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Poll Question: Which is your favourite album?
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    Posted: June 20 2024 at 10:40
^ Frank Zappa and the Mothers of Invention are coming up in 1966. Thumbs Up
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Originally posted by The Dark Elf The Dark Elf wrote:

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The issue is, none of this is "Jazz Fusion". Miles Davis at this point is playing "Modal Jazz", Mingus is playing "Post-Bop", Brubeck is into "West Coast Jazz", and Shorter is playing "Hard Bop". There is no such thing as "fusion" at this point. Not even vaguely.

It's like making a list of rock and roll albums from 1959 and saying Chuck Berry, Bill Hailey, Ricky Nelson and Elvis are prog.

"Jazz Fusion" as a definable genre doesn't come into existence until 1967 or later, when jazz players like Larry Coryell whipped out their guitars and amps and bring rock music into what previously was a wholly separate entity, jazz. Of fusion, Coryell noted of this next generation of jazz players, "We loved Miles but we also loved the Rolling Stones." Miles Davis himself was profoundly affected by Hendrix. Corea, McLaughlin, Hancock all come around in the late 60s.


Hi,

I have to agree here with this, as it ends up being a massive HISTORY of the story of JAZZ, and something that we are not capable of seeing and kinda put together with rock music with the hope/intent of creating a more inclusive and complete "history" of the art form, which would really help define what became known as "progressive music" later, and even later what became known as "progressive rock", a suggestion that a lot of the music was about the rock music more than it was about being "progressive" in my book. 

Nicely done and stated DE.

I would have added, I think, that folks in jazz taking on more rock elements were a natural event, since it was all over in radio, and selling like pancakes. I'm not sure that most classical/jazz musicians out there, would not have heard and seen any of it, and getting it added was just a matter of minutes, not even "time". The only sad thing of it all is how the classical music places have fallen by wayside, for rejecting the jazz and rock music from that time. The Portland version has been close to not making it due to finances. And when I talked to the conductor at the time, and suggested some Frank Zappa ... he went ... who is Frank Zappa? .... all I said is no ticket from me!


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Chet Baker. Eric Dolphy, Way out Wardell.   
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Dave Brubeck : Time out ( a lesson in unorthodox metrics)
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Cool! I will certainly be checking this one out now that you’ve brought it to my attention! : )

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Originally posted by SleepingFinger SleepingFinger wrote:

I have to go with Kind Of Blue as my personal favorite. Another 1959 release that I find interesting is Jack Kerouac & Steve Allen- Poetry For The Beat Generation. Beatnik poetry over jazz may not be for all tastes, but it’s certainly an interesting time capsule of that era. At least in my opinion. : )
On that note, I was thinking about Ken Nordine's excellent 1959-album NEXT. His spoken delivery is jazz in itself and the backing ensemble is a full jazz orchestra and different jazzband constallations 


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I have to go with Kind Of Blue as my personal favorite. Another 1959 release that I find interesting is Jack Kerouac & Steve Allen- Poetry For The Beat Generation. Beatnik poetry over jazz may not be for all tastes, but it’s certainly an interesting time capsule of that era. At least in my opinion. : )
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The '59 jazz album that gets the most play from me?

Jimmy Smith's "The Sermon"
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (1) Thanks(1)   Quote Mormegil Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 17 2024 at 05:20
Kind of Blue and Time Out.
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What a great year. Lots of indispensable classics. I was at the grand old age of -3 back then.
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Originally posted by BrufordFreak BrufordFreak wrote:

What?! No Bill Evans?!?! Everybody Digs Bill Evans!

Where would music be without Bill Evans?

I left out Bill Evans and Art Blakey because I didn't think anyone would vote for them. Big mistake! Ouch


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Originally posted by Grumpyprogfan Grumpyprogfan wrote:

For those who don't like the choices, quit complaining and make your own poll.
I complain as much I feel like about a 1959-"classic fusion" poll. PA is a music site and this is a forum for discussion. When I notice something I've have knowledge about that is presented in a wrong or nonsensical way - I will comment. It's just how I am. 

...But now I got nothing more to complain about, as PP changed the title to something that no longer hurts my eyes (and mind):)
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For those who don't like the choices, quit complaining and make your own poll.
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^ I'd take that Bill Evans album over a few others in this poll. But I think he got better - or rather released better albums in the early 1960's... 

...so I decided to put it on when I was typing this. It's pretty great and probably more memorable than I remembered:)
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (1) Thanks(1)   Quote BrufordFreak Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 16 2024 at 06:08
What?! No Bill Evans?!?! Everybody Digs Bill Evans!

Where would music be without Bill Evans?



Edited by BrufordFreak - June 16 2024 at 06:09
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (1) Thanks(1)   Quote Sean Trane Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 16 2024 at 03:47
one big absentStern Smile on this list (the only one that could be said that he was doing fusion in 59): Art Blakey and The  Jazz Messenger

his 1959 album called Moanin' is a reference in all jazz books, even if it's (hard) Bop 

One could add Gil Evans' Progressive Big Band (for whom Blakey was drumming at the time) but I don't think I have heard Gret Jazz Standards, his 1959 release


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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Psychedelic Paul Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 16 2024 at 03:23
Originally posted by Grumpyprogfan Grumpyprogfan wrote:

Originally posted by Psychedelic Paul Psychedelic Paul wrote:

Rest assured that when we finally reach the 1970's, ALL of the poll albums will be Jazz Fusion, although they won't necessarily be all American. Wink
Does that mean Allan Holdsworth will be in the polls?

FYI, Allan moved to the USA permanently in the 80's. The main reason was, not many in England liked his solo music. His solo material was much more popular in the States and he made a living from it, albeit barely.
No, not quite. It means both Santana the band and Carlos Santana solo will be included, even though he's Mexican by birth. Smile
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