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fairyliar
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Topic: why women dont like prog? Posted: March 22 2006 at 16:08 |
It's true that there are few girls liking prog. Just in the crowd at a gig, the conclusion is clear.
I got two sisters, one is an exception she likes ELP, Genesis, Peter Gabriel, Yes and even King Crimson's most obscure stuff like Red...the other likes Yes but that's all, she doesn't really cre about music.
But yes most of women are hooked by melodies, often love lyrics or no point lyrics, sugar voices...just look to rnb, most of listeners are girls...it's simple repetitive rythm, easy melodies, poor lyrics...
But it's the same for lots of men too...I can see it all around me.
To be true, the audience for prog is very very few by these days compared to the 70s. Maybe a change of mind too...
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robertplantowns
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Posted: March 22 2006 at 15:53 |
mystic fred wrote:
robertplantowns wrote:
One reason women do not like prog because is because they can't relate to the lyrics. For women lyrics are of an ultimate importance and they like sappy lyrics more than a good riff or chord progression. Women like to be able to sing along to music, and for women, the meaning of the song is more important than the music itself. Have you ever heard a woman say, "Hey check out that sweet interplay between those instruments." or, "wow the chord structures are so brilliant", or "hey check out that sick virtuosic solo" no simply because most women do not really care about those sorts of things. MOST. Not to say that women can't like prog or classical or jazz music, but they tend to prefer it for the "feeling" the music exudes rather than the sake of just listening to some interesting chords, lines, complex arrangements etc. Which is not to say that listening to music for its "feeling" is the wrong way of listening to music, but generally, women tend to hear music on a feeling standpoint. Ohh these lyrics make me feel this way, this song is soo sad, this is my sad collection of songs. (have you ever met a guy who has a "sad" collection of songs, or a "happy" collection) Oh this song is so romantic and makes me feel something something. Oh this classical song, or progressive rock song "feels" nice, but they won't like music for it's sheer virtuosity, complexity, originality, weird factor, or progressive qualities, which is what progressive music is all about. For instance, a woman could NEVER get into some really technical, atonal, math-metal that is so complex and intricate but doesn't give off any feeling whatsoever. THAT's why women tend to dislike progressive rock. |
a lot of what you say is true unfortunately regarding SOME women but many of your comments are rather sexist....!!!! shame on you - i can hear the few female prog fans we've got reading the above angrily throwing their mice at their computer screens right now! seriously, it's all down to personal taste - i've known lots of women into all types of prog but most seem to dislike heavy metal with a passion. |
There's nothing sexist about my comments, women are just different. It's sexist to point out that the differences are bad, but it's not sexist to point out that there ARE differences. I don't think that the way I listen to music is right, and I don't think the way women listen to music is wrong, it's subjective, but I'm just pointing out trends based on observations. And yes, It IS all about personal taste but as a whole my comments shed light on how MOST women listen to music, not all. Women tend to look for different things in music than men, and there's absolutely nothing wrong with that! But I guess in today's age of political correctness, making observations about reality is seen as racist or sexist.... Would it be sexist if a woman didn't agree with my taste in music, or music that many men tend to like? No, so there is a pretty big double standard there..
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Empathy
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Posted: March 22 2006 at 15:52 |
^ agreed! My wife has turned me on to music I never would have listened to before I met her, and vice versa.
She now loves Porcupine Tree (although I almost fell over when she told
me she thought they were better than Pink Floyd) , and I have an
appreciation for Depeche Mode!
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Dr. Occulator
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Posted: March 22 2006 at 15:26 |
Sean Trane wrote:
Antennas wrote:
One thing *I* wonder about is how it is possible that so many of the 'prog-males' over here seem to actually be married to a someone that doesn't share their interest. I wouldn't be able to stay in such a marriage, actually... guess it's my wrong. |
You'd not be thinking much of me if I was to leave her just for not having the same musical tastes.
You'd not be thinking much of me if I was to leave her if I found a
woman who loved prog and had not much other affinities with her.
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It would be a good excuse for Jerry Seinfeld or George Castanza.
As I said my girlfriend loves prog and has her own definite tastes on what she thinks is good or bad.
The majority of the population (male & female) are only exposed to
the very commercial uninspired Top 40 radio hits. If someone isn't
curious enough to look further that's all they're going to understand.
Male or female I think alot of what we like is what we've been exposed to growing up
or influenced by other friends.
I do feel lucky I've found someone who can enjoy the kind of music I like.
However being exposed to prog doesn't necessarily mean everyone will like it.
That would be boring.
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Alucard
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Posted: March 22 2006 at 11:40 |
oliverstoned wrote:
USAGirl wrote:
I like it too. And I can dance to it. In fact it is a lot more interesting to dance to than what is usually offered as "dance music".
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I know a PA member (but i won't reveal his identity) who likes to dance on Zappa, GG, and Coltrane/Ascension...
if you read this... |
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Tadpoles keep screaming in my ear
"Hey there! Rotter's Club!
Explain the meaning of this song and share it"
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Posted: March 22 2006 at 11:15 |
Antennas wrote:
One thing *I* wonder about is how it is possible that so many of the 'prog-males' over here seem to actually be married to a someone that doesn't share their interest. I wouldn't be able to stay in such a marriage, actually... guess it's my wrong.
No offense intended BTW - let's all just keep enjoying the music we love!
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Hi Antennas,
(missed you last saturday in The Hague)
Who says we do not share interests with our mates? The main thing is to find someone with whom you can spend a lot of time with, someone you love and care for, etc....
As there are too few woman not in prog music, (even you will not deny this, I hope) and some like Jean and Friede marry in between themselves, (to make matters worse as the ratio of finding a prog-loving woman decreases even further), prog-loving males must actually settle with a mate that does not really have our musical tastes (although mine is slowly learning , but it is not always easy to get her attention on these groups), but this hardly means that I do not share other interests with my long-standing girlfriend (12 years now).
You'd not be thinking much of me if I was to leave her just for not having the same musical tastes.
You'd not be thinking much of me if I was to leave her if I found a woman who loved prog and had not much other affinities with her.
With some women, you can never have it right
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let's just stay above the moral melee prefer the sink to the gutter keep our sand-castle virtues content to be a doer as well as a thinker, prefer lifting our pen rather than un-sheath our sword
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Posted: March 22 2006 at 09:48 |
USAGirl wrote:
I like it too. And I can dance to it. In fact it is a lot more interesting to dance to than what is usually offered as "dance music".
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I know a PA member (but i won't reveal his identity) who likes to dance on Zappa, GG, and Coltrane/Ascension...
if you read this...
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¢¾Old¢¾Hen¢¾
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Posted: March 22 2006 at 09:36 |
Dragon Phoenix wrote:
My wife was singing Comforatbly numb and Shine on you crazy diamond while we were making breakfast this morning.... |
Awww ...
sweet :)
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Posted: March 22 2006 at 09:12 |
Dr. Occulator wrote:
I think alot of you are stereotyping women with many of these comments. There are probably as many males as females that aren't into prog as much as the commercial stuff. Maybe you should take some time to get to know some other women. I have many female friends, sisters and a girlfriend that loves prog. You don't have to be a musician to appreciate good music. However you may have to put some effort into finding a friend (male or female) that does appreciate prog. And when you find them, hold on to them!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Finally, an intelligent remark... as a deep prog-lover, and most definitely of the female gender, I seriously began to doubt whether a lot of you males over here have ever seriously tried to understand a woman.
One thing *I* wonder about is how it is possible that so many of the 'prog-males' over here seem to actually be married to a someone that doesn't share their interest. I wouldn't be able to stay in such a marriage, actually... guess it's my wrong.
No offense intended BTW - let's all just keep enjoying the music we love!
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Jesus never managed to figure out the theremin either
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Dragon Phoenix
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Posted: March 22 2006 at 08:48 |
My wife was singing Comforatbly numb and Shine on you crazy diamond while we were making breakfast this morning....
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Blog this:
http://artrock2006.blogspot.com
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¢¾Old¢¾Hen¢¾
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Posted: March 22 2006 at 08:46 |
Chicapah wrote:
Or, as Peter Gabriel said so distinctly, "Lady, kiss that prog..." |
He said that?
:x
Lol :D
*hits Peter with a sledgehammer*
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¢¾Old¢¾Hen¢¾
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Posted: March 22 2006 at 08:44 |
I like small writing :)
Meh, rock music doesn't interest mum .. she's into UB40 and simply red ...
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Pablo_P
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Posted: March 22 2006 at 08:41 |
I know some girls that like progressive rock... to be honest, I don't like the others
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Lindsay Lohan
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Posted: March 22 2006 at 04:33 |
There is not many males either that listen to prog
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mystic fred
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Posted: March 22 2006 at 04:32 |
robertplantowns wrote:
One reason women do not like prog because is because they can't relate to the lyrics. For women lyrics are of an ultimate importance and they like sappy lyrics more than a good riff or chord progression. Women like to be able to sing along to music, and for women, the meaning of the song is more important than the music itself. Have you ever heard a woman say, "Hey check out that sweet interplay between those instruments." or, "wow the chord structures are so brilliant", or "hey check out that sick virtuosic solo" no simply because most women do not really care about those sorts of things. MOST. Not to say that women can't like prog or classical or jazz music, but they tend to prefer it for the "feeling" the music exudes rather than the sake of just listening to some interesting chords, lines, complex arrangements etc. Which is not to say that listening to music for its "feeling" is the wrong way of listening to music, but generally, women tend to hear music on a feeling standpoint. Ohh these lyrics make me feel this way, this song is soo sad, this is my sad collection of songs. (have you ever met a guy who has a "sad" collection of songs, or a "happy" collection) Oh this song is so romantic and makes me feel something something. Oh this classical song, or progressive rock song "feels" nice, but they won't like music for it's sheer virtuosity, complexity, originality, weird factor, or progressive qualities, which is what progressive music is all about. For instance, a woman could NEVER get into some really technical, atonal, math-metal that is so complex and intricate but doesn't give off any feeling whatsoever. THAT's why women tend to dislike progressive rock. |
a lot of what you say is true unfortunately regarding SOME women but many of your comments are rather sexist....!!!! shame on you - i can hear the few female prog fans we've got reading the above angrily throwing their mice at their computer screens right now! seriously, it's all down to personal taste - i've known lots of women into all types of prog but most seem to dislike heavy metal with a passion.
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USAGirl
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Posted: March 22 2006 at 03:33 |
I like it too. And I can dance to it. In fact it is a lot more interesting to dance to than what is usually offered as "dance music".
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ViolinCyndee
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Posted: March 22 2006 at 03:30 |
I like it!
Cyndee
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soundsweird
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Posted: March 22 2006 at 02:21 |
....because they can't dance to it.
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Posted: March 21 2006 at 17:32 |
¢¾Old¢¾Hen¢¾ wrote:
I think my mum doesn't like it because she wasn't a kid in that era .. Maybe women don't like it because it's heavy :x |
Obviously, not all prog is heavy! Try Camel or Caravan for example.
PS. Could you use a bigger font so it would be easier to read?
Edited by Tuzvihar
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"Music is much like f**king, but some composers can't climax and others climax too often, leaving themselves and the listener jaded and spent."
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¢¾Old¢¾Hen¢¾
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Posted: March 21 2006 at 16:58 |
I think my mum doesn't like it because she wasn't a kid in that era .. Maybe women don't like it because it's heavy :x
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