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    Posted: December 09 2005 at 13:06
Peart every time. The best drummer alive!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 09 2005 at 12:59
Haven't Heard much of Portnoy's drumming (aren't I lucky!) so voted for Neil.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 09 2005 at 12:45

For me, Peart is a great, very great drummer and he never try to amaze us, he play on a group called Rush with 2 guys.  Portnoy is a great drummer too but, everytime i listen to him, i always the feeling that he try to steal de show.  Peart have make his place among the greatest.  Portnoy shall learn to play as a drummer, member of a band (More than one in his case) and not ā drummer who always try to amaze us.  If he can play the way he do in Liquid Tension Experiment..... Maybe my vote will be change.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 09 2005 at 07:49
Choosing for Peart comes very natural to me
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 09 2005 at 07:49
Originally posted by Xymphony Xymphony wrote:

Portnoy is a good drummer, no more...

 

Peart is a pioneer.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 09 2005 at 07:38
I like Portnoy's drumming very much but I'm on the opinion that Neil Peart is a much more balanced drummer that's why I prefer him over Portnoy.  Without Peart's influence, perhaps Portnoy's drumming woundn't be the way we now hear it.  This comparison seems similar to Chopin being compared to Bach; they're not exactly contemporaries with each other since Peart was there first so it's a bit hard to compare who's drum work is better. 

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 09 2005 at 06:51
Originally posted by StyLaZyn StyLaZyn wrote:

Originally posted by sularetal sularetal wrote:

In my opinion both drummers are OVERESTIMATED. Just listen to me before start throwing rocks.

The thing that every kid around 14-17 who plays drums think he's the drum god (and second Joey Jordinson) . Well he is really good both technically musicaly. He is also very creative and generaly a drum genious but I assure you he's not a drum god. I personaly dont like him so much cause his sound seems to flat for me, it doesnt have the depth I would like to hear from a drum kit. Moreover I dont like the drum parts on DT songs (havent heard what he does away from them). For some reason they seem a bit mechanic to me.



Every kid in that age bracket is probably listening to Travis Barker of Blink182 or Danny Cary of Tool.  If they are even introduced to Prog, it's a blessing.

I have to say Danny Carey sounds better for me but surely not one of the best. I prefer drummers like Steve Gadd and Dennis Chambers.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 08 2005 at 21:17
Originally posted by sularetal sularetal wrote:

In my opinion both drummers are OVERESTIMATED. Just listen to me before start throwing rocks.

The thing that every kid around 14-17 who plays drums think he's the drum god (and second Joey Jordinson) . Well he is really good both technically musicaly. He is also very creative and generaly a drum genious but I assure you he's not a drum god. I personaly dont like him so much cause his sound seems to flat for me, it doesnt have the depth I would like to hear from a drum kit. Moreover I dont like the drum parts on DT songs (havent heard what he does away from them). For some reason they seem a bit mechanic to me.



Every kid in that age bracket is probably listening to Travis Barker of Blink182 or Danny Cary of Tool.  If they are even introduced to Prog, it's a blessing.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 08 2005 at 18:20

I wouldn't dream (no pun intended) of taking anything away from Mike Portnoy for his drumming which is simply unbelievable.

I must however give the nod to Neil Peart. Just read/listen to his lyrics. Add that to his ability to play a mean set of drums & you have the hands-down winner.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 08 2005 at 17:10
Both are amazing.  I give the edge to Peart based in part on his influence on other muscicians.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 08 2005 at 15:35
Neil Peart is just not that great at all. Mike Portnoy on the other hand, is awesome.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 08 2005 at 09:07
Originally posted by sularetal sularetal wrote:

Originally posted by Pirce Pirce wrote:

How many of you here are actually drummers? Not many I believe. You all seem to think MP is just a showoff technical speedfreak and nothing compared to NP.....Heīs not....I know a dozen more technical drummers out there :

 Virgil Donati, Mike Mangini, Thomas Lang, Johnny Rabb........

I did lessons with Thomas Lang and his a technique freak!!!! He could play for example 5 with his feet by doing a paraddidle RLRR LRLL and 9 on his hands spreading them on the toms all at once!!!

However I must agree with you. I don't like his drumming much.

Mike Portnoy has said it himself, heīs not a drumsolo type of drummer, not like NP. Mike Portnoy always serves the song and if he plays technically, then itīs what HE thinks is right for the song. I personally like MP better and I personally (being a drummer) KNOW that MP plays better, faster and definitely more musically than Neil Peart.Nuff said.

Then he must really "think its right for the song" to twirl his sticks!!! Buy the Neil Peart's DVD "A work in progress". You'll see he very carefully decides what suits better on every song. what "he thinks is right for the song". That's what he's good at (he really is the master) but when it comes to improvisation.... So I am saying that what you say is bull*hit cause NP is definately not a drumsolo type of drummer! Oh and listen to YZZ. I think what he tries there is not to make a drum solo but to make music with his drums.

By the way MP has never said, he thinks NP is better than him.

You arent in a position to say that. If he had how would you hnow?

Conclusion both are amazing drummers but open your ears. There are even better ones out there!!!

"....to twirl his sticks". I think he does it for the "show". And because he has propably played every DT song a billion times and is a bit bored. So whatīs the big deal anyway? Stick twirling is a classic, and MP even takes it to the next stage by also throwing his sticks high in to the air amids the playing...

"NP is definately not a drumsolo type of drummer!" Not? He does do a lot of drumsoloīs does he not? He carefully constructs his solos and makeīs them sound like real songs....That is my conception of drumsolo type of drummers.

"You arent in a position to say that. If he had how would you hnow?" Youīre right I cant confidently know that. Maybe thatīs what he wouldīve said younger in the I&W period. That time he was very honored to be called the next NP. But as the years passed he became more experienced and respected, and grew tired of the NP comparisons. And nowadays I think they are completely different kind of drummers. He has even lost some of his respect towards NP due to the way NP treats his fans. Fans are really important to MP and Dream Theater.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 08 2005 at 05:13
It must be Groundhog Day! I log onto the web-site, I vote in a poll about Peart v Portnoy, I log off, then I log on again, I vote in a poll about Peart v Portnoy.....
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 08 2005 at 04:35
Closed the other peart vs portnoy thread ... vote here please
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 07 2005 at 16:12
Originally posted by Pirce Pirce wrote:

How many of you here are actually drummers? Not many I believe. You all seem to think MP is just a showoff technical speedfreak and nothing compared to NP.....Heīs not....I know a dozen more technical drummers out there :

 Virgil Donati, Mike Mangini, Thomas Lang, Johnny Rabb........

I did lessons with Thomas Lang and his a technique freak!!!! He could play for example 5 with his feet by doing a paraddidle RLRR LRLL and 9 on his hands spreading them on the toms all at once!!!

However I must agree with you. I don't like his drumming much.

Mike Portnoy has said it himself, heīs not a drumsolo type of drummer, not like NP. Mike Portnoy always serves the song and if he plays technically, then itīs what HE thinks is right for the song. I personally like MP better and I personally (being a drummer) KNOW that MP plays better, faster and definitely more musically than Neil Peart.Nuff said.

Then he must really "think its right for the song" to twirl his sticks!!! Buy the Neil Peart's DVD "A work in progress". You'll see he very carefully decides what suits better on every song. what "he thinks is right for the song". That's what he's good at (he really is the master) but when it comes to improvisation.... So I am saying that what you say is bull*hit cause NP is definately not a drumsolo type of drummer! Oh and listen to YZZ. I think what he tries there is not to make a drum solo but to make music with his drums.

By the way MP has never said, he thinks NP is better than him.

You arent in a position to say that. If he had how would you hnow?

Conclusion both are amazing drummers but open your ears. There are even better ones out there!!!

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 07 2005 at 14:49

How many of you here are actually drummers? Not many I believe. You all seem to think MP is just a showoff technical speedfreak and nothing compared to NP.....Heīs not....I know a dozen more technical drummers out there :

 Virgil Donati, Mike Mangini, Thomas Lang, Johnny Rabb........

Mike Portnoy has said it himself, heīs not a drumsolo type of drummer, not like NP. Mike Portnoy always serves the song and if he plays technically, then itīs what HE thinks is right for the song. I personally like MP better and I personally (being a drummer) KNOW that MP plays better, faster and definitely more musically than Neil Peart.Nuff said.

By the way MP has never said, he thinks NP is better than him.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 07 2005 at 13:02
This is NOT an age-old question.  The answer is simple.  Peart!  Peart has, no doubt, influenced many a drummer, prog or no.  Peart, IMO, tends to play with the song in mind.  The techinical flash that he uses is used sparingly, as on VAPOR TRAILS.  That's one thing I've always admired about him.  He's not afraid to change up his timekeeping, go hard or subtle, etc.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 07 2005 at 11:15

In my opinion both drummers are OVERESTIMATED. Just listen to me before start throwing rocks.

The thing that every kid around 14-17 who plays drums think he's the drum god (and second Joey Jordinson) . Well he is really good both technically musicaly. He is also very creative and generaly a drum genious but I assure you he's not a drum god. I personaly dont like him so much cause his sound seems to flat for me, it doesnt have the depth I would like to hear from a drum kit. Moreover I dont like the drum parts on DT songs (havent heard what he does away from them). For some reason they seem a bit mechanic to me.

Neil Peart on the other hand sounds better to me. Really like the drum parts on Rush (they are extreamly carefully selected) and also I feel pitty for his family and what this man has been through BUT I dont like the fact that when for example he does a drum solo in a concert he has first written the pieces down and played it again and again and to me the word music there misses its value cause you prefer to play something that will sound cooler and be very comlex instead of playing what you really feel at the time...

Thats my opinion......

So I'll vote for peart

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 07 2005 at 10:43

Originally posted by Cygnus Cygnus wrote:

I can see that most of us think that Peart is better. How do they have the same number of votes then?

Some people vote without making a comment. I voted Portnoy yesterday but have only just commented!

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 07 2005 at 09:59
I can see that most of us think that Peart is better. How do they have the same number of votes then?
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