Hackett or Howe?
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Topic: Hackett or Howe?
Posted By: ProgFan9999
Subject: Hackett or Howe?
Date Posted: July 22 2023 at 15:24
I just love the groovy, experimental music or Hackett - voyeur of the accurate is so prognostic!!! But I just dig the jams of howe and YESs. Which do you think is best, whether the only guitarist better than Fripp or the writer of Star of Sirius.  |
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Posted By: ProgFan9999
Date Posted: July 22 2023 at 15:25
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Sorry, meant of not or and PROGTASTIC not prognostic |
Posted By: ProgFan9999
Date Posted: July 22 2023 at 15:26
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IIs thus "the bangles" forum? Sorry of not  |
Posted By: Sillip Phutton
Date Posted: July 22 2023 at 15:32
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ProgFan9999 wrote:Posted By: Atavachron
Date Posted: July 22 2023 at 15:40
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Hackett took more risks with his music, Howe was a more accomplished all-round guitar player. ------------- "Too often we enjoy the comfort of opinion without the discomfort of thought." -- John F. Kennedy |
Posted By: progaardvark
Date Posted: July 22 2023 at 15:41
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Hackett. This post still has its original packaging. ------------- ---------- i'm shopping for a new oil-cured sinus bag that's a happy bag of lettuce this car smells like cartilage nothing beats a good video about fractions |
Posted By: Atavachron
Date Posted: July 22 2023 at 15:42
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^ So does this thread. ------------- "Too often we enjoy the comfort of opinion without the discomfort of thought." -- John F. Kennedy |
Posted By: AFlowerKingCrimson
Date Posted: July 22 2023 at 16:24
Yes, voyage of the accurate is a very good album. 
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Posted By: Cristi
Date Posted: July 22 2023 at 16:29
Hackett |
Posted By: Hercules
Date Posted: July 22 2023 at 16:44
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Hackett is technically better than Howe, being an extremely accomplished classical guitar player and incorporating a wider range of techniques into his music. I think both are better than Robert Fripp, as are several other guitarists, but then I'm not a King Crimson anyway. The only guitarist I would rate higher than Hackett is Andy Latimer.
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Posted By: Stressed Cheese
Date Posted: July 22 2023 at 16:52
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I'm not very familiar with these guys' solo outputs, but Howe in Yes stands out much more than Hackett in Genesis, at least from the Genesis I've heard so far (mostly Cryme and Foxtrot). I find him more integral to the sound of the band he's in, and I like his playing/tone more. Also, how is this not a poll? This place is obsessed with polls.
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Posted By: Hrychu
Date Posted: July 22 2023 at 17:15
You need a minimum of 20-40 posts I think (I don't remember) to make a poll on PA. ------------- “On the day of my creation, I fell in love with education. And overcoming all frustration, a teacher I became.” — Ernest Vong |
Posted By: verslibre
Date Posted: July 22 2023 at 17:47
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Howckett ------------- https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_ipg=50&_sop=1&_rdc=1&_ssn=musicosm" rel="nofollow - eBay |
Posted By: Necrotica
Date Posted: July 22 2023 at 18:03
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Hackett for me. Both are incredibly accomplished guitarists, but Hackett's playing resonates with me more on an emotional level ------------- Take me down, to the underground Won't you take me down, to the underground Why oh why, there is no light And if I can't sleep, can you hold my life https://www.youtube.com/@CocoonMasterBrendan-wh3sd |
Posted By: cstack3
Date Posted: July 22 2023 at 19:43
HERESY!! I've been playing guitar for close to 50 years now, and have met many of our heroes including Fripp and Howe. Very difficult to compare them as to "who is best?" Consider:
We are all very fortunate to live in a time where such musicians can play and flourish! There is no "better," only "superb in their craft." Peace, Charles ------------- I am not a Robot, I'm a FREE MAN!! |
Posted By: Manuel
Date Posted: July 22 2023 at 20:36
| Very close but no contest. Hackett gets my vote. |
Posted By: Cristi
Date Posted: July 23 2023 at 01:03
you mean GTR?
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Posted By: Octopus II
Date Posted: July 23 2023 at 01:44
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Both!
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Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: July 23 2023 at 04:34
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In terms of influence on their particular band then Howe by several miles. The first classic YES album was much down to him and he became the main writer in the band guiding them on quite a journey through very varying albums such as TFTO, Drama and Relayer. He was more open minded in his approach and able to stand back when needed. Turn Of The Century is beautiful and what about And You and I. Hackett has nothing on Howe as a band player. In terms of solo career of course there is no comparison. Acolyte is classic era prog and easily a top 30 all time prog album. He has been remarkably consistent as well over recent years with a series of quality releases. At The Edge Of Light is my favourite but Surrender Of Silence, Out Of The Tunnels Mouth and Beyond The Shrouded Horizon are also great. Probably neither can hold a candle to Fripp who is a remakable player and next to Hendrix stands as one of the great innovators of the instrument. IMO
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Posted By: suitkees
Date Posted: July 23 2023 at 05:30
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GTR and I like The Bangles! ------------- The razamataz is a pain in the bum |
Posted By: moshkito
Date Posted: July 23 2023 at 06:40
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hI, Both or none! It is possible that SHowe has been more valuable for YES, in that he has the ability to extend things within the music. It's hard to say the same thing for SHackett, though it seems that a lot of the work is actually composed and then played ... whereas it is very likely that at the time of recording, what SHowe did was improvised, and then taken from the can to get it to the concert. Both have been excellent at making sure they brought all of it together to the stage ... so choosing one or the other ... good gawd ... chocolate or vanilla? Or strawberry! This is music, not food ... and sometimes those thoughts and comparisons are silly. They are both great! ------------- Music is not just for listening ... it is for LIVING ... you got to feel it to know what's it about! Not being told! www.pedrosena.com |
Posted By: essexboyinwales
Date Posted: July 23 2023 at 09:06
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Hackett, by far!!! ------------- Heaven is waiting but waiting is Hell |
Posted By: Mormegil
Date Posted: July 23 2023 at 13:45
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Mr. Hackett. ------------- Welcome to the middle of the film. |
Posted By: Gerinski
Date Posted: July 23 2023 at 14:11
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Obviously both are among the greats! I would say that Howe has contributed more strongly to Yes music than Hackett did to Genesis music, although of course the comparison is not fair, Hackett's epoch with Genesis was much much shorter than Howe's with Yes. On the other hand Hackett has produced better solo output. For some unclear reason (to me at least) Howe while being a key contributor to Yes, did not produce much of a consistent solo work, and while I must admit that I have not listened to all of both solo albums, some solo works by Howe are rather mediocre (his voice did not help when he attempted to sing his own solo pieces). For what concerns purely their technical proficiency, they have different styles. None of them excels at very fast soloing but both have an extremely personal touch and feel (Howe a bit more IMHO), Howe is great at fingerpicking but overall I think Hackett is a bit technically superior. But technique is not the point for any of them, nowadays we see young guys (or ladies) with amazing technique, but the strong point of guitarists like Howe or Hackett is their inspiration, musicality, and ability to produce a very personal sound and feel.
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Posted By: terramystic
Date Posted: July 24 2023 at 01:08
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Hackett described advertised himself in early 70's: 'Imaginative guitarist/writer seeks involvement with receptive musicians determined to strive beyond existing, stagnant music forms.' It's a good description. BTW he didn't invent the tapping technique. Howe's fiery improvisations are one of a kind... I like them both. |
Posted By: mellotronwave
Date Posted: July 24 2023 at 08:44
"We are all very fortunate to live in a time where such musicians can play and flourish! There is no "better," only "superb in their craft." Peace, Charles"
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Posted By: Steve Wyzard
Date Posted: July 24 2023 at 13:37
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Too hard to pick just one! My 8 favorites, in alphabetical order: 1. Ian Crichton 2. Steve Hackett 3. Allan Holdsworth 4. Steve Howe 5. Alex Lifeson 6. Jimmy Page 7. Anthony Phillips 8. Trevor Rabin
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Posted By: Atavachron
Date Posted: July 24 2023 at 13:40
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Hey an Ian Crichton fan... and you like Abacab. ------------- "Too often we enjoy the comfort of opinion without the discomfort of thought." -- John F. Kennedy |
Posted By: Dellinger
Date Posted: July 24 2023 at 17:30
| I don't know who is better, but my favourite is Howe. Love both though. |
Posted By: altered_beast
Date Posted: July 25 2023 at 17:50
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Hackett is of the most compelling guitarist I have ever heard. I like how he switches between different guitars throughout a song and just how he can make any guitar sound. “Blood on the Rooftops” is one of his greatest accomplishments in Genesis. He was playing at a much higher level before he left and his first solo album is just astounding. His live shows are spectacular. David Gilmour can make your jaw drop when he plays a few chords but Steve Hackett makes your whole face drop and makes you land to the ground headfirst. Howe is a great composer that blends in and makes his bandmates sound better much like how Wayne Shorter did with a saxophone. This is something I greatly respect and what really makes him different. I also like how he switches guitars and his soloing which is much less present than most his peers. I feel like he gets overlooked by a lot of people. Both guitarists have a lot in common with their styles but the sound they produce makes them sound very different. That’s why I pick Hackett. I enjoy listening to Hackett more. The way he sounds and what he puts out is mind blowing. I feel like I would be foolish to even think to rank a majority of great guitarists over Hackett. In fact it terrifies me and I might be embarrassed if I tried. |
Posted By: Error Code 864G
Date Posted: July 25 2023 at 22:55
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Steve Hackett for sure, I quite like his albums. ------------- A Human Being, Existing. |
Posted By: cstack3
Date Posted: July 26 2023 at 00:04
Very nice post, mate! ------------- I am not a Robot, I'm a FREE MAN!! |