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Dick Heath
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Topic: Help with fusion Posted: March 18 2006 at 06:15 |
Coincidently the jazz rock fusion web discussion site Fusenet
have currently started a thread: your top ten favourite but obvious
jazz rock albums, and your top ten "obscure" jazz rock albums. Any
thoughts???
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Cinema
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Posted: March 17 2006 at 18:45 |
Dick Heath wrote:
Cinema wrote:
Be sure to check out these
fantastic fusion bands which I haven't yet seen mentioned: - McGill/
Manring/Stevens |
Scott McGill is worth chasing down through Finneus Gauge
(sort of UK meets Bruford Band, or Echolyn goes jazz
rock), Hand Farm (hint of late 80's Holdsworth). Michael
Manring is a great unsung bass player, found working with many
other folks - for instance, check out Yo Miles (a Miles Davis
tribute bands) Up River double (issue dby Cuneiform last year),
with Henry Kaiser, Mike Keneally, Tom Coster, Steve Smith etc.
I've often suggested the legato aspect of McGill work, reminds
me of Holdsworth. But there are so many Holdsworthian axemen
out there nowadays:
John Erickson of (Whoopgnash, based Minnesota) -
their first album is a must.
Austrian guitarist Alex MacHacek, now based in USA and working
with Terry Bozzio - seek out McHacek's Featuring Ourselves
(note: leader and band names are spelt differently)
French guitarists Jacques La Greca , (Ipsis File) and
Nguyen Le who uses legato with his Vietnamese influence jazz fusion.
Gamelon
Susan Weinert: her album Running Out Of Time was
my favourite release of 2005 (but I've said that here before) |
Scott McGill, as well as Vic Stevens and Michael Manring, are all
prominently featured on the brand new A Triggering Myth album, The
Remedy of Abstraction. It's a superb album, by the way.
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Dick Heath
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Posted: March 17 2006 at 11:56 |
Cinema wrote:
Be sure to check out these fantastic fusion bands which I haven't yet seen mentioned:
- McGill/Manring/Stevens
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Scott McGill is worth chasing down through Finneus Gauge (sort of UK meets Bruford Band, or Echolyn goes jazz rock), Hand Farm (hint of late 80's Holdsworth). Michael Manring is a great unsung bass player, found working with many other folks - for instance, check out Yo Miles (a Miles Davis tribute bands) Up River double (issue dby Cuneiform last year), with Henry Kaiser, Mike Keneally, Tom Coster, Steve Smith etc.
I've often suggested the legato aspect of McGill work, reminds me of Holdsworth. But there are so many Holdsworthian axemen out there nowadays:
John Erickson of (Whoopgnash, based Minnesota) - their first album is a must.
Austrian guitarist Alex MacHacek, now based in USA and working with Terry Bozzio - seek out McHacek's Featuring Ourselves (note: leader and band names are spelt differently)
French guitarists Jacques La Greca , (Ipsis File) and Nguyen Le who uses legato with his Vietnamese influence jazz fusion.
Gamelon
Susan Weinert: her album Running Out Of Time was my favourite release of 2005 (but I've said that here before)
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Posted: March 17 2006 at 11:42 |
Brian Auger's Oblivion Express - Closer to it and Second Wind
Billy Cobham - Stratus
Return to Forever - No Mystery
Herbie Hancock - Headhunters
Since you lean toward prog, these are right up your alley. If you missed Chris Squire's "Fish out of Water" you might give it a go, as well.
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Cinema
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Posted: March 17 2006 at 11:23 |
Be sure to check out these fantastic fusion bands which I haven't yet seen
mentioned:
- A Triggering Myth
- Kenso
- Priam
- McGill/Manring/Stevens
- Mirage
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Posted: March 17 2006 at 11:15 |
VanBuren wrote:
I need some advice of what fusion music to listen to. I have heavy weather by weather report and like it-for the most part and mahavishnu orchestra's inner mounting flame which is also fairly good, I'm actually more of a prog fan (genesis, hackett, iq, rush, king crimson, yes, ect). so please, any ideas of albums i might like would be appreciated. |
You mention a few of my favorite bands. Some newer fusion bands that I like, partly because they use vocals are:
Umpgrey's McGee - a must try.
Underground Railroad
Land of Chocolate
4 Front - no vocals, very Rush-like.
Ohm - no vocals, just plain excellent.
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Posted: March 17 2006 at 10:44 |
Area
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Perigeo
Esagono
Etna
Periferia del mondo
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It's awfully considerate of you to think of me here
And I'm much obliged to you for making it clear That I'm not here.
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Posted: March 17 2006 at 10:18 |
Dick Heath wrote:
Majestic_Mayhem wrote:
Return To Forever-- Romantic Warrior (almost straight jazz)
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Beg to differ. From out of RTF's catalogue it is the closest to symphonic prog - oft said to be their Yes-influenced album.
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Stand corrected . Thanks DH. Im learning!
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Posted: March 17 2006 at 00:16 |
TheProgtologist wrote:
Try some newer fusion out:
Niacin - Time Crunch and Organik
Attention Deficit - The Idiot King
Ohm - Amino Acid Flashback
Jonas Hellborg - Abstract Logic
Anything by Tribal Tech.
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I can't believe I forgot that one! It is excellent.
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Damen
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Posted: March 16 2006 at 23:54 |
Niacin is putting out the best new fusion IMO.
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Posted: March 16 2006 at 23:41 |
Soft Machine
Miles Davis (Bitches Brew, In A Silent Way, Agharta)
Frank Zappa (Hot Rats)
Traffic- mach II
Chase
Blood, Sweat and Tears
Hatfield and the North
Matching Mole
John Mayall (Bare Wires, Jazz Fusion)
Colosseum
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Posted: March 16 2006 at 22:54 |
Tribal Tech are magnificent, inspirational, energetic, atmospheric and sublime. I'm sure many proggers would love them. They are out of this world!
For those who know them, what do you make of the ending of "What Has He Had" from Thick ? It sounds as though they are doing a live spoof of progressive rock, complete with Wakeman-like keyboards and bombastic drumming. It's quite amusing, and the audience certainly seems to find it very funny.
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Posted: March 16 2006 at 18:10 |
Somer favorites that come to mind.
Weather Report: I Sing The Body Electric
Miles Davis: Bitches Brew
John Abercombie: Timeless
John Abercrombie: Night
Chcick Corea's Ekectrik band has some great albums too.
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Posted: March 16 2006 at 17:29 |
Dick Heath wrote:
timothy leary wrote:
Vibrationbaby wrote:
If
you can find any thing by German prog-fusion band Eiliff from the early
seventies go for it. Journey to the Center of Their Third One is the
standout. Also you might want to check ou Guru Guru`s Dance Of the
Flames which features the same guita/sitar player. Sounds a bit
like 1973 Mahavishnu Orchestra at times minus the key board and violin.
Also, although hard to find you might want to check out the second
Forcefield II album with Jan Akkerman on guitar and Cozy Powell on the
kit.
| the guitar player for Guru Guru on the album Dance............. Awesome
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And not forgetting Rainer Bruninghaus the house keyboard player on
ECM REcords nowadays and regular in Jan Garbarek's 90's
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Yeah a completely overlooked player by many.
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Posted: March 16 2006 at 17:26 |
I recommend:
- Brand X - Unorthodox Behaviour (1976)
- Brand X - Moroccan Roll (1977)
- Mahavishnu Orchestra - Birds of Fire (1972)
- Dixie Dregs - What If (1978)
- Gong - Shamal (1976)
- Gong - Gazeuse! (1976)
- Passport - Looking Thru (1974)
- Soft Machine - Fourth (1971)
- Return to Forever - Romantic Warrior (1976)
- Frank Zappa - The Grand Wazoo (1972)
- Frank Zappa - One Size Fits All (1975)
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Posted: March 16 2006 at 17:16 |
How about Brian Auger's Oblivion Express - Straight Ahead ? That's pretty fusionish!
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Dick Heath
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Posted: March 16 2006 at 15:27 |
timothy leary wrote:
Vibrationbaby wrote:
If you can find any thing by German prog-fusion band Eiliff from the early seventies go for it. Journey to the Center of Their Third One is the standout. Also you might want to check ou Guru Guru`s Dance Of the Flames which features the same guita/sitar player. Sounds a bit like 1973 Mahavishnu Orchestra at times minus the key board and violin. Also, although hard to find you might want to check out the second Forcefield II album with Jan Akkerman on guitar and Cozy Powell on the kit.
| the guitar player for Guru Guru on the album Dance............. Awesome
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And not forgetting Rainer Bruninghaus the house keyboard player on ECM REcords nowadays and regular in Jan Garbarek's 90's groups
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Posted: March 16 2006 at 14:23 |
Vibrationbaby wrote:
If you can find any thing by German prog-fusion band Eiliff from the
early seventies go for it. Journey to the Center of Their Third One is
the standout. Also you might want to check ou Guru Guru`s Dance Of the
Flames which features the same guita/sitar player. Sounds a bit
like 1973 Mahavishnu Orchestra at times minus the key board and violin.
Also, although hard to find you might want to check out the second
Forcefield II album with Jan Akkerman on guitar and Cozy Powell on the
kit.
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the guitar player for Guru Guru on the album Dance............. Awesome
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Vibrationbaby
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Posted: March 16 2006 at 14:18 |
If you can find any thing by German prog-fusion band Eiliff from the
early seventies go for it. Journey to the Center of Their Third One is
the standout. Also you might want to check ou Guru Guru`s Dance Of the
Flames which features the same guita/sitar player. Sounds a bit
like 1973 Mahavishnu Orchestra at times minus the key board and violin.
Also, although hard to find you might want to check out the second
Forcefield II album with Jan Akkerman on guitar and Cozy Powell on the
kit.
Edited by Vibrationbaby
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Posted: March 16 2006 at 12:24 |
Majestic_Mayhem wrote:
Return To Forever-- Romantic Warrior (almost straight jazz)
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Beg to differ. From out of RTF's catalogue it is the closest to symphonic prog - oft said to be their Yes-influenced album.
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