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that is my understanding, all that is, Is God.  Existence itself, pure and simple, there is nothing else.  Non-existence, by definition, does not exist.
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^ Or the universe & natural world is God. In other words there is no God.
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Originally posted by Atavachron Atavachron wrote:

^ Which implies there is no 'God'.

If there is only consciousness, and only 1 consciousness, then God must have a  massive delusional multiple personality symptom. Confused


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^ Which implies there is no 'God'.
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Originally posted by progaardvark progaardvark wrote:

I read Barbour's book back when it came out. I remember it being a rather dry, difficult read. If I'm remembering it correctly, much of it had to do with Planck length (or maybe Planck time?) and the "nows" were separated by this. It's an interesting idea, but I sometimes wonder if this is just mathematics trying to find a different reality that may not actually be there. I never read Smolin's book.

Originally posted by Valdez Valdez wrote:

If consciousness (as we reckon it) didn't exist, then time wouldn't either.

That's a curious idea worthy of thinking about. It sort of reminds me a bit of Donald Hoffman's studies on this in which he considers consciousness as something fundamental in the universe and the physical world emerges from that. It's kind of hard to wrap my brain around that, but curious nonetheless.


Science boils down everything to just 2 components, energy and consciousness.  All matter is energy fluctuations. Matter is not solid or motionless. If matter is comprised of energy, then can energy be comprised of consciousness?  If so, the physical world emerges from it, along with the universe and anything in creation.  Tis all a dream..


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I have not read either of the 2 books, but they seem fascinating.  Both authors could be right in their own way.

 

Space and time are inseparable. The faster you travel through space, the slower you travel through time. This has been experimented with and demonstrated many times over.  Theoretically, if you can travel at the speed of light, time would essentially stop.  Does this mean that time does not really exist?

 

I think that it exists experientially but not in “reality”.  Similar to matter not being real, only existing experientially.  

 

“Reality is merely an illusion, albeit a very persistent one.”  - Alber Einstein

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Originally posted by wiz_d_kidd wiz_d_kidd wrote:

...then watch them in rapid sequence.

"Rapid sequence" is a time-dependent operation. You're using something that depends on time to define time.


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...then watch them in rapid sequence.

"Rapid sequence" is a time-dependent operation. You're using something that depends on time to define time.

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I read Barbour's book back when it came out. I remember it being a rather dry, difficult read. If I'm remembering it correctly, much of it had to do with Planck length (or maybe Planck time?) and the "nows" were separated by this. It's an interesting idea, but I sometimes wonder if this is just mathematics trying to find a different reality that may not actually be there. I never read Smolin's book.

Originally posted by Valdez Valdez wrote:

If consciousness (as we reckon it) didn't exist, then time wouldn't either.

That's a curious idea worthy of thinking about. It sort of reminds me a bit of Donald Hoffman's studies on this in which he considers consciousness as something fundamental in the universe and the physical world emerges from that. It's kind of hard to wrap my brain around that, but curious nonetheless.


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Originally posted by Atavachron Atavachron wrote:

Originally posted by Valdez Valdez wrote:

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Nice.   I smoked for years but had to stop due to a condition that causes terrible stomach pain & nausea called Cannabis Hyperemises.   I occasionally miss it but the cravings pass.   Now I just drink Scotch.



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Originally posted by Valdez Valdez wrote:

(Takes long hit off bong… cough cough)


Nice.   I smoked for years but had to stop due to a condition that causes terrible stomach pain & nausea called Cannabis Hyperemises.   I occasionally miss it but the cravings pass.   Now I just drink Scotch.

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I’m not really smoking weed at my age. Just kidding.   funny because I’m re-watching fringe right now and timelines are all messed up.

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Originally posted by Lewian Lewian wrote:

Originally posted by octopus-4 octopus-4 wrote:

 
The conclusion is that Everything may exist simultaneously.  


People seem to think that it's crystal clear what it means to "exist". I don't think that at all.

Also, I wonder whether "simultaneous" itself is a notion that relies on a concept of time?


I agree. The notion of simultaneousness would rely and depend on measurable time. Existence itself is a given even if we don’t fully understand the how and why.
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Originally posted by Atavachron Atavachron wrote:

^ Electricity is one of the most underappreciated energies, and may be responsible for much more than we think.


Yes… water as well. All life is born of it. Our atmosphere is water, we die without water, and we are basically water. It took billions of years for water to self actualize. Water is smart.!   Water is the closest thing to a God we have that we can actually touch.

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Originally posted by yam yam yam yam wrote:

Time must exist, otherwise how would geologists have been able to dig up the fossilised remains of all these creatures that existed on Earth countless millions of years ago?
Geologists use various techniques to date rocks and fossils (such as radiometric dating) and analyse them within their current context. This methodology does not require belief in the existence of time as an entity featuring past, present, and future, but rather focuses on what can be observed 'now.' Because those remains are part of our observable reality. Geologists can dig up fossilised remains because these fossils exist as tangible objects in the present moment. I mean, what we call 'time' is actually countless 'nows.'
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Originally posted by yam yam yam yam wrote:

Time must exist, otherwise how would geologists have been able to dig up the fossilised remains of all these creatures that existed on Earth countless millions of years ago? The Earth is estimated to be about four and a half billion years old, yet to the average human being 100 years probably seems like an eternity - even though in reality it's just a tiny drop in the ocean - and to a mayfly, a single day probably seems like one too. I would imagine that all creatures are 'programmed' to perceive time differently, depending on how long their average lifespan is, but what 'force' is actually behind all this, I have absolutely no idea.


Time perception as it's related to time itself does seem based on what one is doing or thinking, which is itself indicative of how time functions.

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Originally posted by Valdez Valdez wrote:

I wrote it all down in great detail once when I was high on pot about 40 years agoBig smile
Lol! I've never tried the stuff myself as a lifelong non-smoker, but I imagine the whole universe - never mind just time - takes on a whole new perspective when you're three sheets to the wind on the green goddess!
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^ Electricity is one of the most underappreciated energies, and may be responsible for much more than we think.
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Originally posted by yam yam yam yam wrote:

but what 'force' is actually behind all this, I have absolutely no idea.

Assuming Time is real (I think it is) Then the force just may be water, excited by energy produced by radiation and magnetism... Magnetosphere protects earth from the void and too much radiation, The right amount of Radiation that is magically allowed through powers (Charges) the Sea and salts like a battery from which all life emanates. The Core of the earth is like a dynamo. The Universe is electric. 

I'm wildly speculating. I wrote it all down in great detail once when I was high on pot about 40 years agoBig smile


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