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    Posted: December 06 2005 at 21:36
Originally posted by MikeEnRegalia MikeEnRegalia wrote:

Originally posted by Radioactive Toy Radioactive Toy wrote:

Originally posted by nimrodel nimrodel wrote:

sonata arctica, katatonia, amorphis, cult of luna and iced earth aint prog...

 maybe they'll ever listen..

add nile to that list too by the way!

Although I don't make these decisions on my own, I think that it is safe to say that we will most likely NOT add Nile, Amorphis or Iced Earth. Katatonia have been added as Prog Related, and Sonata Arctica ... well, I can imagine them in Prog Related, but I don't think that we will add them.

I like Nile,Amorphis and Iced Earth alot but they are absolutely NOT prog.



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 06 2005 at 21:33

Originally posted by chamberry chamberry wrote:

well the album silence is kinda progressive-ish but im no quite sure if it could be in this site. we have bands that aren't really progressive  like kamelot (witch i like) in this site, so, do we really need bands like Iron Maiden or Sonata Arctica to be in this site just because they are more "progressive" than kamelot or nightwish or becuase they have some prog-ish sounds here and there? some people put these things like excuses to add bands.
 Maybe there are bands that should be in this site, but please, be very careful and picky about adding bands to the site.

my personal opinion. don't kill me

Iron Maiden was proposed for inclusion quite awhile ago.

They were REJECTED.

I am not on the band admissions team but I for one was AGAINST their inclusion.

 



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 06 2005 at 20:46
Originally posted by captainbeyond captainbeyond wrote:

I see that Cynic, Watchtower, Dillinger Escape Plan are all already in the archive. Along similar lines (although more modern and intense), perhaps you should include bands such as PsyOpus, Gorod and Deadsea, all of whom play not only highly technical death/grind-related music, but also music that is highly "prog" i.e. crazy time signatures, song structures, etc.


Much as I like tech death and much as I haven't heard those three bands, I think we have to be careful here as there are a lot of bands that fit under that stylistic boundary but remain without (so far as I can see) any prog elements - Cryptopsy, Origin, Wormed, Necrophagist... Gorguts are a bit closer I think, but I haven't listened to them all that much. I'll give a listen to these chaps you mention and see if I like, anyway
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 06 2005 at 20:30

Originally posted by horza horza wrote:

Coheed and Cambria !!!!!


ASAP please !!!


No!

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 06 2005 at 19:15
I don't know what progressive power metal is but after hearing that title it
made me think of "Avenged Sevenfold." I'm actually not sure if they're are
Progressive power metal but they very well could be (on their new album.)
Their new album is a concept album that's very interesting I like it a lot. The
two song clips they have on their site are not that good of examples are
their progressiveness. I would recommend "the Wicked End" or "Sidewinder",
two of my favorite tracks from the album.

Now I don't want anyone to think I'm just trying to include one of my favorite
bands. There just a really good band for their genre IMO.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 06 2005 at 18:57
Originally posted by MikeEnRegalia MikeEnRegalia wrote:

Originally posted by Radioactive Toy Radioactive Toy wrote:

Originally posted by nimrodel nimrodel wrote:

sonata arctica, katatonia, amorphis, cult of luna and iced earth aint prog...

 maybe they'll ever listen..

add nile to that list too by the way!

Although I don't make these decisions on my own, I think that it is safe to say that we will most likely NOT add Nile, Amorphis or Iced Earth. Katatonia have been added as Prog Related, and Sonata Arctica ... well, I can imagine them in Prog Related, but I don't think that we will add them.

I'm really interested what the label "prog related" is.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 06 2005 at 10:39
I know you guys already mentioned it, but Blind Guardian should be here in at least prog related. They have concept albums, epic songs, and a few crazy time signatures. It's starting to show in their 2 newest albums. All the ones before those weren't really prog, but were close.

Listen to the track And Then There Was Silence.

Prog/Power Metal. (Orchestral/Neoclassical)


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 06 2005 at 09:46
Originally posted by Radioactive Toy Radioactive Toy wrote:

Originally posted by nimrodel nimrodel wrote:

sonata arctica, katatonia, amorphis, cult of luna and iced earth aint prog...

 maybe they'll ever listen..

add nile to that list too by the way!

Although I don't make these decisions on my own, I think that it is safe to say that we will most likely NOT add Nile, Amorphis or Iced Earth. Katatonia have been added as Prog Related, and Sonata Arctica ... well, I can imagine them in Prog Related, but I don't think that we will add them.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 06 2005 at 09:15

I see that Cynic, Watchtower, Dillinger Escape Plan are all already in the archive. Along similar lines (although more modern and intense), perhaps you should include bands such as PsyOpus, Gorod and Deadsea, all of whom play not only highly technical death/grind-related music, but also music that is highly "prog" i.e. crazy time signatures, song structures, etc. Some might be turned off by the growly vocals but if we're going to consider Nile, these bands are (to my ears) more "prog." If you want blazingly mind-blowing technicality in your "extreme metal," I don't think any band tops Cryptopsy.

On a slightly different vibe, perhaps you should consider Don Caballero. Fascinating band that has gone through several iterations. They started as a complex, instrumental hard-core band and evolved into a "post-rock prog band" defined by very tricky, intertwining guitar lines (think early 80s Crimson) and fantastic drumming somewhere in between prog, hard rock and free jazz.

 

There are plenty more, but maybe start with these for consideration.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 06 2005 at 02:56

The only prog label i can think of for Stratovarius or Sonata Arctica is "regressive prog metal".

You might consider Necrophagist though (progressive technical death metal or whatever). I don't know if they're properly progressive as they dont venture too far beyond their stylistic boundaries , but they're quite impressive at what they do (esp. on their latest, sophomore album Epitaph). Maybe another album will tell. 

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 06 2005 at 02:07
Originally posted by nimrodel nimrodel wrote:

sonata arctica, katatonia, amorphis, cult of luna and iced earth aint prog...

 maybe they'll ever listen..

add nile to that list too by the way!


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 05 2005 at 14:32
Coheed and Cambria !!!!!


ASAP please !!!


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 05 2005 at 06:50
Originally posted by Vanwarp Vanwarp wrote:

Originally posted by aapatsos aapatsos wrote:

Ok, so Stratovarius is a power metal band definitely.

They have no prog elements at all...

I beg to differ.  Obviously, you haven't listened to the following tracks:  "Destiny" (10m16s), "Visions Southern Cross" (10m20s), "Infinity" (9m21s), "Fantasia" (9m56s), "Papillon" (7m01s), "Elements" (12m01s)...

Having said that, they would definitely fall under prog related as only one or two songs per album are progressively influenced...with the exception of the album Elements Part 1 which is very progressive in nature. 

Yay!!!!!!!, I love Infinite!!!!!


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 05 2005 at 06:14
Originally posted by Lindsay Lohan Lindsay Lohan wrote:

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Ah well i was just amazed that some bands where missing while those bands where included on the list...

If you think that some bands are missing - suggest them! I'll even add Iron Maiden to the list ...

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 05 2005 at 06:10

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Ah well i was just amazed that some bands where missing while those bands where included on the list...

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 05 2005 at 06:07
Originally posted by Lindsay Lohan Lindsay Lohan wrote:

Originally posted by MikeEnRegalia MikeEnRegalia wrote:

Originally posted by Lindsay Lohan Lindsay Lohan wrote:

Originally posted by MikeEnRegalia MikeEnRegalia wrote:

Originally posted by Lindsay Lohan Lindsay Lohan wrote:

Tsk tsk...Sonata artica, nightwish, iced earth, mastadon..tsk tsk..what about bringing out the band that is the origin for all this music

who said that we will add Sonata Arctica or Iced Earth?

They where proposed and they are on your list of POSSIBLE additons! I just wanted to point out that you where better off starting from the BEGINNING..

Well, I'll look for a better word than "possible" then ...

Why bother including them if you yourself do not belivie they should be included?

  1. I do not make this decision on my own.
  2. The policy is that I will add any band to the list of SUGGESTIONS which is associated with prog and metal in the widest possible sense.
  3. If the band is rejected, it will REMAIN in the list and marked "sorry, will not be added because ..." .
  4. This will prevent further requests to add the band (hopefully).
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 05 2005 at 06:01
Originally posted by MikeEnRegalia MikeEnRegalia wrote:

Originally posted by Lindsay Lohan Lindsay Lohan wrote:

Originally posted by MikeEnRegalia MikeEnRegalia wrote:

Originally posted by Lindsay Lohan Lindsay Lohan wrote:

Tsk tsk...Sonata artica, nightwish, iced earth, mastadon..tsk tsk..what about bringing out the band that is the origin for all this music

who said that we will add Sonata Arctica or Iced Earth?

They where proposed and they are on your list of POSSIBLE additons! I just wanted to point out that you where better off starting from the BEGINNING..

Well, I'll look for a better word than "possible" then ...

Why bother including them if you yourself do not belivie they should be included?

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 05 2005 at 05:57
Originally posted by Lindsay Lohan Lindsay Lohan wrote:

Originally posted by MikeEnRegalia MikeEnRegalia wrote:

Originally posted by Lindsay Lohan Lindsay Lohan wrote:

Tsk tsk...Sonata artica, nightwish, iced earth, mastadon..tsk tsk..what about bringing out the band that is the origin for all this music

who said that we will add Sonata Arctica or Iced Earth?

They where proposed and they are on your list of POSSIBLE additons! I just wanted to point out that you where better off starting from the BEGINNING..

Well, I'll look for a better word than "possible" then ...

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 05 2005 at 05:40
Originally posted by MikeEnRegalia MikeEnRegalia wrote:

Originally posted by Lindsay Lohan Lindsay Lohan wrote:

Tsk tsk...Sonata artica, nightwish, iced earth, mastadon..tsk tsk..what about bringing out the band that is the origin for all this music

who said that we will add Sonata Arctica or Iced Earth?

They where proposed and they are on your list of POSSIBLE additons! I just wanted to point out that you where better off starting from the BEGINNING..

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 05 2005 at 05:38

Originally posted by Lindsay Lohan Lindsay Lohan wrote:

Tsk tsk...Sonata artica, nightwish, iced earth, mastadon..tsk tsk..what about bringing out the band that is the origin for all this music

who said that we will add Sonata Arctica or Iced Earth?

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