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    Posted: July 26 2023 at 00:04
Originally posted by altered_beast altered_beast wrote:

Hackett is of the most compelling guitarist I have ever heard. I like how he switches between different guitars throughout a song and just how he can make any guitar sound. “Blood on the Rooftops” is one of his greatest accomplishments in Genesis. He was playing at a much higher level before he left and his first solo album is just astounding. His live shows are spectacular. David Gilmour can make your jaw drop when he plays a few chords but Steve Hackett makes your whole face drop and makes you land to the ground headfirst.

Howe is a great composer that blends in and makes his bandmates sound better much like how Wayne Shorter did with a saxophone. This is something I greatly respect and what really makes him different.
I also like how he switches guitars and his soloing which is much less present than most his peers. I feel like he gets overlooked by a lot of people.

Both guitarists have a lot in common with their styles but the sound they produce makes them sound very different. That’s why I pick Hackett. I enjoy listening to Hackett more. The way he sounds and what he puts out is mind blowing. I feel like I would be foolish to even think to rank a majority of great guitarists over Hackett. In fact it terrifies me and I might be embarrassed if I tried.

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Steve Hackett for sure, I quite like his albums.
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Hackett is of the most compelling guitarist I have ever heard. I like how he switches between different guitars throughout a song and just how he can make any guitar sound. “Blood on the Rooftops” is one of his greatest accomplishments in Genesis. He was playing at a much higher level before he left and his first solo album is just astounding. His live shows are spectacular. David Gilmour can make your jaw drop when he plays a few chords but Steve Hackett makes your whole face drop and makes you land to the ground headfirst.

Howe is a great composer that blends in and makes his bandmates sound better much like how Wayne Shorter did with a saxophone. This is something I greatly respect and what really makes him different.
I also like how he switches guitars and his soloing which is much less present than most his peers. I feel like he gets overlooked by a lot of people.

Both guitarists have a lot in common with their styles but the sound they produce makes them sound very different. That’s why I pick Hackett. I enjoy listening to Hackett more. The way he sounds and what he puts out is mind blowing. I feel like I would be foolish to even think to rank a majority of great guitarists over Hackett. In fact it terrifies me and I might be embarrassed if I tried.
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I don't know who is better, but my favourite is Howe. Love both though.
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Hey an Ian Crichton fan... and you like Abacab.

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Too hard to pick just one!

My 8 favorites, in alphabetical order:

1. Ian Crichton
2. Steve Hackett
3. Allan Holdsworth
4. Steve Howe
5. Alex Lifeson
6. Jimmy Page
7. Anthony Phillips
8. Trevor Rabin
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Hackett described advertised himself in early 70's: 'Imaginative guitarist/writer seeks involvement with receptive musicians determined to strive beyond existing, stagnant music forms.' It's a good description. BTW he didn't invent the tapping technique.

Howe's fiery improvisations are one of a kind...

I like them both.
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Obviously both are among the greats!

I would say that Howe has contributed more strongly to Yes music than Hackett did to Genesis music, although of course the comparison is not fair, Hackett's epoch with Genesis was much much shorter than Howe's with Yes.

On the other hand Hackett has produced better solo output. For some unclear reason (to me at least) Howe while being a key contributor to Yes, did not produce much of a consistent solo work, and while I must admit that I have not listened to all of both solo albums, some solo works by Howe are rather mediocre (his voice did not help when he attempted to sing his own solo pieces).

For what concerns purely their technical proficiency, they have different styles. None of them excels at very fast soloing but both have an extremely personal touch and feel (Howe a bit more IMHO), Howe is great at fingerpicking but overall I think Hackett is a bit technically superior. But technique is not the point for any of them, nowadays we see young guys (or ladies) with amazing technique, but the strong point of guitarists like Howe or Hackett is their inspiration, musicality, and ability to produce a very personal sound and feel.
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Hackett, by far!!!
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hI,

Both or none!

It is possible that SHowe has been more valuable for YES, in that he has the ability to extend things within the music. It's hard to say the same thing for SHackett, though it seems that a lot of the work is actually composed and then played ... whereas it is very likely that at the time of recording, what SHowe did was improvised, and then taken from the can to get it to the concert.

Both have been excellent at making sure they brought all of it together to the stage ... so choosing one or the other ... good gawd ... chocolate or vanilla? Or strawberry! This is music, not food ... and sometimes those thoughts and comparisons are silly. 

They are both great!



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In terms of influence on their particular band then Howe by several miles. The first classic YES album was much down to him and he became the main writer in the band guiding them on quite a journey through very varying albums such as TFTO, Drama and Relayer. He was more open minded in his approach and able to stand back when needed. Turn Of The Century is beautiful and what about And You and I. Hackett has nothing on Howe as a band player. In terms of solo career of course there is no comparison. Acolyte is classic era prog and easily a top 30 all time prog album. He has been remarkably consistent as well over recent years with a series of quality releases. At The Edge Of Light is my favourite but Surrender Of Silence, Out Of The Tunnels Mouth and Beyond The Shrouded Horizon are also great.
Probably neither can hold a candle to Fripp who is a remakable player and next to Hendrix stands as one of the great innovators of the instrument. IMO
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Both! Smile
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Originally posted by verslibre verslibre wrote:

Howckett

you mean GTR? LOL
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Very close but no contest. Hackett gets my vote.
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Originally posted by Hercules Hercules wrote:

Hackett is technically better than Howe, being an extremely accomplished classical guitar player and incorporating a wider range of techniques into his music.
I think both are better than Robert Fripp....

HERESY!!  

I've been playing guitar for close to 50 years now, and have met many of our heroes including Fripp and Howe.  
Very difficult to compare them as to "who is best?"  Consider: 

  • I'd say Bob Fripp is the most musically brilliant of them all....frustrated with conventional guitar tuning, he developed his own "New Standard Tuning" and launched Guitar Craft.  
  • Hackett is the most pleasing to my ears, he has a very smooth style and always seems to play the right notes!  (Fripp & Hackett corresponded frequently in the 1970s, and both used similar equipment & devices such as volume pedal).
  • Howe is an amazing guitarist, but I consider him to be less musically trained than the others.  His style is an aggressive mix of country/classical/rock, but he doesn't have the jazz licks of Fripp nor smooth style of Hackett. 
We are all very fortunate to live in a time where such musicians can play and flourish!  There is no "better," only "superb in their craft."   Peace, Charles 
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Necrotica Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 22 2023 at 18:03
Hackett for me. Both are incredibly accomplished guitarists, but Hackett's playing resonates with me more on an emotional level 
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