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Prog-jester 
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Posted: February 25 2006 at 03:28 |
It DOES matter.I'm tired with silly 70-min albums filled with stupid tracks which might be archived for a bonus releases.I'd throw away few tracks from every DT's 70-min album.
Why overload someone?I think, 35-60 min is ideal lenght.
I voted 51-60,to be honest 
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Moatilliatta
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Posted: February 25 2006 at 01:28 |
It really doesn't matter. Quality is the most important aspect. Classics were generally in the 30-50 minute range because of the format limitations, and that works for me; it's great music, and it doesn't take up too much time. Roine Stolt and Neal Morse are great examples of long material outputs. Neal has put out at least one 60+ minute album every year since 1999, and Roine at least one 60+ minute album every year since 1994, and for the most part, it's quality material, though some is awfully time consuming and difficult to get through in one sitting. I'm kind of ranting a bit, but the point is, I'm happy either way, as long as it's quality.
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Ivan_Melgar_M
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Posted: February 25 2006 at 00:38 |
I see that the 40 - 50 minutes option is the most voted (along with doesn't matter), seems that all the old farts raised with the limited LP format are voting. 
Despite being an old fart also, I voted for doesn't matter, the artist should decide the lenght, but keeping always the lenght and tracks of the original release.
Iván
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ChadFromCanada
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Posted: February 24 2006 at 23:50 |
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For an album, I wish the classic ones were using a format at the time
that would have allowed more than 40 minutes of music per LP.
It'd be nice if they were all 60-70 minutes.
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Asyte2c00
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Posted: February 24 2006 at 23:14 |
Since most my cd collection is made up of classic prog and classic rock with a adequate amount of modern rock and modern prog, i am used to listenng to albums that are about 40 minutes to 60 minutes in length.
However, i enjoy live albums that run the full 80 minutes on cd and double live albums. Also, double studio albums TFK's Unfold the Future, are good.
Studio albums that are one cd that run the whole 80 minutes, like Zappa's You Are What You Is, are pretentious and overdone most of the time,
Edited by Asyte2c00
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Karn Evil 9
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Posted: February 24 2006 at 23:11 |
I would like it if bands now would make albums just short of 80 minutes, since thats how much cds hold. I love getting an album with 70+ minutes of good music because in some cases, its twice what you get on most albums.
and I like bonus tracks sometimes, but in many cases, the songs were left off the origional album for a reason. a perfect example is Burn by Deep Purple the bonus tracks are differant versions of songs on the album that sound almost identical to the first verison.
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Posted: February 24 2006 at 23:01 |
 micky wrote:
that's interesting Ivan.... I think the bonus tracks can be really interesting and an insight into the creative processes. Look at Tormato and it's bonus tracks.... there are two or three songs that were done during those sessions that really are as good or better than nearly anything on that yet for some reason weren't put on the album (though one ended up on Drama)
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I don't deny some songs may be good, but an album reached the status of masterpiece with a determined number of songs in a determined order, all this songs create an atmosphere or a concept.
Anything added can change that, if the artist did it one way originally, I believe it should be kept like that.
Bsnus tracks are great for box sets or for bad albums (Tormato is one of the worst Yes albums) in the first case we pay for those rare recordings, in the second case, bonus tracks can only make better a bad album, and if they make it worst...who cares, it was bad anyway.
Iván
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Posted: February 24 2006 at 22:31 |
 At first, looking at the title, I thought this was another Velvet gang "growing pains" thread , but now I see that it's for grownups....
Ideal length?
21 - 30 minutes... certainly no more than 40!
Any more than that, and you risk serious chafing , and the wife calling a halt to the proceedings (at least until the sober light of dawn)! 
Silly, obsessive, list-making progholes! 
BTW: I used to like "singles" too -- now I can't afford them.
Guess I'm in it for the long-play....
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Posted: February 24 2006 at 21:21 |
ivan_2068 wrote:
I was raised with the LP format which usually
didn't exceed 45 minutes (I taped so many in 90 minutes cassttes for my
first car back in the 80's , two albums per cassette even
when a few times I had to fade the volume manually ).
So I was used to that, but normally don't care about the lenght.
What I don't like are bonus tracks, in most cases sound artificial
and obviously are out of their natural context. Leave masterpieces as
they were originally recorded.!!!
Iván |
that's interesting Ivan.... I think the bonus tracks can be really
interesting and an insight into the creative processes. Look at
Tormato and it's bonus tracks.... there are two or three songs
that were done during those sessions that really are as good or better
than nearly anything on that yet for some reason weren't put on the
album (though one ended up on Drama)
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Ivan_Melgar_M
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Posted: February 24 2006 at 21:16 |
I was raised with the LP format which usually didn't exceed 45 minutes (I taped so many in 90 minutes cassttes for my first car back in the 80's , two albums per cassette even when a few times I had to fade the volume manually ).
So I was used to that, but normally don't care about the lenght.
What I don't like are bonus tracks, in most cases sound artificial and obviously are out of their natural context. Leave masterpieces as they were originally recorded.!!!
Iván
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WillieThePimp
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Posted: February 24 2006 at 20:08 |
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31-40 minutes usually works for me. It really can go either way though,
as Lindsay has been saying, double concept albums can be incredible,
but if it is just one piece I prefer to finish it in 31-40
minutes.
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Posted: February 24 2006 at 15:59 |
Viajero Astral wrote:
Lindsay Lohan wrote:
Well lenght does not matters but if you could choose you would rather have 80 mins of great music than 40 mins of great music |
Only if the 80 min are much better than te 40 min one (The Lamb vs A Trick of the Tail).
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I just loove the lamb although there are some filler tracks i simply skip em...there is still atleast 70 mins of really great music and the whole disc 1 is perfect!
Genesis always had quite long vinyls! But i think some of gentle giants vinyls are a bit too short
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Viajero Astral
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Posted: February 24 2006 at 15:56 |
Lindsay Lohan wrote:
Well lenght does not matters but if you could choose you would rather have 80 mins of great music than 40 mins of great music |
Only if the 80 min are much better than te 40 min one (The Lamb vs A Trick of the Tail).
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Posted: February 24 2006 at 15:53 |
Lindsay Lohan wrote:
Ah well i like em as long as they get  |
Ooh er missus!
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sleeper
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Posted: February 24 2006 at 15:53 |
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^well obviously but we cant always get that, unfortunatly.
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Lindsay Lohan
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Posted: February 24 2006 at 15:47 |
Well lenght does not matters but if you could choose you would rather have 80 mins of great music than 40 mins of great music
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sleeper
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Posted: February 24 2006 at 15:44 |
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I dont think the length matters, for instance 2112 is less than 40 minutes yet is brilliant but DT's SFAM is twice as long and is also brilliant.
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Viajero Astral
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Posted: February 24 2006 at 15:35 |
ANDREW wrote:
Em1ty wrote:
What makes a good album IMO is the quality of the songs! You can make an album with 20 min of crap and 40 min of good music but the album would be probably better if it had contain only the 40 min of goodness for the ears!
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I agree with you Em1ty. |
Yes, it depends of the music, if an album its very very good, you are not going to want that it finishes. Of course the double CD's concept albums are great, but they are good concept albums in one CD (SFAM for example).
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ANDREW
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Posted: February 24 2006 at 15:23 |
Em1ty wrote:
What makes a good album IMO is the quality of the songs! You can make an album with 20 min of crap and 40 min of good music but the album would be probably better if it had contain only the 40 min of goodness for the ears!
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I agree with you Em1ty.
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Lindsay Lohan
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Posted: February 24 2006 at 14:00 |
i LOOOVE double concept albums...but too many times there are a bit of filler here and there but the best ones def are:
The Human Equation-Ayreon
Snow-Spocks Beard
The lamb lies down on broadway(Some filler music but such a great story!)-Genesis!
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