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    Posted: November 13 2024 at 20:00
I always beware that word 'consistent'. Subtext 'no inspiration and the band is done'. Wink
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In answer to OP - I don't think this is their best work as it draws upon their best material from the late 70s/early 80s for inspiration, but among the legacy prog bands it is one of the best final albums, very strong and consistent, supreme way to say goodbye.
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Hold Your Fire is way too romantic too me lol

It's crazy because Power Windows is among my favourites, and they have some sort of similar "style", but while I love the production of PW, I do really hate how to drums sound in HYF. A lot of the melodies also don't stick in my head either. 

Honestly HYF to me is much more closer to Presto than PW, despite HYF still having lots of synths and very 80's drums.
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Originally posted by verslibre verslibre wrote:

Originally posted by Steve Wyzard Steve Wyzard wrote:

I'm still surprised at the contempt Hold Your Fire receives. It's like a longer, hazier version of Power Windows, and almost no one complains about that album.


There's nothing to complain about. Power Windows opens with a huge one-two punch and Side B is positively sublime. "Middletown Dreams" is enough to make a grown man weep.

Well, it kind of makes me weep because for a long time growing up I lived in a town (or nearby) called Middletown. So it's sentimental to me for that reason alone.
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Originally posted by Big Sky Big Sky wrote:

Originally posted by verslibre verslibre wrote:

There's nothing to complain about. Power Windows opens with a huge one-two punch and Side B is positively sublime. "Middletown Dreams" is enough to make a grown man weep.


I have always grouped Signals, Grace Under Pressure and Power Windows together.


Same, here. Some of the decade's finest rock, no debate.

Originally posted by Big Sky Big Sky wrote:


Hold Your Fire was nothing more than a New Wave, Pop-Rock album that could have been released by the band Til Tuesday.


Sorry, that's a bit unfair. "Open Secrets," "Turn the Page" and "Lock and Key" (not to mention "Force Ten") are way too "Rush" for a band like TT to concoct. But I understand the sentiment.

Still, HYF is practically A Farewell to Kings compared to Roll the Bones.
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Originally posted by verslibre verslibre wrote:

Originally posted by Steve Wyzard Steve Wyzard wrote:

I'm still surprised at the contempt Hold Your Fire receives. It's like a longer, hazier version of Power Windows, and almost no one complains about that album.


There's nothing to complain about. Power Windows opens with a huge one-two punch and Side B is positively sublime. "Middletown Dreams" is enough to make a grown man weep.


I have always grouped Signals, Grace Under Pressure and Power Windows together. A merger of Prog and New Wave that worked quite well with the stylistic direction Rush was taking. Hold Your Fire was nothing more than a New Wave, Pop-Rock album that could have been released by the band Til Tuesday.

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Originally posted by Steve Wyzard Steve Wyzard wrote:

I'm still surprised at the contempt Hold Your Fire receives. It's like a longer, hazier version of Power Windows, and almost no one complains about that album.


There's nothing to complain about. Power Windows opens with a huge one-two punch and Side B is positively sublime. "Middletown Dreams" is enough to make a grown man weep.
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Originally posted by Steve Wyzard Steve Wyzard wrote:

I'm still surprised at the contempt Hold Your Fire receives. It's like a longer, hazier version of Power Windows, and almost no one complains about that album. If Rush has an "Invisible Touch moment", it's Presto.

HYF is much less interesting than Power windows. 

Also Presto is more interesting and fun than Invisible Touch (to put it kindly). 
For me Presto was a return to form. I enjoy it more than HYF. 
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Originally posted by Big Sky Big Sky wrote:

 Outside Rush's first album, which I give them a pass as it's a band trying to find its footing, Hold Your Fire was the first album where I went "Oh No." Beginning with that album Rush became a hit and miss band with me. I was thinking is this Rush's Invisible Touch moment. Now, they did somewhat better than Genesis going forward, but they were no longer the band that could do no wrong.

Yes had that moment with Big Generator. With that release, they would be a hit and miss band going forward for me. I bought both Hold Your Fire and Big Generator within a month of each other. Both albums were released in September of 1987. To be let down by Yes and Rush within a month was quite disappointing.

I'm still surprised at the contempt Hold Your Fire receives. It's like a longer, hazier version of Power Windows, and almost no one complains about that album. If Rush has an "Invisible Touch moment", it's Presto.

I remember September 1987 very well when those albums were released. A Momentary Lapse of Reason also came out at the same time, and also disappointed a lot of listeners. 
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Originally posted by AFlowerKingCrimson AFlowerKingCrimson wrote:

Vapor Trails and Snakes and Arrows are my two least favorite. RTB I actually quite like and imo it's almost as good (or maybe even as good) as TFE and Presto. 


Outside Rush's first album, which I give them a pass as it's a band trying to find its footing, Hold Your Fire was the first album where I went "Oh No." Beginning with that album Rush became a hit and miss band with me. I was thinking is this Rush's Invisible Touch moment. Now, they did somewhat better than Genesis going forward, but they were no longer the band that could do no wrong.

Yes had that moment with Big Generator. With that release, they would be a hit and miss band going forward for me. I bought both Hold Your Fire and Big Generator within a month of each other. Both albums were released in September of 1987. To be let down by Yes and Rush within a month was quite disappointing.
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Originally posted by AFlowerKingCrimson AFlowerKingCrimson wrote:

Vapor Trails and Snakes and Arrows are my two least favorite.

that's quite interesting; I really thought I was about the only one who felt that way...

I'll be honest, I'd actually given up on Rush after those two and didn't actually try CA until it had been out for 2 years, when someone I met at work lent it me...
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Vapor Trails and Snakes and Arrows are my two least favorite. RTB I actually quite like and imo it's almost as good (or maybe even as good) as TFE and Presto. 
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Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:


Snakes and Arrows is less interesting than both Clockwork Angels and Roll the Bones IMO. Smile

Agreed completely..... my list of poorest Rush albums would start as follows:

1) Vapor Trails
2) Snakes & Arrows
3) Rush
4) Roll The Bones

and so on.... till we eventually reach Permanent Waves... Big smile
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Originally posted by Jeffro Jeffro wrote:

Originally posted by HarryT HarryT wrote:

I never thought much of Clockwork Angles but I think even less of Clockwork Angels. When I saw the band in 2013 and they devoted half the show to this album I almost walked out. By a good way, their worst ever effort. 


Oh please, it's light years better than Roll The Bones, just to name one.

Snakes and Arrows is less interesting than both Clockwork Angels and Roll the Bones IMO. Smile
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Love it, Rush last 3 efforts honestly are my favourites from them, each one with its own distinctivity. 
My only criticism is that they are loud as f**k, but the songs are fantastic and carry a lot of emotion, the song-writing and arrangements are very well elaborated.

I also love Signals, Power Windows and Counterparts albums as well. The rest, after the classic period, ranges from good to subpar though (Hold your fire).
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Originally posted by HarryT HarryT wrote:

I never thought much of Clockwork Angles but I think even less of Clockwork Angels. When I saw the band in 2013 and they devoted half the show to this album I almost walked out. By a good way, their worst ever effort. 
Pretty much all bands will create their setlist around the most recent album, so making it sound like you were surprised or disappointed carries no weight........Regardless if you like the album or not.
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Originally posted by HarryT HarryT wrote:

I never thought much of Clockwork Angles but I think even less of Clockwork Angels. When I saw the band in 2013 and they devoted half the show to this album I almost walked out. By a good way, their worst ever effort. 


Oh please, it's light years better than Roll The Bones, just to name one.
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I also prefer the late 70's and early 80's material but interestingly the album received 1226 rating votes and garnered 3.93 stars which is better than the previous 9 lps .
So apparently quite a few Rush fans liked it.

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I tried very hard to like this album, as so many had raved about it, but couldn’t get on with it at all….

Oh FFS, how do you delete a post when you realise you’ve already posted and said the same thing🤔😩🤣

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I never thought much of Clockwork Angles but I think even less of Clockwork Angels. When I saw the band in 2013 and they devoted half the show to this album I almost walked out. By a good way, their worst ever effort. 
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