Peart or Portnoy?
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Topic: Peart or Portnoy?
Posted By: Pirce
Subject: Peart or Portnoy?
Date Posted: December 05 2005 at 16:46
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So here´s a big question. IMO it´s mister Portnoy... They are very similar though: Both very technical Both very creative Both are geniuses But Portnoy is WAY cooler!! I myself got into drumming because of MP and I still adore him. I even had the honor of meeting him (I shook his mighty hand and got his autograph |
) couple of months ago. He´s my hero and allways will be. I know Portnoy has gotten heavily influence of Peart, and many people still consider Mike as Peart´s sort of follower. But I think MP has gotten over that phase, and is now even better than NP. IMO 
. Tell me what you think.Replies:
Posted By: aapatsos
Date Posted: December 05 2005 at 16:51
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Peart, he is older 
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Posted By: foxman
Date Posted: December 05 2005 at 17:00
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Peart is a master. I like Portnoy, but I hold Peart above all others behind his Drums. ------------- "To seek the sacred river Alph, To walk the caves of ice, To break my fast on honey dew, And drink the milk of paradise..." |
Posted By: StyLaZyn
Date Posted: December 05 2005 at 17:00
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Without Peart, I daresay there would be no Portnoy. I admire both musicians heavily. Portnoy is much flashier, but the depth of Peart's lyrics is no match to Portnoy's attempts. The reality? They are islands to each other.
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Posted By: Xymphony
Date Posted: December 05 2005 at 17:41
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Portnoy is a good drummer, no more...
Peart is a pioneer. |
Posted By: raindance
Date Posted: December 05 2005 at 18:05
| I voted for Portnoy. I think he can adopt to different styles and rythms, whether metal, ballads, complexity ect. I think Peart is sometimes too predictable and dosn't flow as well as Portnoy! |
Posted By: StyLaZyn
Date Posted: December 05 2005 at 19:39
Couldn't agree more. -------------
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Xymphony wrote:Posted By: raindance
Date Posted: December 05 2005 at 19:42
| To hear Portnoy's best work you have to listen to his stuff outside of Dream Theater IMHO! |
Posted By: The Miracle
Date Posted: December 05 2005 at 19:45
I like Portnoy more ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/ocellatedgod" rel="nofollow - last.fm |
Posted By: zachfive
Date Posted: December 05 2005 at 21:05
You made me pull out Permanent Waves and listen to that dam song. |
Posted By: Bt-Tor
Date Posted: December 05 2005 at 21:23
| Reminds of the same comparison between Lifeson and Petrucci. I think Portnoy may be technically superior to Peart however, Peart is much smoother and has a better ear for the music. He manages to creates a smoothness to odd-time signatures of Lifeson and Lee's writing approach. Peart truly brings them together. Whereas Portnoy is flashy and has all the moves but he sometimes sounds a bit clunky, like he's biting off more than he can chew. But again I still really enjoy Portnoy's work just a little too complicated then it seems necessary sometimes... Peart seems to have a more balanced stance on subtlety and bombast. |
Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: December 05 2005 at 21:33
| I chose Petrucci in the other poll, but I'll take Peart here. |
Posted By: TheProgtologist
Date Posted: December 05 2005 at 21:35
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I admire Portnoy but...... No one beats The Professor!!!!!!!!!! -------------  |
Posted By: Catholic Flame
Date Posted: December 05 2005 at 21:50
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Peart
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Posted By: Drew
Date Posted: December 05 2005 at 23:35
Right on Portnoy goets all of his inspiration form.................Peart |
Posted By: Norbert
Date Posted: December 06 2005 at 02:35
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Posted By: Pirce
Date Posted: December 06 2005 at 04:31
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Somehow I knew this was coming.....Just dont vote for NP because his older and more "experienced". Listen to Portnoy´s "Duel with the Devil" from the second Transatlantic album. And then you´ll see who´s smoother and has a better ear for music!! Portnoy´s just better both technically and MUSICALLY!IMHO. And believe me I know, because I have listened MP every recording a thousand times.... |
Posted By: iguana
Date Posted: December 06 2005 at 04:36
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neal "the professor" peart (does anyone remember
that his initial nickname with lerxst and dirk used to be "pratt"?) by a lightyear. both may be equally skilled on the drumkit as of now, however, put them up against each other (admittedly a GHASTLY thought) and portnoy still looks like an over-motivated and eagerly-fidgety upstart. sorry mike – good on yer' anyway, VERY MUCH looking forward to OSI2! |
Posted By: Cygnus
Date Posted: December 06 2005 at 06:28
| Mike is as skilled as Peart I think(ok maybe Neil is a litle bit better) but he doesn't have this musicality in his playing. For example a drumm solo from Neil Peart is a part of music, a drumm solo from Portnoy is very fast and skilled drumming. |
Posted By: ANDREW
Date Posted: December 06 2005 at 06:41
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Posted By: Bj-1
Date Posted: December 06 2005 at 07:54
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Portnoy is better technically, but Peart is fantastic too (and he writes MUCH better lyrics) ------------- RIO/AVANT/ZEUHL - The best thing you can get with yer pants on! |
Posted By: StyLaZyn
Date Posted: December 06 2005 at 09:08
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Funny you should mention drum solo. I was just thinking about the comparison last night and I realized that Peart crafts his solos. Portnoy's solos, at least what I heard, seem more random and chaotic. At the end of a Peart solo, I feel like I just listened to a song. But based on what I know about him, it is no surprise. He is a very well though out, complete thinker and I have never known him to do anything half-assed. Even the song New World Man, which was just throw together to fill album space (heard this on an old Rush radio interview) has decent drums parts. -------------
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Posted By: TheLamb
Date Posted: December 06 2005 at 11:40
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I vote Portnoy even though I like Peart aswel. I feel Portnoy is more a active part in the music he plays and I find he communicates better with the rest of the instruments. Peart on the other hand does this alot less and he is more about extreeme technical flawlessness. ------------- 
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Posted By: Uther Pendragon
Date Posted: December 06 2005 at 14:11
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I'm a fan of Dream Theater but I must admit that I think Portnoy is
just basing his syle on Peart. This can be clearly seen in the drum
solo in the Live At Budokan dvd, where the solo just sounds like a bad
version of Neil Peart's'Rythmn Method'. ------------- "And so as I patrol in the valley of the shadow of the tricolour I must fear evil for I am but mortal and mortals can only die." |
Posted By: Jezz
Date Posted: December 06 2005 at 15:12
| MP is very cool but i do like the drum solo for yyz |
Posted By: Tommy
Date Posted: December 06 2005 at 18:55
| I used to think Peart was the new Bruford or Palmer up until Moving Pictures but nothing since has impressed me. I voted Portnoy! |
Posted By: Pirce
Date Posted: December 07 2005 at 07:24
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Jeah!MP takes the lead! |
...He´s da man!Posted By: Deliriumist
Date Posted: December 07 2005 at 09:31
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I belive I've never heard of mr. Portnoy (maybe someone could mention a band in one of the next posts) Do fancy Peart though. |
Posted By: misiu
Date Posted: December 07 2005 at 09:41
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Guys are you kidding with this poll ??? Portnoy's drumming patterns are largely inspired by those of Neal Peart. There is no drummer as inventive, technical and fast as Peart ... and even Portnoy recognizes that Peart is better ... ;-) |
Posted By: Cygnus
Date Posted: December 07 2005 at 09:59
I can see that most of us think that Peart is better. How do they have the same number of votes then?
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Posted By: raindance
Date Posted: December 07 2005 at 10:43
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Some people vote without making a comment. I voted Portnoy yesterday but have only just commented! |
Posted By: sularetal
Date Posted: December 07 2005 at 11:15
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In my opinion both drummers are OVERESTIMATED. Just listen to me before start throwing rocks. The thing that every kid around 14-17 who plays drums think he's the drum god (and second Joey Jordinson) Neil Peart on the other hand sounds better to me. Really like the drum parts on Rush (they are extreamly carefully selected) and also I feel pitty for his family and what this man has been through BUT I dont like the fact that when for example he does a drum solo in a concert he has first written the pieces down and played it again and again and to me the word music there misses its value cause you prefer to play something that will sound cooler and be very comlex instead of playing what you really feel at the time... Thats my opinion...... So I'll vote for peart ------------- 
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. Well he is really good both technically musicaly. He is also very creative and generaly a drum genious but I assure you he's not a drum god. I personaly dont like him so much cause his sound seems to flat for me, it doesnt have the depth I would like to hear from a drum kit. Moreover I dont like the drum parts on DT songs (havent heard what he does away from them). For some reason they seem a bit mechanic to me.Posted By: sbrushfan
Date Posted: December 07 2005 at 13:02
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This is NOT an age-old question. The answer is simple. Peart! Peart has, no doubt, influenced many a drummer, prog or no. Peart, IMO, tends to play with the song in mind. The techinical flash that he uses is used sparingly, as on VAPOR TRAILS. That's one thing I've always admired about him. He's not afraid to change up his timekeeping, go hard or subtle, etc. ------------- Some world views are spacious, and some are merely spaced... |
Posted By: Pirce
Date Posted: December 07 2005 at 14:49
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How many of you here are actually drummers? Not many I believe. You all seem to think MP is just a showoff technical speedfreak and nothing compared to NP.....He´s not....I know a dozen more technical drummers out there : Virgil Donati, Mike Mangini, Thomas Lang, Johnny Rabb........ Mike Portnoy has said it himself, he´s not a drumsolo type of drummer, not like NP. Mike Portnoy always serves the song and if he plays technically, then it´s what HE thinks is right for the song. I personally like MP better and I personally (being a drummer) KNOW that MP plays better, faster and definitely more musically than Neil Peart.Nuff said. By the way MP has never said, he thinks NP is better than him. |
Posted By: sularetal
Date Posted: December 07 2005 at 16:12
Conclusion both are amazing drummers but open your ears. There are even better ones out there!!! -------------
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Posted By: Trotsky
Date Posted: December 08 2005 at 04:35
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Closed the other peart vs portnoy thread ... vote here please ------------- "Death to Utopia! Death to faith! Death to love! Death to hope?" thunders the 20th century. "Surrender, you pathetic dreamer.” "No" replies the unhumbled optimist "You are only the present." |
Posted By: Phil
Date Posted: December 08 2005 at 05:13
It must be Groundhog Day! I log onto the web-site, I vote in a poll
about Peart v Portnoy, I log off, then I log on again, I vote in a poll
about Peart v Portnoy.....
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Posted By: Pirce
Date Posted: December 08 2005 at 09:07
"....to twirl his sticks". I think he does it for the "show". And because he has propably played every DT song a billion times and is a bit bored. So what´s the big deal anyway? Stick twirling is a classic, and MP even takes it to the next stage by also throwing his sticks high in to the air amids the playing... "NP is definately not a drumsolo type of drummer!" Not? He does do a lot of drumsolo´s does he not? "You arent in a position to say that. If he had how would you hnow?" You´re right I cant confidently know that. Maybe that´s what he would´ve said younger in the I&W period. That time he was very honored to be called the next NP. But as the years passed he became more experienced and respected, and grew tired of the NP comparisons. And nowadays I think they are completely different kind of drummers. He has even lost some of his respect towards NP due to the way NP treats his fans. Fans are really important to MP and Dream Theater. |
He carefully constructs his solos and make´s them sound like real songs....That is my conception of drumsolo type of drummers.Posted By: Peace Frog
Date Posted: December 08 2005 at 15:35
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Neil Peart is just not that great at all. Mike Portnoy on the other hand, is awesome. ------------- http://imageshack.us"> 
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Posted By: AtlantaCatFan
Date Posted: December 08 2005 at 17:10
| Both are amazing. I give the edge to Peart based in part on his influence on other muscicians. |
Posted By: A'swepe
Date Posted: December 08 2005 at 18:20
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I wouldn't dream (no pun intended) of taking anything away from Mike Portnoy for his drumming which is simply unbelievable. I must however give the nod to Neil Peart. Just read/listen to his lyrics. Add that to his ability to play a mean set of drums & you have the hands-down winner. ------------- David - Never doubt in the dark that which you believe to be true in the light. http://www.myspace.com/aardvarktxusa - Instrumental rock http://www.soundclick.com/aardvarktxusa |
Posted By: StyLaZyn
Date Posted: December 08 2005 at 21:17
Every kid in that age bracket is probably listening to Travis Barker of Blink182 or Danny Cary of Tool. If they are even introduced to Prog, it's a blessing. -------------
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Posted By: sularetal
Date Posted: December 09 2005 at 06:51
I have to say Danny Carey sounds better for me but surely not one of the best. I prefer drummers like Steve Gadd and Dennis Chambers. -------------
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Posted By: chromaticism
Date Posted: December 09 2005 at 07:38
| I like Portnoy's drumming very much but I'm on the opinion that Neil Peart is a much more balanced drummer that's why I prefer him over Portnoy. Without Peart's influence, perhaps Portnoy's drumming woundn't be the way we now hear it. This comparison seems similar to Chopin being compared to Bach; they're not exactly contemporaries with each other since Peart was there first so it's a bit hard to compare who's drum work is better. |
Posted By: JayDee
Date Posted: December 09 2005 at 07:49
well said! ------------- 
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Posted By: thefalafelking
Date Posted: December 09 2005 at 07:49
| Choosing for Peart comes very natural to me |
Posted By: Snowman
Date Posted: December 09 2005 at 12:45
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For me, Peart is a great, very great drummer and he never try to amaze us, he play on a group called Rush with 2 guys. Portnoy is a great drummer too but, everytime i listen to him, i always the feeling that he try to steal de show. Peart have make his place among the greatest. Portnoy shall learn to play as a drummer, member of a band (More than one in his case) and not à drummer who always try to amaze us. If he can play the way he do in Liquid Tension Experiment..... Maybe my vote will be change. |
Posted By: widjum
Date Posted: December 09 2005 at 12:59
| Haven't Heard much of Portnoy's drumming (aren't I lucky!) so voted for Neil. |
Posted By: Cygnus X-1
Date Posted: December 09 2005 at 13:06
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Peart every time. The best drummer alive! ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Bodins/?chartstyle=DarkSide5Big"> 
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