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Peace Frog 
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Posted: March 30 2006 at 15:39 |
Usually it's just pointless, emotionless, crap that bothers me and gets in the ay of the real music.
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Trickster F.
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Posted: March 30 2006 at 14:19 |
I don't listen to any w**kery "virtuoso" music, but Metal/Speed solo's are good exactly in Speed/Trad/Thrash Metal, and often are used in some of the Avant-Metal I listen to.
I also cringed when I saw another post claiming that "everything that isn't Dream Theater is bad about Progmetal". Oh well, can't heal the sick!
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The Wizard
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Posted: March 30 2006 at 14:04 |
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It depends. Petrucci and Vai and annoying but Joe Satriani can do the right.
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W.Chuck
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Posted: March 27 2006 at 01:56 |
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Well it's my personal opinion. John Petrucci is nice when
he plays slow, no doubt, but whenever he plays fast, I
just think "Oh...well...fast but nothing else".
I'm not saying that there is no melody, but it simply
sounds awful. Too fast, bad sound (way too clean) and
so I get the pereception that they are mindless.
(Even if you won't agree, and I'm sure you won't this
is my personal notion, please accept it)
And Kirk Hammet, I find some great solos in Metallicas
songs and some worse and senseless as well. But in the solo sessions live he really proves that he is a great
guitarist. And I really love his blues orientated side.
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Moatilliatta
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Posted: March 26 2006 at 16:13 |
 W.Chuck wrote:
I love slow and fast solos, as long as they have a certain medlody and a sense.
Solos Michael Romeo, Tony MacAlpine, Marcel Coenen, Jani Liimatainen, Kirk Hammet, Stephan Forte, Uli Jon Roth, etc... are awesome.
But guitarists like Rusty Cooley or John Petrucci are just terrible when they play fast...
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How could you say Kirk Hammet has melody and sense and Petrucci doesn't? I think Petrucci is one of the finest in terms or melody and sense at all speeds.
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W.Chuck
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Posted: March 26 2006 at 07:24 |
not always  I know many great solos of him,
nevertheless there are still some boring and senseless solos.
Edited by W.Chuck
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Ed_The_Dead
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Posted: March 26 2006 at 07:17 |
W.Chuck wrote:
I love slow and fast solos, as long as they have a certain medlody and a sense.
Solos Michael Romeo, Tony MacAlpine, Marcel Coenen, Jani Liimatainen, Kirk Hammet, Stephan Forte, Uli Jon Roth, etc... are awesome.
But guitarists like Rusty Cooley or John Petrucci are just terrible when they play fast...
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Kirk Hammet has melody and sence?!
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Zweck
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Posted: March 26 2006 at 07:14 |
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I like me a good Frippian shredd.
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W.Chuck
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Posted: March 26 2006 at 05:48 |
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I love slow and fast solos, as long as they have a certain medlody and a sense.
Solos Michael Romeo, Tony MacAlpine, Marcel Coenen, Jani Liimatainen, Kirk Hammet, Stephan Forte, Uli Jon Roth, etc... are awesome.
But guitarists like Rusty Cooley or John Petrucci are just terrible when they play fast...
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Zepology101
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Posted: March 25 2006 at 19:47 |
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you don't really need to have extremely fast solos to be good. ask a professional guitar player and thgey'll say anyone can play a whole bunch of notes fast, it akes a true player to make more out of one note than with 100
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Dr Know
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Posted: March 25 2006 at 19:32 |
Malmsteen and Michael Angelo
I don´t like Petrucci´s shredding with Rudess doing the same thing on keyboards. I love Petrucci´s slower stuff like the guitar solo on "Lines in the sand" but when it comes to shredding Petrucci is annoying.
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Posted: March 25 2006 at 17:11 |
luckyman_123 wrote:
Not very tasteful
at all.
Now let's go listen to real prog. |
hahahha... you rock Spam man.
as for me.... annoying as hell, a reason I listen to....prog. ^^^^ 
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Moatilliatta
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Posted: March 25 2006 at 17:09 |
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As long as it is interesting/innovative/able to retain emotion and feeling, it is fine for me. A lot of prog metal bands aren't able to though. Dream Theater is the best at it; they can all play ridiculously fast (alone or together) without compromising the song's integrity.
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MajesterX
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Posted: March 25 2006 at 16:46 |
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I love bands like symphony X and Dream Theater, and i'm not hard to please, but occaisionally I just want to skip the solos, becuase I like melody more than solo. I like them more than o.k so I voted awesome, but it the solo has no context within the song what so ever, I'm going to not like it as much.
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mithrandir
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Posted: March 25 2006 at 16:17 |
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excessive soloing is the bane of Metal, IMO some of the best Metal out there keeps this compulsory element in check if having any of it in a song at all,
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dagrush
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Posted: March 25 2006 at 14:43 |
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Dream Theater's my favourite band, so, generally my response will be "awesome".
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Manunkind
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Posted: March 25 2006 at 14:38 |
 that's a staggering post if I ever saw one.
(gets beaten up by the bad joke police)
and what's Jimmy Page doing up there?
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luckyman_123
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Posted: March 25 2006 at 14:30 |
Sort of the same idea as Jimmy Page,
Fast, but
Not very tasteful
at all.
Now let's go listen to real prog.
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Anguiad
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Posted: March 25 2006 at 01:29 |
If you mean speed solos they can get kind of annoying after a while. But more in the mood solos, like Gilmour, are beautiful. Every guitar player has his/her own style of emotion through solos, and I agree comparing em with each other is not cool.
Don't you think there should be more bass solos?(or maybe there are and i'm not acquainted with them?) Imagine four minutes with dude Myung swinging his hair back and forth or Squire and his faces or Geddy Lee's?
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hamham
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Posted: March 19 2006 at 04:46 |
el böthy wrote:
I can stand Dream theater with their fast solo´s...but when it´s all about them, like un Sym x...then no sir...that´s too much
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aw come on, it's not even all that fast >:(
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