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Poll Question: If a band like Tool is considered prog, should a band like Zeppelin be
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    Posted: December 19 2005 at 05:02
yeah I don't listen to any monotone bands;). I'm a young guy and there is more prog to explore from the 70s. I don't rate tool much. I have yet to find any modern band I rate. There are many better bands. I've been getting into Devo lately. Their album Freedom of choice excellent and has more good songs than tool ever did

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Originally posted by gentletull gentletull wrote:

Nah I just hate those vocals all together :). Tool are very monotone and they lack many key ingrediants of a great prog band. When it comes to heavy rock/metal. I'm more than happy with old sabbath, deep purple, rush and zeppelin. These 4 bands are closer to prog than tool

You know that there's an entire prog genre that is much more monotone than Tool (Post Rock)?
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Points: 21328 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 19 2005 at 04:49

Originally posted by king volta king volta wrote:

another question that bugs me: why do tool fans think that everyone that doesn't like them is illiterate and stupid and has no life? Why do Tool obsessives think that only the true fans understand Tool. That's completely bollocks. Everyone has an opinion, and no one is stupider for believeing one thing over another.  while this probably belongs in another thread, i'd like an answer from the progtoligist if you do not mind. (btw i don't dislike you at all or anything even if you hate me, but you overreacted on a very undignified level).

Tool are clearly different from Led Zeppelin. If you don't see that, that's your problem. Go read one of the million thread where people give reasons ... don't alienate them here by demanding that they spell it out for you once more. Your problem, not ours. 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 19 2005 at 04:17
Nah I just hate those vocals all together :). Tool are very monotone and they lack many key ingrediants of a great prog band. When it comes to heavy rock/metal. I'm more than happy with old sabbath, deep purple, rush and zeppelin. These 4 bands are closer to prog than tool
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Originally posted by gentletull gentletull wrote:

My friend lent me his 5 tool albums and I though 3/4 of the songs just sounded like modern rubbish . The vocals reminded me of bands like Nickleback and Offspring, even though some of the music was obviously better. But as an overall band, I was bored apart from the drumming and the occasional odd time signatures.  From Radiohead, I liked the bends a fair bit, but the other albums were very patchy to me.

See, that's the problem - IMO it's Maynard J. Keenan (Tool's singer) who must have influenced these guys, not the other way around. Now because the vocal style (in a very general sense) has been popularised in such a bad musical context, you can't really enjoy it in the context of Tool. I listened to Tool before I heard Offspring and Nickelback, so I'm free of such unpleasant associations. 



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 19 2005 at 02:47
My friend lent me his 5 tool albums and I though 3/4 of the songs just sounded like modern rubbish . The vocals reminded me of bands like Nickleback and Offspring, even though some of the music was obviously better. But as an overall band, I was bored apart from the drumming and the occasional odd time signatures.  From Radiohead, I liked the bends a fair bit, but the other albums were very patchy to me.

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If Tool is prog, then prog must be Tool.

But then prog is also Radiohead.

How can prog be Tool and Radiohead at the same time?

Boy, am I sleepy, so Sleepy must be me.

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OK, the silliness aside, the term 'prog' IMO doesn't have anything to do with progressiveness (anymore), so it doesn't have anything to do with quality, either (no disrespect to Tool, LZ, Radiohead or TMV fans implied - I like all four bands almost equally).

 

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Points: 1485 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 19 2005 at 00:39
Well IMO (to the tool to mars volta comparison) TMV is more "progressive"
IMO because they are trying something completely new. Though Tool does
have their own sound they are not pushing the boundaries of music as much
as TMV. Tool is a great prog metal band though and their albums are very
well written from what I've heard.
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Uh oh...I might have opened Pandora's box...Next will get someone asking "Are Black Sabbath prog?"
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Originally posted by ridejewel ridejewel wrote:

The last few times I saw Tool live, they were opened by King Crimson and Mars Volta....Would prog bands open for non-prog bands? I mean, wouldnt you think that certain genres would stick together? Though, of course, I have seen some seriously clashing bands play together, but, come on, it's Tool, not The Rolling Stones.  Why are we talking about Tool? Isnt Rush the only true prog band?

Actually, Gentle Giant opened for Black Sabbath in '72, I think.  I have a bootleg of this show, and it's classic.  A rude Sabbath fan throws a cherry bomb on stage during GG's performance, and GG blow up (no pun intended ) at the audience.  Then they start speaking condescendingly like "Percussion -- that's drums for those of you who don't know."  It's great, anyway I digress...
Tool are prog, Zeppelin are not, but I think we all need to chill out.  This is just a discussion!


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^um...no...rush is defiantely NOT the only prog band...once this topic dies...if it ever does...i'm going to re-pose this question under a better premis. Just wait. Let it die.
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The last few times I saw Tool live, they were opened by King Crimson and Mars Volta....Would prog bands open for non-prog bands? I mean, wouldnt you think that certain genres would stick together? Though, of course, I have seen some seriously clashing bands play together, but, come on, it's Tool, not The Rolling Stones.  Why are we talking about Tool? Isnt Rush the only true prog band?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 16 2005 at 08:29

If tool are prog, they would have to be the worst prog band I've ever heard



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Tool are prog, look at it the simple way, if Tool definitely weren't prog, why would people start saying they were prog in the first place!?
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No dam*it TOOL isn't progressive so please Prtologist STFU!!!!

Just kiddin' I love Tool.  

I always hated those who claimed tool isn't prog just because they didnt like them but here I dont think thats the case. KV only tries to say that in his opinion Led Zep should be here because they had as many/more prog moments as/than tool....(dont agree with that)

IMO yes Zeppelin are prog related but also the fathers of Hard Rock and what was latter called Metal. In my mind Led Zep isn't another proto-prog band (even if it also was) but THE BIGGEST ROCK BAND EVER. However I dont have a problem of having them here so in conclusion I dont see the point of this thread.
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If Zeppelin's material as a whole were more like "Achilles Last Stand," I would consider them to be progressive, and I would also consider them one of my favorite bands. I love that song so much. As whole, no, they are not progressive, although they were quite innovative and influential. Perhaps we could deem them "proto-prog."

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okay from me nothign else in this thread will be said or directed to the progtologist, who is a very educated person adn is entitled to his own opinion. i'd like the same to go from everyone else. i'm beginning to think that i should've named the thread and based on: "If Deep Purple is prog...". Not only would it have made much more sense in comparison but it also would've prevented this wondeful sidetrack from occuring. i alopigize to everyone in this thread and to the progtoligist.
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Points: 1455 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 13 2005 at 23:34
And that's fine, although i never disliked you...it's funny how the person who greeted me first with biased opinions in my very first thread turns out to be the one who hates me first...but whatever works. By all means, please quit ruinig this thread...by the way i edited this post because of a friend who pointed out to me that i had said something i claimed i hadn't...i changed it because i realzied what i said was obiviously getting in the way of the point of the thread...plus if you read the whole first post origionally and edited (they are both in the tread) you will see that i did say that tool belongs in the archives even if i don't personally think they are a progressive band. please don't hate me if you feel like you should for i don not hate you based on your opinion. but if you do that's another opinion of yours, and let the thread commence.
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