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Topic: Help with fusion
Posted By: VanBuren
Subject: Help with fusion
Date Posted: March 15 2006 at 21:44
I need some advice of what fusion music to listen to.  I have heavy weather by weather report and like it-for the most part and mahavishnu orchestra's inner mounting flame which is also fairly good, I'm actually more of a prog fan (genesis, hackett, iq, rush, king crimson, yes, ect). so please, any ideas of albums i might like would be appreciated.



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Posted By: Rorro
Date Posted: March 15 2006 at 21:50
maybe you should try Deus Ex Machina, Cinque is awesome.


Posted By: Cygnus X-2
Date Posted: March 15 2006 at 21:52

My recommendations:

  • Brand X- Masques
  • Bruford- Feels Good to Me
  • Bruford- One of a Kind
  • Jean-Luc Ponty- Imaginary Voyage
  • Jean-Luc Ponty- Enigmatic Ocean
  • Al DiMeola- Elegant Gypsy
  • Al DiMeola- Casino

And many more.



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Posted By: NetsNJFan
Date Posted: March 15 2006 at 22:37

my recommendations:

  • Brand X - Moroccan Roll (1977)
  • Bruford - The Bruford Tapes (1979)
  • Frank Zappa - The Grand Wazoo (1973)
  • Frank Zappa - Hot Rats (1969)


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Posted By: arnold stirrup
Date Posted: March 15 2006 at 22:42
Miles Davis - In A Silent Way 

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Posted By: Damen
Date Posted: March 15 2006 at 22:53

Damen recommends:

  • Mahavishnu Orchestra - Birds of Fire
  • Mahavishnu Orchestra - Inner Mounting Flame
  • Brand X - Unorthodox Behaviour
  • Colosseum - Valentine Suite
  • Area - Caution Radiation Area
  • Bill Bruford - Feels Good to Me
  • Return to Forever - Return to Forever
  • Planet X - Moon Babies
  • Bruford Levin Upper Extremities - Bruford Levin Upper Extremities
  • Dixie Dregs - What If

I could go on and on, I love fusion.



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Posted By: hey_timj
Date Posted: March 15 2006 at 22:55
MO's "between nothingness and eternity" owns my soul.


Posted By: Hemispheres
Date Posted: March 15 2006 at 22:56
  • Return To Forever - Hymn Of The Seventh Galaxy
  • Miles Davis - Live Evil,Trubute To Jack Johnson,Big Fun,Bitches Brew
  • Zappa - Hot Rats,Grand Wazoo,Waka Jawaka,Make A Jazz Noise Here
  • John Mclaughlin(Mahavishnu Orchestra) - Birds Of Fire,Devotion,Visions Of The Emeral Beyond,The Inner Mounting Flame,
  • Weather Report - Sweetnighter,Black Market


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Posted By: Hemispheres
Date Posted: March 15 2006 at 22:57

Originally posted by hey_timj hey_timj wrote:

MO's "between nothingness and eternity" owns my soul.

yah thats good aswell



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Posted By: Moatilliatta
Date Posted: March 15 2006 at 23:07
  • Return to Forever - Romantic Warrior
  • Weather Report - Black Market
  • Mahavishu - Birds of Fire
  • Brand X - Unorthodox Behaviour
  • Niacin - Time Crunch
  • Miles Davis - Bitches Brew

Those are some of my favorites.



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Posted By: TheProgtologist
Date Posted: March 16 2006 at 01:19

Try some newer fusion out:

Niacin - Time Crunch and Organik

Attention Deficit - The Idiot King

Ohm - Amino Acid Flashback

Jonas Hellborg - Abstract Logic

Anything by Tribal Tech.



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Posted By: Rising Force
Date Posted: March 16 2006 at 01:24
Return to Forever - No Mystery
Al Di Meola - Land of the Midnight Sun
Shawn Lane - Powers of Ten
Tony MacAlpine - Chromaticity
Jens Johansson/Anders Johansson/Allan Holdsworth - Heavy Machinery (can't wait to order this album)




Posted By: TheProgtologist
Date Posted: March 16 2006 at 01:28

Originally posted by Rising Force Rising Force wrote:


Shawn Lane - Powers of Ten

 

At least someone else here has heard of this great guitarist.



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Posted By: Mongo
Date Posted: March 16 2006 at 01:43

Jeff Beck - Wired

Jeff Beck - Blow By Blow

Billy Cobham - Spectrum

Alphonse Mouzon - Mind Transplant

Al DiMeola - Elegant Gypsy

Dixie Dregs - What If



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Posted By: eugene
Date Posted: March 16 2006 at 03:51

Originally posted by Rorro Rorro wrote:

maybe you should try Deus Ex Machina, Cinque is awesome.

No doubt about that, but I do not think they are fusion at all.



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Posted By: Dick Heath
Date Posted: March 16 2006 at 03:57

Feel we have been here before and not so long ago, so I recommend the usual cross-section, via

http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/tg/listmania/list-browse/-/RPLR4BTT3SJC/026-3409414-4590000 - http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/tg/listmania/list-browse /-/RPLR4BTT3SJC/026-3409414-4590000



Posted By: pero
Date Posted: March 16 2006 at 04:11

Billy Cobham - Spectrum, Crosswinds

Mahavishnu orchestra - Birds of fire

John Mclaughlin - Electric guitarist

Return to forever - No Mystery, Hymn of seventh galaxy

Passport - Looking thru, Croscollateral

Jeff Beck - Wired, Jeff Beck with Jan Hammer

Deodato - Prelude

Herbie Hancock - Headhunters

Weather report - 1 album

Jaco Pastorius - Curtain call



Posted By: JayDee
Date Posted: March 16 2006 at 07:12

Try

Vital Tech Tones-- (Victor Wooten,Scott Henderson, Steve Smith)

Bozzio, Levin, Stevens-- Situation Dangerous

Return To Forever-- Romantic Warrior (almost straight jazz)

 



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Posted By: timothy leary
Date Posted: March 16 2006 at 07:59
Gamalon


Posted By: Tuzvihar
Date Posted: March 16 2006 at 08:42
Try this:

John McLaughlin & Carlos Santana - Love, Devotion, Surrender.

Absolutely devine!

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Posted By: ANDREW
Date Posted: March 16 2006 at 08:57

RETURN TO FOREVER: "Romantic Warrior" (1976)

It's one of the best jazz-rock/fusion albums of all time!!!



Posted By: Dick Heath
Date Posted: March 16 2006 at 12:24
Originally posted by Majestic_Mayhem Majestic_Mayhem wrote:

 

Return To Forever-- Romantic Warrior (almost straight jazz)

 

 

Beg to differ. From out of RTF's catalogue it is the closest to symphonic prog - oft said to be their Yes-influenced album.



Posted By: Vibrationbaby
Date Posted: March 16 2006 at 14:18
If you can find any thing by German prog-fusion band Eiliff from the early seventies go for it. Journey to the Center of Their Third One is the standout. Also you might want to check ou Guru Guru`s Dance Of the Flames which features the same  guita/sitar player. Sounds a bit like 1973 Mahavishnu Orchestra at times minus the key board and violin. Also, although hard to find you might want to check out the second Forcefield II album with Jan Akkerman on guitar and Cozy Powell on the kit.


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Posted By: timothy leary
Date Posted: March 16 2006 at 14:23
Originally posted by Vibrationbaby Vibrationbaby wrote:

If you can find any thing by German prog-fusion band Eiliff from the early seventies go for it. Journey to the Center of Their Third One is the standout. Also you might want to check ou Guru Guru`s Dance Of the Flames which features the same  guita/sitar player. Sounds a bit like 1973 Mahavishnu Orchestra at times minus the key board and violin. Also, although hard to find you might want to check out the second Forcefield II album with Jan Akkerman on guitar and Cozy Powell on the kit.
the guitar player for Guru Guru on the album Dance............. Awesome


Posted By: Dick Heath
Date Posted: March 16 2006 at 15:27

Originally posted by timothy leary timothy leary wrote:

Originally posted by Vibrationbaby Vibrationbaby wrote:

If you can find any thing by German prog-fusion band Eiliff from the early seventies go for it. Journey to the Center of Their Third One is the standout. Also you might want to check ou Guru Guru`s Dance Of the Flames which features the same  guita/sitar player. Sounds a bit like 1973 Mahavishnu Orchestra at times minus the key board and violin. Also, although hard to find you might want to check out the second Forcefield II album with Jan Akkerman on guitar and Cozy Powell on the kit.
the guitar player for Guru Guru on the album Dance............. Awesome

 

 

And not forgetting Rainer Bruninghaus the house keyboard player on ECM REcords nowadays and regular in Jan Garbarek's 90's groups 



Posted By: erlenst
Date Posted: March 16 2006 at 17:16
How about Brian Auger's Oblivion Express - Straight Ahead ? That's pretty fusionish!


Posted By: Bj-1
Date Posted: March 16 2006 at 17:26

I recommend:

  • Brand X - Unorthodox Behaviour (1976)
  • Brand X - Moroccan Roll (1977)
  • Mahavishnu Orchestra - Birds of Fire (1972)
  • Dixie Dregs - What If (1978)
  • Gong - Shamal (1976)
  • Gong - Gazeuse! (1976)
  • Passport - Looking Thru (1974)
  • Soft Machine - Fourth (1971)
  • Return to Forever - Romantic Warrior (1976)
  • Frank Zappa - The Grand Wazoo (1972)
  • Frank Zappa - One Size Fits All (1975)


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Posted By: Vibrationbaby
Date Posted: March 16 2006 at 17:29
Originally posted by Dick Heath Dick Heath wrote:

Originally posted by timothy leary timothy leary wrote:

Originally posted by Vibrationbaby Vibrationbaby wrote:

If you can find any thing by German prog-fusion band Eiliff from the early seventies go for it. Journey to the Center of Their Third One is the standout. Also you might want to check ou Guru Guru`s Dance Of the Flames which features the same  guita/sitar player. Sounds a bit like 1973 Mahavishnu Orchestra at times minus the key board and violin. Also, although hard to find you might want to check out the second Forcefield II album with Jan Akkerman on guitar and Cozy Powell on the kit.
the guitar player for Guru Guru on the album Dance............. Awesome

 

 

And not forgetting Rainer Bruninghaus the house keyboard player on ECM REcords nowadays and regular in Jan Garbarek's 90's groups 

Yeah a completely overlooked player by many.


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Posted By: Dr. Occulator
Date Posted: March 16 2006 at 18:10
Somer favorites that come to mind.

Weather Report: I Sing The Body Electric
Miles Davis: Bitches Brew
John Abercombie: Timeless
John Abercrombie: Night

Chcick Corea's Ekectrik band has some great albums too.


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Posted By: oddentity
Date Posted: March 16 2006 at 22:54

Tribal Tech are magnificent, inspirational, energetic, atmospheric and sublime.     I'm sure many proggers would love them.    They are out of this world!  

For those who know them, what do you make of the ending of "What Has He Had" from Thick ?  It sounds as though they are doing a live spoof of progressive rock, complete with Wakeman-like keyboards and bombastic drumming.   It's quite amusing, and the audience certainly seems to find it very funny.   



Posted By: Witchwoodhermit
Date Posted: March 16 2006 at 23:41

Soft Machine

Miles Davis (Bitches Brew, In A Silent Way, Agharta)

Frank Zappa (Hot Rats)

Traffic- mach II

Chase

Blood, Sweat and Tears

Hatfield and the North

Matching Mole

John Mayall (Bare Wires, Jazz Fusion)

Colosseum



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Posted By: Damen
Date Posted: March 16 2006 at 23:54
Niacin is putting out the best new fusion IMO.

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Posted By: Moatilliatta
Date Posted: March 17 2006 at 00:16
Originally posted by TheProgtologist TheProgtologist wrote:

Try some newer fusion out:

Niacin - Time Crunch and Organik

Attention Deficit - The Idiot King

Ohm - Amino Acid Flashback

Jonas Hellborg - Abstract Logic

Anything by Tribal Tech.

I can't believe I forgot that one! It is excellent.



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Posted By: JayDee
Date Posted: March 17 2006 at 10:18
Originally posted by Dick Heath Dick Heath wrote:

Originally posted by Majestic_Mayhem Majestic_Mayhem wrote:

 

Return To Forever-- Romantic Warrior (almost straight jazz)

 

 

Beg to differ. From out of RTF's catalogue it is the closest to symphonic prog - oft said to be their Yes-influenced album.

Stand corrected. Thanks DH. Im learning!



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Posted By: mautux
Date Posted: March 17 2006 at 10:44

Area

Arti e mestieri

Perigeo

Esagono

Etna

Periferia del mondo

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Posted By: JusLisn
Date Posted: March 17 2006 at 11:15

Originally posted by VanBuren VanBuren wrote:

I need some advice of what fusion music to listen to.  I have heavy weather by weather report and like it-for the most part and mahavishnu orchestra's inner mounting flame which is also fairly good, I'm actually more of a prog fan (genesis, hackett, iq, rush, king crimson, yes, ect). so please, any ideas of albums i might like would be appreciated.

You mention a few of my favorite bands. Some newer fusion bands that I like, partly because they use vocals are:

Umpgrey's McGee - a must try.

Underground Railroad

Land of Chocolate

4 Front - no vocals, very Rush-like.

Ohm - no vocals, just plain excellent.



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Posted By: Cinema
Date Posted: March 17 2006 at 11:23
Be sure to check out these fantastic fusion bands which I haven't yet seen
mentioned:

- A Triggering Myth

- Kenso

- Priam

- McGill/Manring/Stevens

- Mirage


Posted By: Chicapah
Date Posted: March 17 2006 at 11:42

Brian Auger's Oblivion Express - Closer to it and Second Wind

Billy Cobham - Stratus

Return to Forever - No Mystery

Herbie Hancock - Headhunters

Since you lean toward prog, these are right up your alley.  If you missed Chris Squire's "Fish out of Water" you might give it a go, as well.



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Posted By: Dick Heath
Date Posted: March 17 2006 at 11:56

Originally posted by Cinema Cinema wrote:

Be sure to check out these fantastic fusion bands which I haven't yet seen
mentioned:


- McGill/Manring/Stevens

 

Scott McGill is worth chasing down through Finneus Gauge (sort of UK meets Bruford Band, or Echolyn goes jazz rock), Hand Farm (hint of late 80's Holdsworth). Michael Manring is a great unsung bass player, found working with many other folks - for instance, check out Yo Miles (a Miles Davis tribute bands) Up River double (issue dby Cuneiform last year), with Henry Kaiser, Mike Keneally, Tom Coster, Steve Smith etc. 

 

I've often suggested the legato aspect of McGill work, reminds me of Holdsworth. But there are so many Holdsworthian axemen out there nowadays:

John Erickson of (Whoopgnash, based Minnesota) - their  first album is a must.

Austrian guitarist Alex MacHacek, now based in USA and working with Terry Bozzio - seek out McHacek's Featuring Ourselves (note: leader and band names are spelt differently)

French guitarists Jacques La Greca , (Ipsis File) and Nguyen Le who uses legato with his Vietnamese influence jazz fusion.

Gamelon

Susan Weinert: her album Running Out Of Time was my favourite release of 2005 (but I've said that here before)



Posted By: Cinema
Date Posted: March 17 2006 at 18:45
Originally posted by Dick Heath Dick Heath wrote:

Originally posted by Cinema Cinema wrote:

Be sure to check out these
fantastic fusion bands which I haven't yet seen mentioned: - McGill/
Manring/Stevens


 


Scott McGill is worth chasing down through Finneus Gauge
(sort of UK meets Bruford Band, or Echolyn goes jazz
rock), Hand Farm (hint of late 80's Holdsworth). Michael
Manring
is a great unsung bass player, found working with many
other folks - for instance, check out Yo Miles (a Miles Davis
tribute bands) Up River double (issue dby Cuneiform last year),
with Henry Kaiser, Mike Keneally, Tom Coster, Steve Smith etc. 


 


I've often suggested the legato aspect of McGill work, reminds
me of Holdsworth. But there are so many Holdsworthian axemen
out there nowadays:


John Erickson of (Whoopgnash, based Minnesota) -
their  first album is a must.


Austrian guitarist Alex MacHacek, now based in USA and working
with Terry Bozzio - seek out McHacek's Featuring Ourselves
(note: leader and band names are spelt differently)


French guitarists Jacques La Greca , (Ipsis File) and
Nguyen Le
who uses legato with his Vietnamese influence jazz fusion.


Gamelon


Susan Weinert: her album Running Out Of Time was
my favourite release of 2005 (but I've said that here before)



Scott McGill, as well as Vic Stevens and Michael Manring, are all
prominently featured on the brand new A Triggering Myth album, The
Remedy of Abstraction. It's a superb album, by the way.


Posted By: Dick Heath
Date Posted: March 18 2006 at 06:15
Coincidently the jazz rock fusion web discussion site Fusenet have currently started a thread: your top ten favourite but obvious jazz rock albums, and your top ten "obscure" jazz rock albums. Any thoughts???



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