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Ivan_Melgar_M 
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 Topic: Drama Vs. Duke
Posted: February 14 2006 at 23:25 |
No problem here, Duke is a bad hybrid, a forced mixture between bland POP and boring POP.
Drama is a great album, no Jon Anderson or Rick Wakeman, but a very good album with incredible solid tracks (Except Into the Lens).
BTW: For that guy that calls Trevor Horn a poor's man Jon Anderson I would say that I'd go blindly with Trevor Horn's voice over Jon Anderson's any day.
Drama all the way.
Iván
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micky
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Posted: February 14 2006 at 21:34 |
 dralan wrote:
"Drama" has some killer music on it but Trevor Horn comes off
like a poor-mans Jon Anderson, and the band was having major personnel
and artistic issues at the time, so Id rate it just average. |
hmmmmm..... let me be forward and play with the order of the points in your post.....
the band was having major personnel and artistic issues at the time and "Drama" has some killer music on it.
Best point for Drama and reason enough to vote Drama over Duke
hahaha..... to pull THAT music out of that kind of group crisis....
another clue, if needed for why Yes was head and shoulders above most prog
groups. 
as far as Horn being a 'poor-mans Jon Anderson' have you actually
listened to the vocals.... what you are hearing are mainly the
trademark Yes harmonies of Squire, Howe, and Horn. You could put
me in there and that album would vocally sound like a classic 70's Yes
album.
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Posted: February 14 2006 at 21:26 |
Sean Trane wrote:
In all cases: Duke, Drama, Tormato and ATTWT should not exceed 3 stars IMHO, max 3,5 stars |
out of curiousity what would you dock Drama 2 stars for....
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Viajero Astral
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Posted: February 14 2006 at 20:44 |
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DRAMA by far, Duke is a bad progresive album (the last Genesis prog album IMO).
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Posted: February 14 2006 at 18:44 |
Oups ! I think it's the first time I vote for Yes in a "Genesis vs Yes" poll !
I really like Drama, no weak song, great album IMHO.
I like Duke too, but 'Misunderstanding', 'Alone tonight' & 'Please don't ask' are just below average
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Posted: February 14 2006 at 18:31 |
hcnoer wrote:
Drama by a mile. Drama is underrated, parts of Duke is "good" other parts are awfull. |
Hmm intersting what do you like about Drama?
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Posted: February 14 2006 at 11:06 |
I agree - both excellent transitional albums.
Of the two, I choose Duke.
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Posted: February 14 2006 at 11:00 |
Drama by a mile. Drama is underrated, parts of Duke is "good" other parts are awfull.
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linchpinc
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Posted: February 14 2006 at 07:39 |
Sean Trane wrote:
Tough choice but I think both are still correct at best
If I have to choose, Ill go with Drama (no stinkers such as Misunderstanding and Turn It Off Again)
Your two polls taking parallels between Yes and Genesis relatively cool , because it shows that both bands were going through rough times around then.
Both made albums that were greatly deceiving back then for purists, but with what lays ahead in the 80's  , progheads are not as vehement today , towards those four albums as they were back then.
What was regarded as high treason for me (I felt this much stronger for Genesis than Yes - but I was never that much of a Yesman , anyway) are now regarded as transition albums and tolerated even sometimes greatly embellished by forgiving fanboys.
In all cases: Duke, Drama, Tormato and ATTWT should not exceed 3 stars IMHO, max 3,5 stars |
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Posted: February 14 2006 at 07:13 |
Tough choice but I think both are still correct at best
If I have to choose, Ill go with Drama (no stinkers such as Misunderstanding and Turn It Off Again)
Your two polls taking parallels between Yes and Genesis relatively cool, because it shows that both bands were going through rough times around then.
Both made albums that were greatly deceiving back then for purists, but with what lays ahead in the 80's , progheads are not as vehement today , towards those four albums as they were back then.
What was regarded as high treason for me (I felt this much stronger for Genesis than Yes - but I was never that much of a Yesman, anyway) are now regarded as transition albums and tolerated even sometimes greatly embellished by forgiving fanboys.
In all cases: Duke, Drama, Tormato and ATTWT should not exceed 3 stars IMHO, max 3,5 stars
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Blacksword
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Posted: February 14 2006 at 07:08 |
...by a Squonks whisker
Drama is a great album too!
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Ultimately bored by endless ecstasy!
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Posted: February 13 2006 at 21:08 |
John Gargo wrote:
Duke for me... such a splendid album... immaculately produced, stellar songwriting, and Genesis' final masterpiece. Abacab had too much filler (but what an incredible title track), Genesis was too simplistic (albeit catchy), and Invisible Touch was too uneven (but still half great). I am definitely not one of those people who think Genesis ended with Hackett's departure, and I own all of their albums (aside from Calling All Stations), but in my opinion Duke is in many respects the last hurrah for the band. Never again would they release such a complete album statement and in my opinion, it even tops a few of their earlier albums (heresy, I know, but it's my opinion).
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couldn't have said it better myself
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Mongo
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Posted: February 13 2006 at 20:06 |
Drama never made the transition to cd for me.
Duke!
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Posted: February 13 2006 at 17:19 |
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Can't really decide. Both equally as good.
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Posted: February 13 2006 at 16:56 |
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Duke, its the zenith of 80s Genesis
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Posted: February 13 2006 at 16:49 |
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Drama is a very good album. Duke has only two good songs, the rest is very poor compared to what Genesis could do.
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Posted: February 13 2006 at 16:33 |
Ooo, this is one of those tricky polls! I like Genesis much better than Yes, but as to those two albums, I choose Drama. That hits somewhat of a high period for Yes, and lower period for Genesis.
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Posted: February 13 2006 at 16:31 |
I don't like Drama very much. One of my least favourite Yes-albums.
Duke is a very good Genesis record, though. Lots of classic tracks and innvative and energetic playing, and very emotional.
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dralan
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Posted: February 13 2006 at 16:19 |
Both are decent albums, but neither are Yes or Genesis at the top of their game. I chose Duke. Besides "Misunderstanding" and "Turn it On Again", it still has all the trademark classic Genesis schtick, tho you can kind of hear in hindsight they were ready to move on to other things (i.e. top 40 radio), its not as inspired as some of their earlier stuff.
"Drama" has some killer music on it but Trevor Horn comes off like a poor-mans Jon Anderson, and the band was having major personnel and artistic issues at the time, so Id rate it just average.
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Posted: February 13 2006 at 16:11 |
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I think Drama is much better. The songwriting is much closer to the older Yes, rather than the new Genesis line-up's writing resembling nothing of their past.
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