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    Posted: December 14 2007 at 18:03
Anvil's Metal on Metal(83) is an early power metal album nobody else mentioned but i don't know if its the first

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whern I was a young kid (14 when Manowar's Battle Hymns was released), they were generally considered as being the fathers of Power Metal, as distinct from NWOBHM....
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^ agreed, my mistake... that was a long time ago.....
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Originally posted by aapatsos aapatsos wrote:

Originally posted by mystic fred mystic fred wrote:

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^ NWOBHM is definitely a genre!

spo: Heaven and Hell is mainly heavy metal IMO, but you are right in a way if you consider Neon Knights...

i have always considered NWOBHM as not a specific genre or sub-genre of  heavy rock/metal but is more of a description of the players, musicians from Britain around the early 80's.

I don't think so, NWOBHM was a metal 'movement', that consisted of various bands who had a similar sound... early Maiden, Ratt, Raven, Diamond Head etc.




For the record Ratt was never a nwobhm band, they're not even british!!
They may be an influence on later power metal
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But we're getting out of the subject here, it's not about NWOBHM, it's about the first POWER metal album

let me here your thoughts...
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Originally posted by mystic fred mystic fred wrote:

Originally posted by aapatsos aapatsos wrote:

^ NWOBHM is definitely a genre!

spo: Heaven and Hell is mainly heavy metal IMO, but you are right in a way if you consider Neon Knights...

i have always considered NWOBHM as not a specific genre or sub-genre of  heavy rock/metal but is more of a description of the players, musicians from Britain around the early 80's.

I don't think so, NWOBHM was a metal 'movement', that consisted of various bands who had a similar sound... early Maiden, Ratt, Raven, Diamond Head etc.
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Originally posted by MikeEnRegalia MikeEnRegalia wrote:

Originally posted by Snow Dog Snow Dog wrote:

Classic Rock is a Genre?

gen·re Pronunciation (zhänr)
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1. A type or class: "Emaciated famine victims ... on television focused a new genre of attention on the continent" Helen Kitchen.
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b. A realistic style of painting that depicts scenes from everyday life.

 

I didn't say I didn't know what genre meant.

NWOBHM is a genre by that definition ... it marks a distinctive style, form or content. That's why I posted these definitions ...

Maybe we would get somewhere if you explained why NWOBHM or Classic Rock aren't genres in your opinion?
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Originally posted by aapatsos aapatsos wrote:

^ NWOBHM is definitely a genre!

spo: Heaven and Hell is mainly heavy metal IMO, but you are right in a way if you consider Neon Knights...

i have always considered NWOBHM as not a specific genre or sub-genre of  heavy rock/metal but is more of a description of the players, musicians from Britain around the early 80's.
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Originally posted by MikeEnRegalia MikeEnRegalia wrote:

Originally posted by Snow Dog Snow Dog wrote:

Classic Rock is a Genre?

gen·re Pronunciation (zhänr)
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I didn't say I didn't know what genre meant.
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Originally posted by Snow Dog Snow Dog wrote:

Classic Rock is a Genre?

gen·re Pronunciation (zhänr)
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In my opinion, NWOBHM is as much a genre as Classic Rock. It is associated with a certain sound and, more importantly, era that, for example, just like groups who copy The Beatles nowadays aren't called Classic Rock because they make music now, not in the 60/70's; so groups who do music in the style of Iron Maiden and early Judas Priest are now called Traditional/Heavy/Speed/whatever instead of NWOBHM since the "new wave" got old.

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Originally posted by Snow Dog Snow Dog wrote:

Originally posted by aapatsos aapatsos wrote:

^ NWOBHM is definitely a genre!

No, Asbestos, I disagree!

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Originally posted by aapatsos aapatsos wrote:

^ NWOBHM is definitely a genre!

No, Asbestos, I disagree!
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^ NWOBHM is definitely a genre!

spo: Heaven and Hell is mainly heavy metal IMO, but you are right in a way if you consider Neon Knights...
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Originally posted by MikeEnRegalia MikeEnRegalia wrote:

^  That would depend on your definition of "genre". NWOBHM is a good genre definition in my opinion, as all those bands share some key properties. I'd say that it is as much a genre as Canterbury, RIO or Bay Area Thrash.

That wikipedia certainly is a good definition for some of the bands, but not all................ok maybe your right. 
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^  That would depend on your definition of "genre". NWOBHM is a good genre definition in my opinion, as all those bands share some key properties. I'd say that it is as much a genre as Canterbury, RIO or Bay Area Thrash.
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Originally posted by MikeEnRegalia MikeEnRegalia wrote:

Originally posted by Snow Dog Snow Dog wrote:

Originally posted by MikeEnRegalia MikeEnRegalia wrote:

Originally posted by Snow Dog Snow Dog wrote:

What is Power Metal? How come Iron Maiden are? I've been lis=tening to them from the beginning and never heard them described thus.

Well, there is a definitive connection between Iron Maiden and Helloween ... I think that Iron Maiden are forerunners of Power Metal - the only problem is that a) they started in another genre (NWOBHM) and b) the label "Power Metal" simply hadn't been "invented" yet back then.

Nwobhm is not a genre surely?

New Wave of British Heavy Metal:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NWOBHM

So not a genre then.
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I want to say Black Sabbath "Heaven and Hell". 1980 right?
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