.
Date Posted: March 22 2006 at 14:40

Some of my favourite Indie groups:

Arcade Fire
The Decembrists
The Flaming Lips
Joy Division
My Bloody Valentine
Neutral Milk Hotel
Sonic Youth
Xiu Xiu

I like the albums I have by them but need to listen to them all more often.

 -- Ivan



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Posted By: Meddler
Date Posted: March 22 2006 at 14:48
Would Bright Eyes be considered Indie? If so, that would be my favorite. 


Posted By: salmacis
Date Posted: March 22 2006 at 15:19

Don't even get me started on NME...being a mere 18 I'm possibly expected to like the sort of music they cover in their paper, but their hack journalism and blind following of flash in the pan bands just turns me right off. It's arguable in some respects that they are amongst those most responsible for the backlash against prog since the late 70s. NME recently disgusted me with their 'best British albums' poll which had The Arctic Monkeys at Number 5 (!), about a week after the album was released!! To be fair, some of my fave albums that are usually ignored, like the fantastic 'Oddesey and Oracle' by The Zombies, 'Bryter Layter' by Nick Drake and 'SF Sorrow' by The Pretty Things, were in there, but featuring an album that was technically hours old in a best ever poll was quite ridiculous.

I must admit I do find most indie rather 'soft' myself- bands like Keane, Snow Patrol, The Killers, The Bravery and of course, Coldplay, are amongst the wettest bands ever to masquerade under the term 'rock' and all do technically belong to the indie genre.

One band that has a degree of promise, though their singles seem to have been as uninspired as most indie fare, is The Mystery Jets; I heard a 10 minute epic by them lately that reminded me a little of King Crimson meets Caravan, though some Spinal Tap esque 'Listen To The Flower People' silliness creeped in at times. Yet, this shows some promise that at last indie acts may start experimenting beyond the usual territory...



Posted By: goose
Date Posted: March 22 2006 at 15:30
Lately I've been listening to:
Unwed Sailor,
Houston,
Shellac,
Flaming Lips ,
Pixies,
Rosie Thomas,
dEUS,
and I haven't been listening to Manic Street Preachers as much as I should have

All pretty good stuff. From a prog perspective those uninitiated into the world of indie could do worse than to listen to Flaming Lips, or maybe even dEUS or Houston (not the rapper..!)


Posted By: memowakeman
Date Posted: March 22 2006 at 16:05

what does indie mean?? how can a band could be considered indie, really i dont know that genre...

seeing the posts, most of the bands are english, i have heard a lot of times talk about brit-pop genre, coldplay, keane, travis, flaming lips, i dont know if brit pop and indie are the same...

sorry for my ignorance



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Posted By: Vompatti
Date Posted: March 22 2006 at 16:29
^Brit pop and indie aren't the same thing, but I'm not sure about the definition of indie either. Anyway, The Smiths , Joy Division and early R.E.M. are some of my favourites. And if Echo & The Bunnymen can be considered indie, they're great too.


Posted By: memowakeman
Date Posted: March 22 2006 at 17:08
Vompatti thanx... im seeing that Joy Division, The Smiths, are the most mentioned bands here, i like them, specially Smiths, maybe "indie" is on the later 80´s early 90´s

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Posted By: ¢¾Old¢¾Hen¢¾
Date Posted: March 22 2006 at 17:19
Originally posted by salmacis salmacis wrote:

Don't even get me started on NME...being a mere 18 I'm possibly expected to like the sort of music they cover in their paper, but their hack journalism and blind following of flash in the pan bands just turns me right off. It's arguable in some respects that they are amongst those most responsible for the backlash against prog since the late 70s. NME recently disgusted me with their 'best British albums' poll which had The Arctic Monkeys at Number 5 (!), about a week after the album was released!! To be fair, some of my fave albums that are usually ignored, like the fantastic 'Oddesey and Oracle' by The Zombies, 'Bryter Layter' by Nick Drake and 'SF Sorrow' by The Pretty Things, were in there, but featuring an album that was technically hours old in a best ever poll was quite ridiculous.

I must admit I do find most indie rather 'soft' myself- bands like Keane, Snow Patrol, The Killers, The Bravery and of course, Coldplay, are amongst the wettest bands ever to masquerade under the term 'rock' and all do technically belong to the indie genre.

One band that has a degree of promise, though their singles seem to have been as uninspired as most indie fare, is The Mystery Jets; I heard a 10 minute epic by them lately that reminded me a little of King Crimson meets Caravan, though some Spinal Tap esque 'Listen To The Flower People' silliness creeped in at times. Yet, this shows some promise that at last indie acts may start experimenting beyond the usual territory...

Yeah, The NME has gone from bad to WORSE in the last five years, since bands like Blur, Pulp and Oasis (well, the DECENT Oasis) dissapeared off the scene ..

I also like Soundgarden :) :x But I suposse they're not Indie ..

I always thought 'Indie' was a dog's name .. :>

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Posted By: ¢¾Old¢¾Hen¢¾
Date Posted: March 22 2006 at 17:20

Originally posted by Vompatti Vompatti wrote:

^Brit pop and indie aren't the same thing, but I'm not sure about the definition of indie either. Anyway, The Smiths , Joy Division and early R.E.M. are some of my favourites. And if Echo & The Bunnymen can be considered indie, they're great too.

Oooh, yes, REM :) Document is a bloody good album :D

Yeah, Echo is cool :)

And The Ramones ..

Hey ho! Let's Go!

I guess they're not indie though ...  

:S

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Posted By: Moatilliatta
Date Posted: March 22 2006 at 17:26

Here is a list of my favorites:

The Smiths, The Decemberists, The Dismemberment Plan, Iron & Wine, Broken Social Scene (borderline post-rock), Ted Leo & the Pharmacists, Sufjan Stevens, Death Cab for Cutie, Cursive, Andrew Bird, Pedro the Lion, Neutral Milk Hotel, The Flaming Lips, The New Amsterdams, The Get Up Kids, Murder by Death, Modest Mouse, Karate, Knapsack, The Jealous Sound, Interpol, The Gloria Record, Bear vs. Shark, Animal Collective, The Arcade Fire, and The Anniversary

Those are all the ones I could think of; some I like more than others.

And I love Coldplay.



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Posted By: memowakeman
Date Posted: March 22 2006 at 17:28

Is Embrace an indie band??

help me!!



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Posted By: ¢¾Old¢¾Hen¢¾
Date Posted: March 22 2006 at 17:28

cool :) horray for the flaming lips. man their videos are random.



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Posted By: Moatilliatta
Date Posted: March 22 2006 at 17:29
Originally posted by memowakeman memowakeman wrote:

Is Embrace an indie band??

help me!!

Indie is a very vast term. It's hard to know for certain in some cases. I don't know who Embrace is though, so I'm of no help.



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Posted By: ¢¾Old¢¾Hen¢¾
Date Posted: March 22 2006 at 17:36

I do! :D lol.

I don't know if they are. They're definately not rock, nor are they crappy pop. Nor are they prog.

So yeah, I suposse :>

:)

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Posted By: Jack-a-lynn
Date Posted: March 22 2006 at 18:58
i love the decemberists, the smiths, logh, lewis, modest mouse and most definitely the futureheads

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Posted By: Rashikal
Date Posted: March 22 2006 at 18:59
i love: flaming lips, broken social scene, sonic youth, joy division, pixies, animal collective, the advantage, boards of canada, deerhoof, interpol, joy division, maeshi, man man, make a rising, samuel jackson 5, television personalities (syd barrett woohoo), tv on the radio, volcano! and xiu xiu




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Posted By: Hector Gilbert
Date Posted: March 22 2006 at 22:53
I'm not exactly sure where the term "indie" in music came from, but I'd
speculate that it came from "independent cinema". Hence albums in indie
music are those that weren't released by one of the major labels.
Interpol's Turn On The Bright Lights is an indie album because it did not
directly involve a major label, Franz Ferdinand's self-titled is not. Wilco's
music is generally not indie but they were kicked off their major label for
the left-field Yankee Hotel Foxtrot (highly recommended for a prog fan
not allergic to alt-country) and had to release it independently. Bright
Eyes used to release under an independent label, I think up until Lifted.

I think that as the years have gone by it's become easier and easier to
come up with your own recorded music and distribute it without having
to deal with a major label. It's perfectly conceivable that the future of
music is not with the major labels at all.

Anyway, some of my favourite indie rock albums of the past five years:

Avey Tare And Panda Bear (now known as Animal Collective) - Spirit
They've Gone, Spirit They've Vanished
Okkervil River - Down The River Of Golden Dreams
Xiu Xiu - Fabulous Muscles

And the best of all, Sufjan Steven's Illinois


Posted By: ¢¾Old¢¾Hen¢¾
Date Posted: March 23 2006 at 07:26

Yeah, the Futureheads rule :) when they did Kate Bush's version of Hounds of Love, I thought it was going to be rubbish, but it was so good :)

Horray for the television personalities :D

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Posted By: helofloki
Date Posted: March 23 2006 at 11:03

I like indie, but I must say it has got to be one of the most terrible genre names ever (being it is hardly descriptive).

Anyway, Modest Mouse is deffinitely my favorite when it comes to indie, but I also like My Bloody Valentine, The Pixies, The Smiths, The Shins, Secret Machines, The Flaming Lip and a bunch of other stuff too. I also absolutely love Coldplay and Death Cab for Cutie, but I guess their status as indie bands is fairly ambiguous? maybe? I don't know, they're at the top of the list with Modest Mouse, The Smiths and My Bloody Valentine for me.



Posted By: ¢¾Old¢¾Hen¢¾
Date Posted: March 23 2006 at 17:38

Yeah, weird name for it ..

I suposse Coldplay are awrite :)

I loved Parachutes.

Horray the smiths :]

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Posted By: Zac M
Date Posted: March 23 2006 at 19:46
I like everything I've heard off of the 4AD, Factory and (old) Rough Trade labels. Favorites include ACR, The Pop Group, New Order and Joy Division of course, Cocteau Twins, YMG, etc...  Good stuff.

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Posted By: VanderGraafKommandöh
Date Posted: March 23 2006 at 23:18
I am rather partial to The Zutons first album.  Not sure if the new material is as good, I've only heard the one track.

I find most Indie useless.  I heard a Flaming Lips song the other day and it wasn't all that bad to my ears.

My friend has recommened The Mystery Jets to me, as he likes a bit of prog and knows I like it too.  Not explored that any futher yet though.

I just find most Indie drones on and on and on and on... ad infinitum.  The music doesn't take me anyhwere, it's like U2, very dull!


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Posted By: darren
Date Posted: March 24 2006 at 02:24

I'm another who likes this type of music. I thought Indie was a term for any band on an independent label.

I always love The Cocteau Twins, This Mortal Coil. Joy Division (ironic name, huh?). Well, there are many more, I'd just be relisting many that have already been mentioned.

Not sure if she qualifies but Danielle Dax music always blew me away. I classify her as prog but I'm in a minority, I know.



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Posted By: A'swepe
Date Posted: March 24 2006 at 10:51

The problem as I see it:  A lot of Indie artists are Indie because they can't get a record deal or don't want a record deal (Artistic Control, etc.).

Several Indie bands have achieved a fair amount of success & ultimately gotten that deal - bringing fame & (sometimes) fortune. Also the record company will put up the money for a decent studio, marketing & touring (which the band must pay back out of record sales & touring).

With fame (fortune) & the Deal comes pressure to make Radio-Friendly music that can be shoved down the throats of a gullible public who, not coincidentally, has money to burn & tends to consume anything the media tells them is hot/good/fresh/etc.

This success turns the Indie band/artist into a commercial artist, no longer interested (seemingly) in making music. Now they are interested in making money. Sometimes the interest in making money is due to the fact that the deal they got from the record company had put them into debt - despite the fame & success.

It's a Catch-22.



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Posted By: Hemispheres
Date Posted: March 24 2006 at 20:58

The Fall are a great band and so are Mission Of Burma i guess there indie rock



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Posted By: Vompatti
Date Posted: March 25 2006 at 04:13
Since there are some Smiths fans here, I thought I'd mention that Morrissey's new solo album is being released on the 3rd of April. Of course it has already leaked onilne. 

You can also listen to it legally http://myspace.com/morrissey - here .


Posted By: ANDREW
Date Posted: March 25 2006 at 09:07
I like THE CURE


Posted By: Blacksword
Date Posted: March 26 2006 at 06:06

I've listened to a lot of 'Indie' music over the years, but it's definition appears to have changed. In the 80's the term 'Indie' merely reffered to any artist who recorded independantly of a major label. There were loads of indie labels in the UK; Rough Trade, Situation 2, 4AD, Factory etc. Now the term seems to be used for any band that isn't pop, RnB, Soul or Rock. The 'Indie' scene seems to have changed too. It's a huge money market now, aimed at the masses. I believe you can sell anything to anyone if you have the right marketting tools.

Indie music went through a creative renaissance in the 90's IMO. Bands like Curve, The Boo Radleys, Fields of the Nephilim, Lush, Chapter House, Ride and The Cocteau Twins made very original and imaginiative music.

I feel like that 'genre' has`lost it's creativity and it's soul, but I accpet that I may just be getting old.



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Posted By: mithrandir
Date Posted: March 26 2006 at 14:16
Originally posted by Blacksword Blacksword wrote:

I've listened to a lot of 'Indie' music over the years, but it's definition appears to have changed. In the 80's the term 'Indie' merely reffered to any artist who recorded independantly of a major label. There were loads of indie labels in the UK; Rough Trade, Situation 2, 4AD, Factory etc. Now the term seems to be used for any band that isn't pop, RnB, Soul or Rock. The 'Indie' scene seems to have changed too. It's a huge money market now, aimed at the masses. I believe you can sell anything to anyone if you have the right marketting tools.

Indie music went through a creative renaissance in the 90's IMO. Bands like Curve, The Boo Radleys, Fields of the Nephilim, Lush, Chapter House, Ride and The Cocteau Twins made very original and imaginiative music.

I feel like that 'genre' has`lost it's creativity and it's soul, but I accpet that I may just be getting old.

agreed, "indie" as it was used in the 80s, was more of a cultural economic position on where a band came from while releasing music, never was really an indie "sound" back then, as the 80s waned "Alternative" became an all purpose catch term to describe this music, as the major record labels coopted Alternative in the mainstream in the early 90s...Alternative wasn't really alternative anymore thus becoming the norm, during this time a lot of bands/labels/zines/clubs etc, choose to lean more towards the "indie" label while promoting a band as not to seem part of the Alt-Rock-Trend-rock establishment, as we see now as the turn of the century came about, Indie became the new Alternative as well as a fall back genre label to tag bands with that certain "indie sound", therefor becoming a bonafide genre where people hear the word "indie" they automatically assume a specific style, sound and group of bands, as seen by the bands listen in this thread,




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